What was the point of Ryzen?
What was the point of Ryzen?
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to make intel 6 cores mainstream
Oh, you think higher resolutions are your ally?
tfw Poozen bottlenecks even today's graphics cards, let alone upcoming ones
Truly a long-term investment!
Why are all the Intel benchmarks posted recently GAMES? Why don't people want to escape the confines of the virtual world?
You really dont want to go there, m8
Sort of making the test invalid there...
2005 called, they want their resolution back
1080p is "high resolution"
To wreck CPUs that cost 2 to 4 times as much and force Intel to stop rebranding shit and come up with something new.
release i5 8400 chip that outperforms its highlight of the 8700k
fuck itself in the ass by fucking up its 7th Gen. and even the highest of its 8th Gen in gaymen
people cucking themselves to high priced MOBOs for a locked CPU
P.S: Covfefe Lake was supposed to compete with Ryzen+ but Intel was scared and released it with a half ass launch
Nice bait OP
making sure it's not gpu-bound, duh
people cucking themselves to high priced MOBOs for a locked CPU
this is the highlight of intel's new launch
a third new mobo design in three fucking years
overclocked Poozen still slower than stock Intel even at 4K
How does it manage to be so shit?
Making sure it's not GPU bound
Making the test invalid.
720P/Low or it's not a useful test at all.
Oh my sides
Are you retarded? There's a 200fps cap and the 8700K is hitting it even on ultra. Turning settings down wouldn't do a goddamn thing.
some settings impact both gpu and cpu, draw distance especially
plus it's a lot more definitive to just set everything to ultra and use a set resolution
b-b-but with x setting set to y, I edged out the other cpu by 1fps!
It's OK If I half-arse the test, because it gives me the results I want to see anyway!
Nvidia drivers are shit, you say?
thanks to AMD Intel now has to put 6 cores into mainstream processors
Exactly as planned.
I'm so happy even mid tier cpus can reach 30fps minimum nowadays. Back in 2001 the best processor and vidya card that you could (reasonably) buy couldn't make GTA3 reach 15 fps.
People really want to get angry at shit I guess
If it weren't for Ryzen, the 8700k would've just been a 7700k with a 100MHz clock bump, on a new socket.
You can thank AMD for finally forcing Intel to have more than just 4 cores.
Oh my sides
This kind of fanboying is the reason why we were stuck at four cores for the past decade.
CF were 6 core parts before ryzen. Intel just moved the release date.
intel had better cpus available but didn't want to release them for another 5 years because they cou;d still milk the market with small clock bumps
How is that an argument?
Yeah, it's totally my fault. If your rampant fanboyism didnt compel you to buy AMD when they were shit, all we would have is Intel now. Happy, fanboi?
Intel has actually had 6core Skylake parts (not Skylake-E) taped out but never put them into mass production.
Not sure if Kaby Lake also had a 6c part taped out, it wouldn't surprise me though.
I guess that'll be Ryzen's footnote in history. Thanks AMD, but you can go home now.
GPU limited CPU benchmarks
CPU limited GPU benchmarks
It's the AMD way!
Until Zen2 anyway.
Intel has no ace up their sleeve until 10nm++ (which is at least 2 years after 1st gen 10nm)
1st Gen 10nm will clock worse than 14nm+/14nm++ as per Intel's financial day.
10nm+ will clock as high 14nm++ but unlikely to go any higher.
10nm++ /should/ be good for 6ghz.
AMD has 5ghz Base clocks in late 1028/early 2019...
Even if we assume AMD doesn't have an IPC increases (they will, Zen is very immature) it's looking grim for Intel after Coffee Lake.
Hopefully this causes Intel to finally tell the Hafia team they aren't as hot shit as they thought and will hold internal competitions again.
PLANO WILL RISE AGAIN, FUCK YOU HAFIA.
Intel's financial day
I sthat when they showed off an ARM Cortex-A75 CPU cores implemented with industry standard design flows enabling performance in excess of 3 GHz?
What RAM is that 1800X running with, 2133 MHz?
Oh good, a faux-tripfag Intel shill. Get an actual trip so you can be filtered like the other vermin.
What was the point of cofveve lake if nobody can actually fucking buy it?
This is the state of Intel.
CPU limited GPU benchmarks
Actually AMD GPU's tend to perform better when the CPU isn't an issue. At higher resolutions the gap between Nvidia and AMD always closes, this is probably because of AMD's shitty drivers. 4k gives the Fury X and vega more room to stretch their legs.
Its called namefagging you gigantic noob.
I don't get it.
Some time after the 1700 came out many people saw that it was a couple of frames lower than the 7700k OC in 'gayms'.
Why is Ryzen now like BELOW i5 levels?
(Yes I know that this site is full misleading graphs and benchmarks but still).
maybe when the real world doesn't suck so much dick... but it does.
What was the point of Ryzen?
Its the same more cores shit they did with the FX series when they couldn't compete.
Release a beast of a processor that isn't actually as good but looks better on paper in specific benchmarks.
They do the same shit with radeon.
nah, amd had a fairly hard limit at around that fps, intel able to clock higher gets the performance nod there, but its at a resolution no one would play the game at on said hardware.
Then explain why Nvidia tends to scale linearly with resolution and AMD performs better at higher resolutions with more GPU-bound scenarios? Why does Nvidia run better with shitty CPU's than AMD?
Why does Nvidia run better with shitty CPU's than AMD?
Why does AMD run better with less RAM than Nvidia? Graphics drivers are an absolute clusterfuck and they're all shit.
The absolute state of Intel fanboys
because they pay game devs to optimize for their cards, its literally a known fact
Wait someone unironically benches BF1 in singleplayer WHILE using their shoddy DX12 implementation?
if only skylake/kabylake mobos were compatible with coffeelake cpus..
the point is its mobos are cheap as fuck for poorfags.
Intel have gone full 180 from the good days.
We used to get Overdrive CPUs, so we could have the latest processors on older platforms.
Now you have to buy a new platform to get the same processors!
Why do Intel users always play games at 720P? Did spending all the money on CPU end up leaving too little for an average monitor?
ya know once the gpus catch back up with cpu the intels will win over the ryzens
Except you don't know that. That would require stagnation in software without stagnation in hardware. Do you have evidence that there will be stagnation in software without a corresponding stagnation in hardware?
look how long developers have stuck with dx11. they aren't all going to do dx12 vulcan multithreaded games just to appease AMD
They will move to Vulkan once actually half-decent finished implementations will land in most major engines.
You seem to forget that DX11 is 8 years old.
I'm not talking about that you tech illiterate muppet. I'm telling you that unless you run your shit at low, DX11 isn't gonna save you. Even with future cards you will not be able to run 200 FPS + on modern games. Only old games. Even if the modern games are DX11. And MS is pushing DX12 hard with Xbox, so in the future you have little to look forward to beside Windows store exclusives and indie pixel shit that runs on potato.
go relieve yourself in the street pajeet you seem very stressed.
Should I wait for Volta?
It's bigger dies.
You.can buy 471mm^2 one from NVidia already.
Actually they don't 'pay' them either.
nVidia started this in ~00, They built out a massive space with hundreds of PCs, with all sorts of configurations, from every CPU and GPU vendor that was selling products at the time.
They made this space available to games developers to test their software against every conceivable configuration they wanted, without having to buy crazy amounts of hardware - for the low price of putting an nVidia logo in the game intro.
Over time, as nVidia started to grow, that evolved into nVidia paid developers actually helping out game developers with optimization of their software and other nVidia developers using that knowledge to make sure their drivers patched out anything that was an 'inefficient' use of resources.
Again all for the low cost of putting their logo on the game intro.
nVidia today, still doesn't pay a dime for any of this - they still provide those same services and still only require their logo be put places (although sometimes it's also on literature and art now too, not just the game intro)
What do you have now?
Betatest for Threadripper & Epyc.
You can't buy them anywhere.
You can buy the 4c/4t i3's in Australia
No 6c/*t i5/i7's though.
On a world without the Ryzen, the top Intel CPU would have 130 fps, but a better igpu.
that evolved into nVidia paid developers actually helping out game developers with optimization of their software and other nVidia developers using that knowledge to make sure their drivers patched out anything that was an 'inefficient' use of resources.
read as helping out devs to insert gameworks into the render path and add fucktons of tesselation on concrete barriers and invisible water rendered underneath level geometry
gaymers need to off themselves ffs
You can see it is always the same person who writes poozen.
I hope your pig fucking aids infested whore mother becomes paralyzed in a car crash you degenerate /v/ermin.
It was the king for 3 months. And it put a fire under Intels arse. The only reason you got the "6700K version 3 now featuring a bonus 2 cores, you can thank us later. It was our original idea to ad more cores." was because AMD finally got their act together.
Remember: most of Sup Forums and Sup Forums are poorfaghs running ancient i5 and i3 machines who only shitpost about high performance hardware they will never buy.
."w-w-when I buy that i7 i've been saying I will for years AMD w-w-will suck! Master race wins again!"
Funnily enough this is also why /v/ and Sup Forums do not discuss the HEDT parts because they are waaaaay out of budget and particularly now it is rather hard to justify Intel in that space.
in a way it reminds me of the late 90s/early 00s when intel and amd were frogleaping each other every few months.
to force Intel to stop selling Quad-cores for mid-range desktops.
And it succeeded, it took ages for Intel to properly respond.
Then Zen 2 is going to fuck them over again.
This is good for everyone.
this 720p meme needs to end.
ryzen winning at higher resolutions
8700k losing to itself because throttling on overclocks
what do you need 480p for?
Let me help you.
Fighting the good fight
"""""winning""""" by a margin-of-error 1fps in a GPU-bound scenario
The STATE of Rypoos.
Using video game benchmarks that have more to do with GPU bottlenecking than a CPU's performance.
240i is how REAL gamers play.
being a tech-illiterate retard
Good luck trying to explain why a Coffee Lake CPU can achieve an extra 70fps with the same graphics card if Poozen is "bottlenecked" by it.
what is margin of error
looking at gpu bound scenario's to determine cpu performance
Tech illiterate spotted
ryzen clocked lower than shittiest binned chip can clock
intel clocked like only golden sample can clock under water
So, this is power of intels' shills.
It's nitpicking and running Ryzen on 2133MHz RAM. 7700k is a great cpu and best for pure gayms excl. coffee lake but most of the shit you see on Sup Forums is biased one way or the other. I don't think most of Sup Forums even OC anything but just like to wank to 5GHz/delidded results. Also, price/performance seems to be a non-issue to Sup Forums and every intelfan is running x299 eight cores minimum.
I want an 8700k
t. Ryzen owner
those results don't count reeeeeeeeeee
it's Intels fault that Ryzen has dogshit clock speeds reeeeeeeeeeeeee!
t. Intel shill
You want a 7800K.
To shit on Intel in ever single workload aside from video games
Look at all these Ryzen owners trying to justify spending money on an inferior product by attacking Intel
muh wojaks with intel hats
It's the only things they are capable of responding because they cannot come up with a legitimate argument due to the AMD's inferiority being a concrete fact.
Intel shill posts with an anime picture he saved from /b/
Locked Haswell i5 here, can only dream of Ryzen 7
Dumb anime poster
intel has been paying comanpies for years to not optimize for multithreaded above 4c/8t
hence why amd is getting such low scores
these benchmarks make no sense. i get higher results than those with my 1800x on a non ti 1080. a regular plain ol' 1080 at 1080p. i even get higher than those results at 1440p. something is wrong with their benchmarks.
I'm still on an 3570k and it still blasts through everything I throw at it, I can barely even fathom how much faster a Ryzen 7 would be
No you don't
i'm and that was the first though i had. i'm running 3200mhz ram on my setup and i know ryzen LOVES faster ram. if they're running it on ddr4 2400 or lower of course the results are going to be awful. 2400 and lower LITERALLY bottlenecks ryzen in MOST applications.
yes i do. in battlefield 1 i can honestly say i get much higher results with my 1800x and evga 1080 ftw at 1080p than those results at 720p. 1440p i'll either get those 720p results or a bit higher than 720p, but lower than my 1080p when i'm fullscreen 1440p. either they fucked something up or there is a bottleneck holding it back. i do know for a FACT battlefield 1 with ryzen loves faster memory. if they're running it as stated then they are doing ryzen a huge injustice.
So post some proof then. Rypoo owners are always claiming magical results that are contrary to every benchmark online, yet never actually post any proof of their claims. I wonder why?
i7 4790 owner here
still works perfectly
from techspot during ryzens launc with ddr4 2600mhz memory which isn't as bottlenecking as 2400 and below. 2600nmhz is bare minimum.
for kickers thats with original release titan x pascal. so slower than the 1080 ti.
here's gamers nexus /g loves so much. 1080p, 2933MHz ddr4 on ryze, ddr4 3200mhz on skylake & kaby, and ddr3 2400mhz on haswell.
though they received lower results than techspot with everything but still clearly HIGHER than those 720p results.
Different version of the game, different settings and even those numbers put Rypoo below the 7600K.
Incidentally, those benchmarks you just posted, from TechSpot, were done by the exact same guy as the ones in the OP. I guess they can't be trusted!
I'm not sure what you think that proves, other than largely backing up the OP's numbers. The stock 1800X there is achieving 132fps average, versus 128fps average in the OP. And with much lower minimums than shown in the OP. The resolution is irrelevant, since it's clearly CPU bottlenecked even there.
And do you imply 142 isn't higher than 118?
woh, they managed to find a task so linear and dumb that even an amd processor can manage it. the intel winner doesn't worry about that, he's not into bitcoin mining, instead he brings the entire system together in concert, to deliver unto the user the artworks that are modern day AAA games. need to use the whole machine? every single component? need to squeeze every last bit of performance out of it? no probs. chadtel got you covered.
Should have seen what came before it.
Today we're checking out the most affordable six-core processor ever released, and this time it's not from AMD. With an MSRP of $182, the Core i5-8400 is even more affordable than the $215 Ryzen 5 1600, though it can't be overclocked and lacks HyperThreading, so there aren't 12 threads on tap as with the Ryzen chip.
Full disclaimer: we have tested the Core i5-8400 on a Z370 motherboard using DDR4-3200 memory but it's very likely that when paired with a B360 board next year you will be limited to DDR4-2666 or 2400 memory speeds, so keep that in mind.
Or just get 6/12 cores Ryzen 1600 and cheap motherboard with upgrade path in the future and no limitations on RAM and OC. Hmm, really makes me think!
worse than 1500X
Nobody cares. Ryzen won some Intel proccesors, so Intel sucks.
Why would overclocking be a plus when Ryzen falls way behind the 8400 even when overclocked? Why would increased power draw for less performance be a positive in your mind?
As for RAM speed, it doesn't matter at all for Intel systems. Only Ryzen's CCX glue tanks when paired with slower RAM. TPU posted an article about this just yesterday.
Who cares about Bottlefield?
As for RAM speed, it doesn't matter at all for Intel systems
Then why fast RAM is locked to their top tier chipset?
So that retards will be tempted to pay the extra for it in order to use faster RAM, because bigger numbers are better!
also who the fuck plays at <1440p?
nah wait for MCM
play at 720p or 1080p
guyze how do I benchmark CPU guyze hurr
Ah, the fresh smell of damage control in the morning.
Creating GPU bottlenecks to mask Poozen's performance is the only way that AMD shills can compete any more. Sad!
Intel's lead in 720p gaymen benchmarks right now means it more futureproof!
AMD's superior core/threads count TOTALLY NOT futureproof!
Inb4 "games will never need more than 6 threads!" Just yesterday Intel fanboys told us that games don't need more thank 4 threads. Standards change fast, KEK.
TPU posted an article about this just yesterday.
Can't find it. Link?
All those Intel benchmarks with MCE overclocking turned on.
and a WHOLE 10 FPS gain on a game the 8700K favors.
MCE doesn't even affect the 8400, you dumb fuck.
just plain better
The state of AMD shills.
It was meant to scare Intel so that they finally would begin researching for better performance.
Ryzen sucking intel's dick in 1080p just shows how much worse it is for gayming. Of course the results are close in 4k, but when new generations of gpus come out and the cpus become less bottlenecked at 2k and 4k, we will see the same trend with ryzen lacking way behind.
2 gpu generation from now, we will see the same thing between ryzen and modern intel generations, as we see now in 720p and 1080p.
The whole argument of ryzen being futureproof is bullshit. Intel is much more futureproof option for gaming, as it doens't bottleneck even the strongest gpus.
What was the point of Ryzen?
Giving /r/AMD something to suck.
SMT is a thing. Civ6 is undoubtedly poorly optimized and has shit performance, but it scales pretty good with extra threads. Unlike HT which provides very little extra performance and the only noticeable effect is enabling you to store multiple contexts to switch faster between threads (it helps with poorly implemented muh multicore utilizing games with shitton of threads not doing anything useful but sinking down dualcore cpus) amd's SMT actually provides decent extra performance, up to 30%.
Why doesn't this board understand how bottlenecking works?
watch all those Intel benchmarks with golden sample chips, 300$ motherboards and liquid cooling
expect 100% performance
get 85% performance with your poorfag (still need to pay premium over the Ryzen ones) motherboard and average cooler
Damn, even in the best case scenario in games Intel's lead is only 10% so we can expect the consumer i5 8400 to be on par with Ryzen 1600.
he thinks this is a small difference when looking at cpu's
We are not comparing gpu's here
Mind you thats 10% in games at low resolution and in a system with premium components which normal consumers aiming at i5 8400 are very unlikely to build! Ryzen 1600 still has 6 more threads, can easily overclock and requires only 70$ motherboard to perform at its full potential.
Yes we get that Ryzen has the better performance/dollar value.
That doesn't change the fact that for the best, you still need to be with Intel
i dont know how anyone who actually did research can think ryzen is a bad buy
the 1600x is insane
What was the point of Ryzen?
Anything that is not a video game
Anything that is not a video game
Most of that is explained by higher memory bandwidth. AMD cards tend to have a higher memory bandwidth than nvidia cards from the similar performance range. Vega 64 - 480 MB/s vs 1080 - 320/352 MB/s, RX 580 - 256 MB/s vs 1060 - 192/216 MB/s.
If you check how cards of similar memory bandwidth scale by resolution, you'll find that the scaling is pretty similar.
tfw 2400 speed ram
I've cucked myself by not buying 3200 haven't I
stock higher than oc
Sure thing it's (((stock)))
Everything is back to as it was. Amd is best price/perf. The go to when you are poor. Intel is simply best cpus. If you can afford intel, you should go intel 999/1000 times.
What a joke 6c/12t intel matches 8c/16t ryzen in multithreaded performance.
Yes and by buying Poozen.
what is margin of error
How do we solve the /v/ problem?
More cores, not higher clock speeds.
AHAHAHA my R5 1600 is fine. Probably will get even better now since games will be optimized to 6+ cores thanks to Intel.
Ryzen is a great first step but it's necked by one thing, and that is it's poor clockspeeds.
I expect Ryzen refresh and Ryzen 2 to fix this issue.
Just imagine the 1600x but with a clock of 4.4-4.5 ghz for the low price they are asking right now, it would be awesome.
Untill that time I'll stick to my 6700k at 4.5 ghz
Civ6 is undoubtedly poorly optimized and has shit performance
But it overclocks to 4 GHz at 2.7V!
not happening stop parroting this meme, we are going straight to 7nm ryzen 7 summer next year
being this mad that the 1600 is still the budget king
Oh really, time to inform yourself dumbass
he thinks people are mad about his Haswell tier CPU
pinnicle ridge is 7nm ryzen 2 you fucking nigger
Just OC it.
only (you) it seems sweetie
And we are supposed to take your word for it?
Budget is the key word.
In case of intel you don't have to add hobo before king.
pinnicle ridge is zen 2 and will be coming q2/q3 2018
Sorry im not adding the housefire before king
tries to discredit a persons source
by talking random bullshit without providing any source yourself
my source is amd's roadmap you faggot
Lets see it, and don't show me outdated shit from a year ago
Thinly veiled pickle rick meme.
This is simply incorrect. Pinnacle Ridge/Zen+ is early next year, maybe 12nm, and Zen2 is early 2019.
What problem? It's a fact that Ryzen isn't furtureproof for gaming because of the low clockspeed. Sure, 4k is a bottleneck now but it won't be when Volta and Navi are out. The 1080p results today are what the 1440p and 4k results will look like tomorrow. Ryzen's biggest advantage is that you can upgrade to a better verion of Zen when it comes out though, if AMD can make a 5GHz CPU then that will be just fine at gaming,
He unironically would buy a 1080Ti and expensive overclock motherboard to play games using a 8400.
It was better then Intel, that time.
t. too dumb to read a roadmap
if you are talking about this, its already confirmed to be fake, raven ridge is the only cpu coming out on 12 nm
In 1080p games with heavy single thread use.
Then post your own source you retard.
OK OP. YOU GOT ME. in 720p intel wins. fine i surrender.
i wonder how it performs in 1440p?
I will legit eat a hat if amd actually puts out a 5ghz Zen chip within a year
zen 2 is codenamed Matisse, Pinnacle Ridge is Summit Ridge refresh.
Was going to post this but was too late
But we are comparing on games which....guess what? Use GPU's. Checkmate.
So how exactly is that slide countering the claim that Pinnacle ridge is a zen refresh? And where does it say anything about 7nm in 2018?
Did you even look at it before you posted it?
cheap, decent, non-jewish 6/12 alternative
The same gpu's yes, checkmate
Can't you even read your own slide, you moron?
All those *stock* 8700K's on MCE
Intel shills and their games. Go back to /v/
Intel shills should falseflag for AMD, cause only if AMD succeed prices drop and quality goes higher.
autists and their 'productivity', back to /a/
Without Ryzen Intel would have released Coffeelake the second quarter of next year with a price tag above $400 for 6 cores.
n-new releases will be optimized for poozen!
Look at all thse Intel owners trying to justify spending money on an inferior 6700K only a few months ago.
Wait for Wolfenstein
the 6700k still beats the shit out of anything in the Ryzen line up when it comes to gaming
Look at all these Intel shills trying to justify spending money on yet another vastly overpriced Skylake iteration by posting fake bullshit benchmarks carefully forged by other Intel shills
muh here is moar bullshit benchmarks
muh wojaks with AMD caps
It's the only things they are capable of responding because they cannot come up with a legitimate argument due to Intel's anti-consumer practices being an objective fact.
those benchmarks are faaaaaaaaaaakke they don't count reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
It appears more recent CPUs can win in some scenarios. What a surprise.
I am retarded and ignorant of Intel's history as a company but will still post
Implying Intel's vast history of shitting on it's customers and competition is a meme
It's time to go back to /v/
What was the point of shilling?
I haven't used a 1080p panel in over 7 years. More and more people are going 1440p+
/v/ shitposting all over Sup Forums and judging technology solely by how fast proprietary video games work with it.
shifting the goalpost from talking about performance to company history
what are your temps with that clock speed?
No arguments left, kek
55c while encoding 4k video and using OBS
As opposed to Sup Forums who uses 10 years old Thinkpads and the most CPU-intensive thing anyone does here is transcode anime or use SVP?
Yes because Intel chips totally don't melt start fires or thermal throttle and totally will age well running at 70 c or greater average Temps for their lifetimes.
Fucking retarded nobody wants to pay two thousand fucking dollars or even one thousand fucking dollars for something you have to delid or it doesn't work even at factory settings.
Fuck off Intel.
jesus fuck, i5 has double the points of ryzen 1700.. amd utterly blown the fuck out
You can see that 1800x is not even sweating with your broken benchmarks.
I feel like Intel unleashed real paid shills on Sup Forums, not meme ones.
There is literally zero difference that 70 degrees will impact the lifespan of a modern cpu in a significant way. These chips are build to withstand even higher temperatures.
Why would you discard your old 1080p panel if you can use multiple panels?
I'll replace my main [email protected] with some freesync 1440p panel as soon as AMD will come up with decent GPU, but until then my 1080p panel will live.
I feel like Intel unleashed real paid shills on Sup Forums, not meme ones.
one thousand dollars
$300 cpu that beats 8 core ryzen in multithread with just 6 cores. Also offers 70% more fps in gayming. And works with any ram.
You seem mad. Already having regrets about going poozen, Rajesh?
I bought a 34" 1080p ultrawide with freesync(75hz) for $250 from ebay. I use it for games that support ultrawide and movies.
nah it's just Brian shitposting here
Destroys Everything Within A 15 Mile Radius
What did he mean by this?
Thats actually the only thing ryzen is good for - reduxing price of obj superior intel products
not bad for that monitor
Learn proper English before shilling here, Ranjeet.
Oh, sorry, Rajesh, I forgot english was an official language in your shithole. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings.
scales pretty good with extra threads
It's poorly optimized, goyim.
It has good multithread, thus it doens't run good on dual cores.
It doesn't offer anything justifying such hardware requirements
Best meme ever
I am a fucking Intel owner you asshat I just don't own the previous generation or the new coffee lake/i9 bullshit crap.
And I never will at this rate. You people are outright lying about this shit.
Go back to your bosses and fucking insist that they switch back to soldered die instead of this mayonnaise garbage and I will buy Intel again. Until then fuck off.
An algorithm broken down to pieces, e.g. threads, is better manageable by h/w.
When you have a crap weak cpu with tiny cache, everything that is not written for it will be crap.
One of the weak spots of intel cpus is the small cache on cheap cpus.
Guess, you will have to settle with inferior products cause of your autism. Anyway, thanks for reducing intel prices, so the rest of us can buy superior cpus at a lower price.
where do you store all of your old mobo you buy every year?
Here's my Ryzen Plan Sup Forums:
-Not cheap out with an AM4 MOBO and get a X370 Asrock or maybe Gigabyte
-Buy a 1600 when it will go on sale soon (evident from the MicroCenter $170 deal) due to Covfefe Lake I believe, get it for that price.
-If Zen 2 seems viable, sell the 1600 and get it for increased performance and 7nm.
sounds fine, user.
I went intel instead of bulldozer, I didn't have to update my cpu every other year. Pretty sure I won't need to update my 8700k for at least 4 years, unlike people memed into ryzen, who will be forced to swap several cpus in hopes of matching 8700k performance in years to come.
Just like this dude
I'm this guy
Before I had ryzen I had a 8320 which was good for encoding video, but the 1700 is better of course. I didn't upgrade for 5 whole years because it severed its propose. I'm plan on keeping it until ryzen 2 refresh.
beats 8 core ryzen in multithread with just 6 cores
In x264 encoding? That's what I need my cores for.
If I buy the most expensive CPU, I won't need to spend less and upgrade every few years!
Stop replying to shitposters
frigg off Randy.
whats your style?
Not sure if troll or stupid intel shill.
lower is better
waste of trips
I had an 8350 before my 1700, served me well
Rajesh, I understand that is your monthly pay but try not to project on others. Not everybody is eager to sacrifice 50% of performance and go with cpu that bottlenecks even 1070 just to save 50 bucks or so.
Though we can't even compare 8700k with 1600, even though it is 6c/12t, because it happens to offer 50% more single thread and the same multithread performance of a 8core 1800x
Intel’s Core i5-8400: the new go-to gaming CPU
But, for us gamers, it’s all about the Core i5 8400. It's an incredibly good value chip delivering unprecedented gaming performance for the money.
That makes the Core i5-8400 the best overall processor in the mainstream market.
For now, one thing's for sure: the Core i5-8400 puts Ryzen in an awkward position when it comes to gaming and perhaps even the new Core i7 range for that matter.
Poozen shills eternally BTFO and on suicide watch!
That implies the exact opposite. It says that the GPU is being limited by the CPU at both resolutions, hence you don't get any performance boost at all by dropping to 720p with Poozen.
I, for one, am enjoying my new superior gaming CPU.
Friendly reminder to not reply to shitposters!
If it does shit that can be done in 4 threads but requires 8 heavier threads for that it's crap. Civ6 has good scalability but poor performance. Example of good scalability and good performance would be factorio. It runs fine on dual core cpus but even better if you offer more cores. Example of good performance but poor scalability (more like nonexistent scalability) would be overwatch or some other wide audience moba/shooter crap. Assassin creed would be poor performance with poor scalability.
If it loads all available cores it doesn't mean it's well optimized.
Bf1 dx12 has been terrible from the beginning.
To lose to intel
Are you running to stock cooler too? I was running gta 5 last night and it did okay (72c max), thinking about getting an aftermarket cooler
BF1 is horribly optimized in genral, the game itself is much more demanding than it should be. You're right of course that DX12 is still broken. Patches have actually made performance worse, quad cores were fine during the beta but stuttering started occurring after the final release and subsequent patches. When people say that BF1 stutters on i5's, yes that's true, but it's completely Dice's fault since the game USED to be much better optimized and they fucked it up badly.
yeah, mine keeps thermal throttling. This thing does worse than my 7700k. Guess I might have to delid.
Yup. I've never really cared about my temps though. My old 5830 used to idle at 65C, for example.
Yours acually throttled? How hot did it get?
I don't know what the fuck they were doing with BF1, but I actually get significantly WORSE performance using DX12.
Why are you pretending to be me?
My problem is you never know if coolers will fit and they always end up blocking something and i pisses me off. They need to standardize the sizes and capatability better
people complain for obvious reasons
people complain that it's an old rez despite being the most mainstream
4k people complain because you can't bench a CPU properly
I'm still using a 1280x1024 monitor and wonder why people don't look at the benchmarks that match their needs
Same multithreaded performance as the 1800X.
Good goy. Overclocked benchmarks on golden chips are truly the correct measure of a cpus performance.
making excuses for a 6 core CPU performing better at multithreaded than a 8 core CPOO
The absolute state of pajeets
why people don't look at the benchmarks that match their needs
We do. Most people use 1080p. Then there are those 1.98% of retards with 2k and 4k that always shitpost with their 4k gpu bottlenecked benchmarks, to bend information in the direction they want.
Funniest thing is - most of those 4k bench posters use 1080p themselves, as they are too poor to afford good cpu, let alone gpu and the monitor
I always look for benchmarks of what i want to do, sadly most benchmarks out there are for AAA games and a few video editors. I would love to see indepth benchmarking of current CPUs compiling clang, gcc, single threaded vs multi, GHC, etc.
Dx11 plays pretty good on my ol' fx8320, the game could be better optimized I'm sure but its better than most.
Dx12 has always been a stuttery mess for me, I tried it on an equivalent Intel system and its just as bad
You got phoronix and servethehome
To save the world from Intel's overpriced stutterfire garbage. Enjoy paying $200 for a coffin lake motherboard.
Good job exposing yourself shill, now I'm going to do what the other user said and stop replying. Have fun.
Im not poor enough to have needed to wait months to save 40 dollars and get a lower quality mobo.
That's because Intel processors have zero value.
Ryzen has negative value huehhuehheuehheueuehehhehehehehheheheh look im shitposting too now
stating facts is shitposting
That Z370 board is cheaper than some B350 ones. Enjoy your $60 ASRock piece of trash and the loud bang when its VRMs give up a few months from now.
1600, the one and only
These are the same people saying its fine to oc a 1600 on a b motherboard. Enjoy your fried mobo after a year or 2
Ur just acting full retard now with you anecdotal (((arguments))). Enjoy paying premium for less features.
Features don't matter!
You know coffeelake is doing well when damage control is this high. Some shills have gone so far as to claim the 8400 wont even turbo on b and h cpus because jayz2cents used mce on the 8700k????
Money don't matter!
Now let's talk honest. We all know that intel offers better performance. But does amd have anything going for itself besides a lower price?
who cares? enjoy paying another thousand dollars for more than four PCIE lanes.
getting 100% of the performance for 50% price compared to Intel seems like a pretty good deal to me.
I've been saying ever since Ryzen launched that people overclocking non-X CPU's to their absolute limit on B350 boards are retarded. People are being misleading when they say the only difference between B350 and X370 is SLI/Crossfire support.
You get to support the """""good guys""""" and not evil Intel.
loud bang when its VRMs give up a few months from now.
stop this meme
show me an instance where this has even happened
Shills gonna shills. They never mention to people building a pc for non-gaming that they need to buy a gpu to have a display either.
da evil jooooos!!!!!
People are being misleading when they say the only difference between B350 and X370 is SLI/Crossfire support
And more lanes
Ryzen offers 4 more PCI-e lanes from the CPU so you can use an NVM-e at full speed. Coffee Lake Z370 has a bunch of chipset lanes but only 16 CPU lanes.
Some of the higher end B350 boards like the Strix and Pro Carbon have decent enough VRM setups for overclocking, but the cheaper ones are all garbage. It'd be fascinating to stick a thermal probe on some of them.
Why you keep replying to yourself?
The VRMs are good on some boards. Anyways, overclocking a 1700 or 1600 to 3.7 won't do any harm. the boards are made to survive a 3.7 1800x.
that's not a B350
that's not AM4
that's not a Ryzen CPU
Oh yeah, 3.7 on stock cooler is fine, it just seems like some people are expecting to get 4GHz on a 1600 on B350. Not going to happen without a very good cooler and sonme kind of active cooling on your VRM's. (A small ziptied CPU heatsink fan usually works.)
Tomahawk is more than fine for overclocking
What has that got to do with anything? Do you think B350 boards use magic MOSFETs or something?
AMD should have put 32 PCI-e lanes from the CPU on X370 so they could advertise full speed SLI/Crossfire, something that you've always had to pay out the ass for. With Threadripper having 64 lanes 32 on the consumer platform would make sense. Hopefully AMD adds some more for Zen2.
let's talk honest.
More like lets shitpost more
no, I was asking that user to show me an instance where B350s have ever even exploded on anyone
B350s are the mid-range for Zen1, not bottom-barrel trash
Agree. But it needs a lucky sample of the CPu too. From my experience anyways.
Low end B350 boards are close to as bottom of the barrel trash as it gets. Do you seriously think you're getting high quality components on a $60 motherboard? You do whatever you like, but don't say you weren't warned.
BUT MUH 40 DOLLARS OY VAY
Without ryzen, we;d be paying $2000 bucks for a 4 core well into the year 2020. We have ryzen to bring the price down for 18 core CPU's.
ahhh the eternal Intel fanboy.
i am glad stupid people buy ryzen and drive down prices for smart intel owners
The Intel 8 series is the last ditch attempt by Intel at milking its ancient bingbus architecture. It knows the writing is on the wall from here on in. It has to evolve. 10nm has already been speculated as being slower initially. Intel have stated this themselves. They will have to concentrate on more cores and new architectures in the coming years. It's a given fact untill other manufacturing methods or quauntum compute takes a leap.
Sucks being a poorfag intel fanboy
If you support Intel, either you are a really guilty German who's great grandpa personally skullfucked 100 jewish corpses, a retard or a paid shill from India/Philippines. Plain and simple.
MOST DX12 titles are just fucking DX11 in a DX12 wrapper. If you look at a game built from the ground up in DX12 like Forza 7 you will see just how good it cane be. Developers tag on DX12 as an afterthought in most games and it shows.
Thanks for the chuckle