>thinking the money, competition and viability of something is in the binaries and not the ideas and implementation in the code that all gets thrown out the window when everyone else can copy it freely
Charles Bennett
>supporting BSD >supporting another company can copy your code freely >supporting another company can relicense your code >being a cuck
Angel Sanchez
Well, alt-right technically supports big firms and that pleases the happy merchant.
Kayden Sanders
You can't sell your ego. Maybe you would.
Josiah Wood
...
Ryder Price
This is sad because I've seen some cases of this being true. I wonder how much alt-righters know.
Jackson Sullivan
Can you stop this shit? BSD is a free software too.
Gabriel Nguyen
Some asshole is shitting on GPL and he keeps shilling BSD on Sup Forums. Can you stop him?
Nathan Rodriguez
Beyond me. Maybe let him grow a brain.
Christian Butler
bump this
Jeremiah Flores
>use a license that says companies can use the code >WAAH THEY'RE STEALING MUH CODE
Kevin Diaz
>FreeVMS freevms.net/ >VMS from scratch Anyone tried this?
Jacob Nguyen
FreeDOS is by far the most used of those. Pretty comfy too.
Jaxson Fisher
reminder once linus dies that alphabet soup and other shitty people will destroy linux, he already can't keep up with auditing systemd
Jackson King
What does alphabet soup mean in this context?
Jason Perry
Give FreeVMS a chance, look all the work put in the project.
Elijah Sullivan
Plan 9 from Bell Labs is under the GPL now. FreeRTOS is GPL'd.
I don't see why you're focusing on GPL though. Why not copyleft and permissive licences in general?
William Russell
VMS is shit my dude.
Jason Morales
So Sup Forums is dead.
Kayden Rodriguez
Friendly reminder that Linux is the generic name given to a lot of full operating systems running the Linux kernel.
Sebastian Torres
>Sup Forums: piracy isn't stealing, the original is still intact, it's just copying >Someone copied my code that I released under a license that lets them do exactly that? THEY STEELAN MAH CODES
Never change, Sup Forums, never change.
Brandon Williams
Sometime I even begin to suspect that Sup Forums is not a single person.
Josiah Adams
If they had wanted to increase the chance of Plan9 to be actually used they should have BSD'ed it. Still small chance anyone would want to or been able to make commercial success with it.
Caleb Smith
It's not like Bell Labs lawyers know about any of this. According to Ritchie, all the programmers of Unix and Plan 9 wanted their source to be under a permissive licence from the start.
Chase Long
Right. I remember now. The lawyers changed the license a bunch of times. Amazing
Sebastian Stewart
But what about the legendary uptime? Granted, I see that presentation about hacking VMS machines, but that can change right?
Being a free and open source OS at just the right time, when BSD was stuck in legal difficulties and seemed utterly fucked, was key to Linux's success. Right place, right time.
It doesn't make a huge amount of difference either way, but I can see that permissive licences do yield a more vigorous habit of code reuse. A while ago the Plan 9 community were adding drivers to Plan 9 by porting over OpenBSD and FreeBSD drivers, and they weren't crippled by licence clashes with the weird Lucent Public Licence -- they couldn't have done that with Linux code.
Another example of this vigorous code sharing is the Go community (you can tell I'm a 9fag); nearly everyone shares their package under the MIT or BSD licences, so if you want to use someone's package you don't even need to think about licencing, you just go ahead and you copy over the copyright notice later, and it's all a very productive arrangement. There's very little code off-limits to you if you're surrounded by permissively licenced code, but if you're not using the GPL yourself, GPL'd code is as good as proprietary to you.
And credit to Linux for starting this revolution of code sharing.
Not many devs have i mind get their code used by other companies. This is why responsible programmers license their code as GPL.
Hunter Long
GPL is a virus
Michael Rogers
BSD is cuckery
Angel Harris
This The whole "BSD is real freedom" shit is just what (((they))) want us to believe.
Anthony Morgan
I never said anything about BSD, retard.
Eli Barnes
When you pirate you don't sell the copy, you fucking retard.
Owen Parker
>The whole "BSD is real freedom" shit is just what (((they))) want us to believe. This.
Sebastian Myers
no, (((they))) want you to work for free and write (((libre))) software. all free/open source software is a jewish plot to get highly valuable work for free.
Benjamin Butler
GNU is life. GNU is love. Linux is best kernel. BSD was a mistake.
Carter Walker
no, (((they))) want you to write (((cuck-licensed))) software so they can use it to build their botnet and achieve world domination, sending the world further into darkness and creating a global surveillance state.
Kevin Garcia
google, their parent holding company is alphabet, and they develop android, contributing significantly to the direction of linux in some ways.
without linus's direction, jewgle may well be the driving force in linux development.
Jacob Morris
>jewgle may well be the driving force in linux development I'm scared...
Angel Collins
I mean, that is if they don't drop android support for this experimental fuchsia. in that case, linux may be permitted to continue life as a hobbyist and developer's os.
that or we have to all switch to bsd or some shit.
Robert Robinson
>claims a highly developed OS as just hobby >to an obscure system Can you guess how I know you are just shilling BSD?
Nathan Cruz
not really, I think the bsds are very nicely structured, but they lack a userbase and development base powered by the fervor of muh gpl. it works though.
what I'm saying is that lots of people might defect elsewhere if google turns linux into another windows 10. of course linux (and to a lesser extent the bsds, too) will be used in server applications forever
Jaxson Howard
So?
Carson Brooks
You just described cuckolds
Asher Bailey
maybe "freedom" IS cuckoldry :^)
Lincoln Russell
You are all crazy
Brody King
You are mistaking impunity with freedom. Impunity is a form of freedom, it's too much freedom without the fear of consequences. But hey, you guys want to talk about s/w licenses when you don't have a clear understanding about freedom. That's why I used the cuckold analogy, because just like "free as in free beer" stupid analogy, you are not able to understand that freedom is not impunity. You don't know why you like it, you don't know if your wife likes more the stranger's cock than yours, you don't know if your role in the family is to just bring the money in, you don't know if you are a free ride pimp or a husband, but you are a cuck. Bsd is impunity. No respect for the developer, no respect for the public domain, you grab it and it's yours. Gpl enforces everybody to respect the developers and the public character of the codem it doesn't forbid you to have your local copy with whatever mods, but publishing the code does. Everything in moderation, ancient greeks said, so even freedom has its own restrictions to avoid becoming impunity.
Grayson Nguyen
Why isn't there a general for other OSes? Just saiyan.
Chase Bailey
>No respect for the developer, no respect for the public domain, you grab it and it's yours. You are projecting.
Joseph Carter
I like your take, always though impunity had something to do with the mindset from developers using the bsd but didn't thought of that word. It all makes sense if you think who gets the damage when is left out of the control of the developer.
Alexander Moore
What?
Henry Morgan
Of those, which is the most oriented to servers?
Blake Sullivan
This
Hey Goys! Please write firewall software with a BSD license so we here at Apple can steal it, pay nothing, and wrap our proprietary license around all the future features we add to it, locking out the original developers! >tfw this is exactly what happened to pf
I actually prefer BSD code and kernels because they're written much better than the piles of shit in the Linux sphere but it's not free as in freedom, and me spending any kind of time helping Apple or Microserf or Google build my own future prison seems like the ultimate cuckoldry. I had a funeral when sending my last svn commit to a BSD project, and moved to GuixSD, and will never go back. I enjoy writing scheme code now that will actually be used for freedom instead of some (((progressive))) corporation taking my work and wrapping their own license around it in the future or building walled prison devices they will try and enslave me with when all personal computers are outlawed in the year 2030.
GuixSD
Wyatt Anderson
So what will actually happen if Linus/Stallman both die? Will they have taken precautions for these situations to stop GNU/Linux from becoming a corporate shitshow?
Charles Ramirez
Plenty of successors imho, the community won't let anything happen.
Luke Wright
Not that guy, but the community has very little say in what happens with Linux, Intel and Microsoft basically run the show there. I can see GNU being safe though as it has huge community backing
Leo Thompson
Stallman has successors, FSF board includes Abelson of SICP fame and Don Knuth plus lot's of other FSF members.
Linux however is already run by a corporate shitshow, the board of directors for the 'Linux Foundation' is entirely Samsung, Oracle and other corporate plants. linuxfoundation.org/about/board-members/
Linus sits on the technical advisory panel, and he's the manager of mainline development so he just reads emails and commits all day. He has no say in the direction of Linux whatsoever and picks up a cheque. RMS on the other hand generally runs the FSF, and has final say in a lot of things like using Guile instead of Common Lisp, the direction of GCC, ect.
Michael Stewart
Linus doesn't have final say on Linux? Wow.
Bentley Williams
Nope, check the foundation site (btw a Microsoft exec now sits on the foundation too)
>The Linux Foundation Board of Directors is comprised of 22 senior leaders from across the IT industry. Board members represent Linux Foundation members and the Linux developer community and set the strategic direction for the organization.
>set the strategic direction
I'm sure Linus can go ballistic in the media and mailing lists if they do something crazy but he doesn't seem to give a shit for last 10 years just shows up and collects a check, can't blame him either