Why isn't your country buying this?

Why isn't your country buying this?

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>F-35

Why should we ?
Just let the US waste money protecting europe while we enjoy the neet life.

Because we bought this.

Also F-35 has too much problems and too expensive to Maintain.

Aren't they actually inferior to those f-16s because they are so overpriced and heavy?
Does anyone knows more about that stuff?

Because there really is no need for a top tier airforce today as most wars are against sandcunts

The Gripen E is $100 million per plane, which is higher than the FRP cost of an F-35A.

>waste money protecting europe

It's designed to be more of an attacking plane because it is a fighter-bomber. It's for the more... uh.. pro-active nations

>Aren't they actually inferior to those f-16s because they are so overpriced and heavy?
Nope, it's not inferior to the F-16 in the slightest

>Does anyone knows more about that stuff?
A little. Enough to know that's completely wrong

Damn brazil the gripen looks good with your camo.

Because we'll get more value from our money with Gripen.

They're superior to the F-16 in almost every way. A little less agile than the older block F-16s (the ones without conformal tanks and drag chutes. Although, once you start putting external fuel tanks and heavier weapons even on the older, slimmer F-16s, the agility gap falls to basically nothing.

5th-gen Gripen when?

It's not about how much is it, but how much it costs to operate. Plus we bought the tech, if you think that way it went quite cheap.

Thanks, the Air-Force displayed the Gripen in a mall a few weeks ago with a digital Camo. I think that's the swedish camo or just SAAB's.

Waiting for a Steam sale.

This is already overkill to protect us from the 1 in a 100 scenarion in which Guatemala or Honduras threaten our air space...

That's a F-35 with the Gripen's wings tho.

Please buy our Rafale svp

non!!!

No. Wanna buy the Mirages back?

careful, Juan, Honduras also has like 10 F-5s, almost as many as you.

I'm not entirely sure what differentiates 5th gen from 4.5th gen or why it matters. Is it just the reduced radar signature?

It can't afford it.

You are truly blessed to live nowhere near Russia.

Are you joining NATO soon bros?

its unaffordable also overrated

Neither NATO nor the EU will accept states with ongoing territorial disputes. It's why Russia chose to fuck them up.

>Neither NATO nor the EU will accept states with ongoing territorial disputes.

Bosnia and Serbia are pretty close to membership though, from what I've read

>its unaffordable also overrated

Underrated imo

Basically, yes. But that includes requiring internal weapons bays.

more like putin fuck himself

> says the country that made the F-2

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Putin fucked the Russian people not himself.

His grip on power is secure, it's the Russian people who have deal with a lower standard of living and a shit economy

And down the road a huge power vacuum once he retires/dies.

well i like this video regardless of my opinion
it relaxes me

There's seems to be no strict definion, but RCS and sensor fusion are required to be counted as 5 gen.

f-35 is not what japan is in dire need of - a true dominant air superiority fighter, like f-22, to make up for restricted japan’s numerical inferiority. it’s a poorman’s raptor after all no matter how updated avionics it's got

Buy pls.

Are you implying petty dictators give two shits what happens to the country after they croak?

If anything it is affordable also underrated, there's nothing else in the world with the same capabilities.

Yeah. I wonder if he's grooming anyone. Shoygu seems to be favoured but idk enough about Russian internal politics

No.

Shoygu will be too old by the time Putin is done. Medvedev is the only one that comes to mind, but I think his time as President, during which relations with the West warmed, is why Putin came back.

Because the Eurofighter Typhoon from Tranche 3A is also a great fighter-bomber, but without any blackboxes that only the US is allowed to open. And it's produces locally, so we maintain our own military aircraft industry in case we are on our own again.

Your military is grossly undersized as is.

Seems like an improved version of the Transall C-160
Why did they use jet engines for a transport aircraft? Are they afraid of the A400M problems with it's turboprops?

It really isn't a poorman's raptor. When you don't have numerical superiority, you need multi-role aircraft, not single-role.

Even if the F-22 was for export, it still would be a extremely poor choice for Japan to buy as it is utterly useless at anything else but in A2A combat, it can only carry two bombs.

>Your military is grossly undersized as is.
So?
What would improve with a larger military? What new international options come available with lets say a doubled Bundeswehr?

It can carry 8 SDBs.

Improve action radius and speed mostly.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_KC-390

>Are they afraid of the A400M problems with it's turboprops?

Didn't they had that problem because they took engines from another manufacturer than the ones they used to get from?

Still in test and planing. Not certified or deployed.

I think the key to defending Japan is to have a military which can go on the offence, in an expeditionary way, in case the island nations neighbouring Japan get attacked. Pure air superiority like the F-22 can't really help with that.

Close, the main problem was, that two manufacturers had to work together on the design since no nation wanted to give up that part.

But the design itself was also really advanced, with lots of new ground

I see, so basically they had problems with the advanced parts. I read in a blog here that delayed the entire project.

Anyway, Embraer wanted to to go on the Turbines, they say that it will cosume at least 20% less fuel than other Turbines powered cargo planes. Which they tested and proved it.

youtube.com/watch?v=N6OZTF-Q8Fo

Only a matter of time.

Even if it can carry 8 SDBs or two 1,000s, that's still extremely limited for ground weapons and we're not even going to talk about the avionics.

The range comparison on wikipedia looks really impressive. But you need longer and better maintained runways. A transall can land nearly everywhere

Because our retards are drowning billions in social programs and ecological shit, and we will be lucky if we actually manage to double the numbers of our (leased) Gripens by the end of the next decade.

how long until drones carrying missiles/bombs make this trillion dollar project a total waste?

>100

hasn't only one been delivered so far

we should have just built our own drone boomerangs

They thought on that. The suspension makes the plane be able to land on shitty and short runways. Like inside the Amazon, Antartica etc...

They thought on that because of the C-130 that is still sitting in Antartic lands.

I was wondering why did they coup in Brazil. I have no curiosity left.

BUY OUR PLANES BUY OUR PLANES BUY OUR PLANES BUY OUR PLANES

wut?

You were making your own military stuff. The coup d'etat was probably for that.

Has science finally gone too far?

couldnt a harrier already do that?

Science went too far the day humans developed agriculture and farming

Oh, yeah during the Military govt they put a lot of money on defence and defence industry .

Then it slowed down and just from a few years to nowadays that is starting to grow again.

I think we are m8.

Look at the waves. The aircraft carrier is moving.

>tfw the f22 raptor gets no love

Well, he's in a difficult situation now. If he leaves the throne, he needs some guarantees from the new government.

>huge power vacuum once he retires
We have enough candidates with reasonable programmes actually.

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I want one of my own tbqh.

>Buying F35 when we have RAFALES
Bwahahahahaha

ps : buy rafales please very very cheap

>rafale
>cheap

bravo you understood the joke

UK has the Taranis, France has the nEUROn.

Haha because they aren't :D

:DD
PLEASE BUY WE NEED MONEY

Always and forever my favourite.

YOU BUY FIRST :DDD

Can you stop that with a F35?

vrooooooom

This reminds me of myself playing Driver 3 and running over everyone in Nice map.

Fucking meme magic.

Why don't use cheap and easy to make ww2 jet fighters like horten or Me 282, Me 262 as drones?
But with modern missiles and tracking systems.
We should think about drones like as flying platforms for inteligent missiles.
Big swarms of fast to produce and cheap drones with expensive inteligent weapons (like 2-3 missiles per ship) is future.

The information gathering and sharing of deßü.

The advantages of stealth will eventually be weaker because of very advanced Russian and Chinese radars.

But the biggest strength of the F35, and one that the slavs and chinks are nowhere near to matching, is the electronics, communication and sensors.

A single F35 will become a huge threat to enemies because it basically becomes an eye in the sky for a massive radius.

That means a single one can provide instantaneous battle space awareness to the entire US military.

And if you're a Russian or Chinese bomber, fighter, or ground station, that's the last thing you want.

LOL. Love it.

Except that it's getting new avionics and the newer RAM coating.

>Why don't use cheap and easy to make ww2 jet fighters like horten or Me 282, Me 262 as drones?

They need to be stealthy, hence the current shape of those drones.

Because the only 5th gen around is Straya and its not like they are planning on Australian empire anytime soon.
Besides politicians spend the monies on A400M because the EU demands sacrifices.

BIG

Yeah, went to see our first one at Langkawi International Airshow last year. Really huge compared to the Poseidon sitting besides it.
Poor Rafale, all the shilling posters and ads but nobody bought it.

>Poor Rafale, all the shilling posters and ads but nobody bought it.

The shilling worked because Egypt and some other little mid-east countries are buying some

Jealous you got to see this in the flesh btw

>The shilling worked because Egypt and some other little mid-east countries are buying some
They bought them because:
A) We weren't going to sell them the F-35.
B) They're hedging. The same reason they bought MiGs.
If they had a choice, they'd go 5th Gen.

Our politicians was also considering on buying Rafales but due to a pirate invasion in 2013 everyone went back to counterinsurgency.
Still the most fun at the airshow is the PRC acrobatic team with their J-10B and our Su-30MKM doing cobra.
Also get to see some F-22 a few years back, too bad they did the dogfight with our Flankers far from public areas.

>why isnt your country investing in the most expensive blunder in human history
because they arnt complete fucking retards

>Our politicians was also considering on buying Rafales but due to a pirate invasion in 2013 everyone went back to counterinsurgency.

Typhoon is better anyway :P

You think NATO will last forever?

You can't have your cake and eat it too, lazy wop.