This piece of shit is crashing all the time. >new settings design that one's decent, the old one looked pretty childish with the shitload of icons but >randomly crashes when hitting the meta/windows/super key >wifi sometimes just won't connect or find any connections >the whole extension thing is becoming more and more of a shitload to deal with (install extension in firefox and an additional package to get the extension store to work - are you fucking shitting me?)
Problem is: I really fucking love Gnome as a general desktop environment, mostly for the super-key overview feature that no other desktop has implemented this comfy; also I mostly use GTK apps so a Qt DE will look like dog vomit cobbled together by thousands of teams that don't properly cooperate if I don't change all my apps
any alternative to gnome that doesn't suck balls and has a similar workflow? no, kevin, solus with budgie is not the answer just because it also uses the gnome stack
>similar workflow funny lad, I also don't have hours and hours to make this thing as usable and appealing as gnome with a simple theme
Matthew Sullivan
Just roll back to the stable version.
Connor Cox
Okay, just use KDE instead of being autistic. There isn't a good GNOME fork when GNOME isn't even good itself. If you wan't a featureless DE why even use a DE then?
Jason Clark
Gnome will only get worse if the current trend continues, I don't want to sit on an old version for the rest of my life.
Eli Lee
I never said I want a featureless DE, you're pulling this out of your ass. Thought about using KDE for a while, though, but it still seems kinda broken as well. Messed with 5.10 for a while, didn't seem stable to me.
Adrian Perry
Looks like a poor clone of ChromeOS.
Ayden Ward
Yeah I just tried to install it but was getting too many crashes.
Btw anyone know what's up with tray icons? What is used for them now? I think they fully removed GtkStatusIcon I don't know what library is being used now. I think Gnome still has tray icons.
Jaxon Roberts
Tray icons disappeared completely for me, even though I installed TopIcons. I remember there was an article about the Gnome Team removing them completely. Makes sense, Gnome just keeps removing features instead of progressing in a meaningful way, same thing with terminal transparency (I know there's a package and some distros come with the option, but come on, it's not available by default, e.g. on Arch).
Henry Ortiz
>GNOME isn't featureless Wat
Easton Cruz
nice meme, kid
Justin Martin
Nah you just wait out the bugs, gnome3 was a disaster when it came out.
Easton Collins
You can wait out bugs, but you can't wait out the ongoing oversimplification and feature removal.
Joseph Myers
>I remember there was an article about the Gnome Team removing them completely. Wow. you are right. Gone in 3.26:
This kills the gnome. I understand fedora because they are the same company but how can Debian default to a fucking playpen distro like this? Removes system tray icons because they're too complicated.
GtkStatusIcon is deprecated and Gnome has officially removed all trace of it from their DE. Only a matter of time before it is removed completely from GTK and distros like XFCE, LXDE, MATE also don't have any tray icons.
I guess libappindicator is going to be the new standard. I think KDE uses that but I couldn't find much info on it other than some docs:
>I don't like hearing truth so I'll call it a meme t. retard
Hunter Hughes
There was a good discussion about gnome 3 on reddit recently. It boiled down that once again features are being removed but the new thing is that it is being sold as something the users desire, see 'the three pillars of the gnome foundation'.
Christian Cruz
I guess you have to decide if you want to make Gnome™ apps or ""xfce"" apps ;)
Jonathan Taylor
>xfce sorry I've never heard of that and don't have any idea what this 'xfce' is
hope you choose gnome ;)
Kevin Rogers
Oh my fucking god, just as I this week installed Fedora Workstation (GNOME) in emergency and have been trying to get used to this. Back to Fedora KDE with me.
GNOME has been driving me nuts really fast anyways >forced folder opening on drag&drop operations in Files >no way to edit file menu >shell customizing in any way requires first installing tweak tool, then making custom theme in CSS without any template to start with for fucks sake what the SHIT are they thinking?? >every vanilla HTML button in Firefox is poorly GNOME themed for whatever reason >no compact view in Nautilus >no thumbnail view in Chrome uploading >need tweak tool to change font size which is fuckhueg by default >getting suspend button requires holding down alt, then clicking shut down >default window are so massive I've been practically forced to run IDE in full screen mode >application settings are all over the place, some in panel, some inside application >ffmpegthumbnails doesn't seem to work for some reason so no video thumbnails like its 1999 >open any file requiring root access in Nautilus, now every time you view recent list you are asked for password >no per app volume controls >the way everything jumps around on winkey press is making me feel like Tweek >I need to press winkey to do about anything >alt+tab is partial cure but it switches apps in all desktops goddamn
Jaxon Anderson
I'm kinda curious to see "good reddit discussion". Post it.
Connor Turner
>shell customizing in any way requires first installing tweak tool Alright guys just me or has the tweak tool had this bug FOR FUCKING YEARS where it does this retarded shit when unmaximized?
Jaxson Barnes
>no scroll bars what the fuck
Brandon Cox
>tfw can't even think about using gnome after reading that discussion Why do people support this crap?
Blake Adams
why use scroll bars when you can just increase the size of the window and move it around?
next release we are optimizing out the maximize, close, and minimize buttons. every window will have its own workspace for maximum focus and productivity. we are keeping the title bars though for aesthetic reasons and so we can put random buttons up there. hope you enjoy gnome ;)
Blake Walker
Pro tip sudo apt-get install xubuntu-destop compton arc-theme sudo add-apt-repository ppa:papirus/papirus sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install papirus-icon-theme
wow that was hard
Isaiah Robinson
i hate xfeces but this desu
Jayden Phillips
I've actually found the total opposite
3.26 is stable as fuck on Arch. never had a crash or problem with it ever. I just like the configurability of plasma better.
but plasma is the one that's crashing and being an unstable piece of shit. i can't even arrange my pinned icons without them rearranging back and then crashing
Wyatt Richardson
>I really fucking love Gnome we found the problem, love bu attachment, bro this is not a fucking whore that sucks your dick every day or a rich ugly bitch, just drop it. The only relation you will have is that of an abusive desktop manager that wont move an inch and when ever you want change in your relation she will laugh at you and spin on your selfies. Stop trying to fix others people mess and switch to the much superior KDE
Carter Thomas
??
Jace Johnson
>just me or has the tweak tool had this bug FOR FUCKING YEARS Just you or your distro.
Cooper Hall
This. Gnome is great on Arch and Fedora. I don't know what the rest of the distros are doing to screw things up so badly.
Liam Long
>plasma, in comparison i really want it to work better than gnome, but alas
Zachary Brooks
could you share that record-desktop alias? duno if im doing something wrong but my files are huge and if don't do it that way the cpu just cant handle it
Anyone else feel like there has been a mission of sabotage against Linux over the last five-or-so years?
Matthew Williams
I think the problem is that corporations have totally stopped using Linux on the desktop, so no money is going into DE development.
IBM, Sun, SGI, etc. used to fund all this shit in the 90s.
That's why the kernel continues to keep up: servers, android, chromeos, internet-of-things, etc. while the oss user software side has totally stagnated.
Liam Price
Should be *NIX on the desktop.
Zachary Hill
There's nothing inherently wrong with that though, all they need to do is stop fucking around and code within their means.
KDE3 and GNOME2 were functionally sound for what people want Linux to be, in terms of major draw.
it's not like these devs get money from the hardware sales that being "up to date" would require. Remember when the selling point of Linux was that you could use it on old computers and they'd get a new lease of life? Yeah, fuck that now, I guess. Windows 7 works better on this T60 than even MATE.
Joshua Gutierrez
>KDE3 and GNOME2 were functionally sound MATE still is totally sound. MATE and xfce are the only decent choices for full linux desktop.
Now if we could just leave them the way they are and fix all the bugs they would be a solid choice comparable to anything from microsoft or apple.
Evan Robinson
Another issue is the proliferation of DEs. In particular there's never been any reason to have both Gnome and KDE as full-featured desktop clients: the duplication of effort there is astounding.
Luke Wright
The problem is the attitude in a lot of programming these days (I blame start-up culture) where there's this idea that all software should be a "rolling beta". I know it's more fun to play around and do cool things, but it's not more fun for the user when the simple things they used to be able to do can no longer be done, or done as well.
This all comes again into the "let's do something new and cool!" culture. Not only that, but the more complex you make a piece of software the less able users are to make changes and commit improvements.
Reminds me of Stallman saying something like "We wanted a GNU desktop, GNOME was it, we didn't need another one."
Desktop environments aren't like other software. They shouldn't "do" anything by themselves, but rather should be the access point to the doing of something. Having a single DE doesn't go against community spirit any more than only a single framebuffer.
Kayden Mitchell
>the year of the gnu/lennicks desktop
John Wood
Yeah I really dont see the point in a new gnome. Look at apple they've been using the same desktop for what decades. They just make incremental improvements and update the icons and people still think it looks cool. Thats what gnome should have been. If gnome3 and mate devs would have put all their efforts into gnome2 it could be just as good as mac, except for the icons.
Robert Robinson
the old settings was so nice with its dynamically adjusted size, why did they change it?
Jeremiah Moore
>gnome >2017
End yourself
Nathan Butler
fuck you
Gabriel Gomez
Gnome 3 is the right direction. AFAIK the whole UI is defined in javascript or something like that, so it's easy to customize and extend.
Jaxon Reed
The worst part is that about 2005 or so it felt like Linux was growing up, but it's probably in a worse state that its ever been in in terms of raw base-level quality. Yes, great, we can play Stea, games now, but we have shitty desktops that consume more resources and do less than ever.
Leo Wright
>Gnome 3 is the right direction. >the whole UI is defined in javascript
Cooper Edwards
>wifi sometimes just won't connect or find any connections Thank fuck I'm not the only one. I thought this shit was hardware-specific. Looks like I'm getting either a macbook or a hackintoshable elitebook, I can't stand this shit anymore.
Noah Reyes
I was wondering if it was just something with my wi-fi. It'll just randomly drop everything and require a reboot.
Jacob Rivera
>linux is broken breaking news
Logan Bennett
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Matthew Gonzalez
GNOME is shit but it's the best shit we've got. It's the only DE whicj doesn't look amateurish or obsolete werks good on my machine (openSUSE Tumbleweed) Yep, no tray icons anymore. I'm still in shock. Got to keep torrent client on a seperate workspace now. Most of your points are either related to Fedora or ricing, or your personal preferences. There are some viable points too though. Huge titlebars and no previews in a file picker are fucking annoying. but Linux on the desktop is now better than ever. It's not completely useless anymore.
Ryan Ramirez
>Yep, no tray icons anymore. I'm still in shock. Got to keep torrent client on a seperate workspace now. gnome fags on suicide watch lol
Jonathan Wright
gnome/gtk is trash, abandon before its too late
Mason Hernandez
Yup. Red Hat wants every distro to be a Red Hat clone so that RHEL becomes the one true distro. I switched to gentoo to avoid the cancers of gnome, systemd, and pulseaudio.
Samuel Ortiz
Is this for real? Even fucking barebones shit like tint2 have tray/status icons.
Connor Torres
Works for me.
Logan Price
Yup. Welcome to Red Hats world.
Colton Wood
>my hacked together openbox+tint2 setup has more features than GNOME now what a time to be alive
