what do linux and mac achieve exactly?
Windows can be used for pretty much everything like videogames and content making.
*BSD is good for servers and general sysadminning especially for it's security (hello, openbsd) and stability with minimal hardware usage
so what's even the point of linux (especially with systemd now which further fucks off security and stability) and mac (which also is much pricier than a PC?
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linux is like bsd except its made for and by mentally ill people
>what do windows and mac achieve exactly?
>Linux can be used for pretty much everything like videogames and content making.
>*BSD is good for servers and general sysadminning especially for it's security (hello, openbsd) and stability with minimal hardware usage
>so what's even the point of windows (especially with cortana now which further fucks off security and stability) and mac (which also is much pricier than than linux?
Coding and UNIX environment, package managers, freedom, no botnet, customization, no bloat...
Linux can't run most videogames and content making software like adobe stuff, vegas pro and whatnot
and as for windows 10 you're not really forced to use it, use win7 like normal people.
>bloat
Linux is arguably more complex than bsd.
>no botnet
Not with that systemd, If your OS has a shit stability, an amount of complexity and a big ass invasive init that if breaks, bricks the entire system with it, You bloody well better be sure that your OS has shit security and you can get hackerman'd on demand, openbsd is simpler and much much paranoid about security
gamers are absolute trash, and ""content"" """"creators"""" are even worse.
they can stay on their gay botnet, who fucking cares about those clowns
install gentoo
bsd is just worse than linux in almost every way
As long as they're used they achieve something in a way somebody wants to use them, everyone can choose most fitting OS, I don't really understand these threads, what do they achieve exactly?
install trisquel
if you're afraid of botnet and have a privacy concern why are you using a complex OS that isn't focused for security, and worst of all, uses systemd?
Not really considering that you'd actually have a more pleasant experience using bsd than any linux, which breaks all day everyday and you'd end up copying and pasting shit from your distro's wiki to the terminal not mentioning bsd has a much easier installation and usage than most linux distros
>I don't really understand these threads, what do they achieve exactly?
why use x when you have a better alternative to x?
Linux is an industry standard for embedded and server environments at this point. Sure, with the same level of corporate backing and industry attention, I'm sure that FreeBSD could easily fulfil the same niches where Linux is currently being used, but honestly I don't see that happening as Linux is already widely adopted and used.
I work in a domain that intersects embedded and HPC, and Linux is by far the most used OS. Some clients ask for solutions for Windows embedded or VxWorks, but they are a minority.
As for Macs, they are a brand of laptops. I happen to like my MBP and I happen to enjoy macOS because I've given up the daily struggle of dealing with broken display managers, broken display servers (I'm looking at you, X.org), half-assed window managers that get rewritten from scratch every five years with shrinking functionality and extensibility (I'm looking at you Gnome and KDE), and programs with lousy support and bugfixing (I'm looking at you Thunderbird). macOS and its programs just werks[tm], there's nothing more to it for my part. And I like being able to run my system as I'm familiar with it, as it's POSIX and behaves the same way a POSIX should.
Have you ever used any fucking bsd or are you just pretending?
define "better"
For me, these OSes are just for different purposes, Windows is better for everyday use, Mac for multimedia stuff (or I heard), Linux/BSD for servers and *NIX for development
I was concerned about systemd a couple years ago, but it's decent enough now. Good enough for RHEL is good enough for me.
All OS's are complex.
>Linux is an industry standard
Java and C++ are also programming industry standards but it doesn't necessarily make them better than ruby or python
>macs
they are a type of laptops that achieve less than windows while being more expensive, you could've bought a more powerful PC with the same price as your mac.
I just want the base OS to not get into my way and for everything to just work. That's why I only use LTS distros and a few generations old ThinkPads. Windows works just fine in a VM for the limited uses I have for it.
And that's only if you have the desktop/laptop usage in mind. Since you're talking about BSDs server usage you should take into account Linux's overwhelming usage in mobile, embedded, server and supercomputing.
There's also more games on Linux than you have time available for playing them. Depending on how much you're into gaming this might be enough.
>Windows can be used for pretty much everything
Same with Linux and Mac. What's so difficult to understand about it?
yeah, i do, dual booting openbsd and win7
nice trips
neither of these can play newer videogames and linux can't run new software.
Let's not kid ourselves 99% of linux "games" are shovelware indieshit
>Java and C++ are also programming industry standards but it doesn't necessarily make them better than ruby or python
Well, aside from the fact that they are usually used for different domains, I'm arguing that industry standard actually has an impact here.
>they are a type of laptops that achieve less than windows while being more expensive,
I don't want Windows, and certainly not any form of pre-installed version of it, so that's really not a selling point for me. And "achieve less" is vague, how exactly is my MBP achieving less than any arbitrary laptop with Windows on it.
>you could've bought a more powerful PC with the same price as your mac.
Well, I didn't buy my MBP as I got it as a signing bonus. And if I had a different laptop that wasn't compatible with macOS, I would install Linux on it without any hesitation.
"lol just use Windows bro" really isn't an argument to use Windows. I haven't used Windows in 10+ years because there is no need for it.
>neither of these can play newer videogames
Plenty of newer games are released for macOS and Linux, what are you talking about? Also, most people don't live for gaming.
>linux can't run new software.
What is this "new software"?
>what is Steam
>Plenty of newer games are released for macOS and Linux, what are you talking about?
every AAA game ever
>What is this "new software"?
adobe software, most autodesk software, vegas pro and the like.
>>what is Steam
a place where 90% of games are shovelware
>every AAA game ever
Buy a console, they're released for them before they are released for PCs anyway.
>adobe software, most autodesk software, vegas pro and the like.
I don't use any of those because I don't pretend to be a graphic designer.
Fair enough, but that means that 90% of Steam games for Windows is shovelware too. Ergo, using games as an argument for quality is just ridiculous.
I like Linux for a multitude of reasons. It works for me, the command line/shell/terminal is so superior to the Windows version in every way, it's not even a contest. I like the update system, I like that it never has needed a license key to make sure I'm a good goy. I like that it doesn't arbitrarily restrict my access to my system based on what version I'm using. I like that I can easily and painlessly change my desktop environment. Basically, it gives me choices and I like exercising those choices.
>inb4 lol analysis paralysis or other such nonsense
the point of this thread is not macvswindowsvslinuxvsbsd
it's team one: mac and linux
team two: windows and bsd
>Buy a console, they're released for them before they are released for PCs anyway.
There you go, you're spending at least 200 dollars extra to play vidya when you can pirate a win 7/8 and burn it into a flash then play your vidya happily
>I don't use any of those because I don't pretend to be a graphic designer.
then the only type of software left for you to use is an IDE/compiler (which most people don't do) and...a browser, might as well use a phone, lmao.
Cont.
In addition, the games I play all work on Linux except 5 or so, so the "muh games" argument is irrelevant, especially since AAA games suck 90% of the time.
I don't give a flying fuck about Mac. If anything I said can apply to Mac then so be it.
>the only software in existence is either graphics design, IDE, compiler, and browser
you're a real wizz kid aren't you? How do you function on a daily basis? Who the fuck would write code/compile on a phone?
>There you go, you're spending at least 200 dollars extra to play vidya when you can pirate a win 7/8 and burn it into a flash then play your vidya happily
Are you implying that a PC with a decent processor and graphic card is free of charge? Also, pirating isn't really an argument for anything.
>then the only type of software left for you to use is an IDE/compiler
Well, on macOS I use Logic Pro which is relatively cheap compared to expensive Cubase licenses but have far better features and functions better.
>and...a browser
Great observation, if you haven't noticed, something like 70-90% of software that people run today are cloud services anyway, so your choice of OS is just meaningless.
>which most people don't do
The infamous "most people" argument. Most people play games on their mobile phone, why do you even bother with expensive PC gaming when you can just download a $5 app?
>Who the fuck would write code/compile on a phone?
i was talking about the browser.
>a browser is a browser no matter if the screen estate is 2 pixels wide or 2448 pixels wide
Linux basically runs the world. Servers, embedded you name it - the majority is Linux. The world literally stops working without Linux. Stock markets are dead, trade is dead, the internet is dead, robot factories are down, train networks are down, air traffic control is down, power is down, basically everything is down.
Android has the vast majority of the device / user time share for personal end user computer use now, so the real question is what the fuck does Windows and OSX achieve?
Games in Windows' case, I guess?
Beyond that, it's pretty much all user habits and a few extremely shitty software companies like Adobe, nothing much of real importance.
Maybe people are actually still painting their gay furry porn and filling in spreadsheets on Windows or OSX out of habit, but they could do that on Linux, too.
Mac is a device. You can install operating systems on it. Linux is a kernel. It's a useful for operating systems like Android and GNU/Linux.
Debian is a legit serwer OS.
Mint is a OS good for desktop for multimedia and office.
Windows just works and is actually a gaming os.
MacOS is only for hipsters and "modern teenagers".
>what do linux and mac achieve exactly?
>What does Toyota achieve exactly? We already have Audi, BMW, Mercedes. Etc.
Autodesk suite is probably the most important windows software I can think of, all of the engineers at my work use it and would probably refuse to work with other programs for the same tasks. Microsoft does a hell of a job pushing it onto colleges and unis.
It kinda is
>especially with systemd now which further fucks off security and stability
this is not and has never been the problem with systemd
you have no idea what you're talking about
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My laptop and pc combined dont have power to compute AAA games.
My laptop cant suspend to ram on windows, i5 4th gen tier laptop.
Battery life on windows 3h40m
Battery life on linux 4h40m
there is more but that is for another bait
>init system so fucking big and invasive if it breaks, it bricks the whole show
>init system so fucking complex it is sure to create tens of holes
fuck off poettering
>so what's even the point of linux
Being the thing BTFO you and your shitty arguments every fucking milliseconds.
Is this a pajeet or just a dumbfuck kid who never seen a datacenter not to mention working at ITC?
If you ask me linux+systemd > windows
i never tried bsd and i am not planning to
lol
at least fucking windows is stable and has a good security
meanwhile you linux's allegedly best secure systemd (tails) uses a fucking compromised VPN and systemd
PS: no amount of GRSEC can help you get close to openbsd's god tier security or even winblows
>security is a product
>security is a free as in beer product
Low in knowledge, high in opinion.
>>bloat
>Linux is arguably more complex than bsd.
Complexity has nothing to do with bloat, buddy.
Linux is more complex than bsd but offers nothing more or better.
if it takes up more space, is more complex but offers the same as a simpler software then it's bloated
Post your BSD or windows desktop.
...what now?
Linux is one of the most widely used OSs there is. I really do not get your question, something is useful if it gets used and except for the home computing market, which is continually shrinking, Linux dominates the Market.
The point Linux has is that it used by millions, what better reason for it could there be?
joke: windows is the most popular OS
broke: linux is the most popular OS
woke: minix is the most popular OS
Let's start with logic thinking. Linux does everything that is expected of a computer. If you want to make music pick up a piece of paper, write your musical scores and pick up that piano or whatever you play. Use an actual recorder to record your music or maybe don't record. People have been making music for thousands of years without recording equipment let alone fancy DAWS. No real musician would rely on such things for their work. If you want to make drawings, draw on a piece of paper. People have been doing that for thousands of years. Drawing pixles on a screen doesn't make you a real artist. No games you say? Well I say STOP WASTING YOUR TIME ON VIDEO GAMES. Playing a hero doesn't make you a real man.
So based on these points there is nothing of value that Linux lacks compared to windows.
it all depends on your goals
assuming you are talking about desktops - linux distros are total irredeemable garbage with no exceptions, but GUI-less it's perfect on embedded shit, servers, etc.
windows is for normies and enterprise.
mac is for perfectionists, autismos, people who get triggered over misaligned icons, unbalanced spacings and imperfect font rendering. And gays, ofcourse
>Linux does everything that is expected of a computer
Until it can natively handle .exe and .dmg installation packages and foreign applications, it doesn't.
It doesn't need .exe, it has enough of its own apps
Tell that to our ACAD and accounting teams
Even windows don't have perfect backward compatibility.
Tell them stories about snap and flatpack packages.
Thanks for giving me the chance to post this, guys:
Not him but the no games argument is not true anymore. Windows is the best os for gaming mostly due to most game developers are trained into developing for it with microsoft's closed APIs, so the simple process of porting a game that was developed for windows to any other platform will affect negatively the performance of the game. This with the fact that the marketshare is small compared to windows there's hardly an incentive at the moment to optimize for linux, making look as if the platform were worse for games than windows when in fact to flip the situation you'll need to change the idiosyncrasies on the industry itself.
The fact though is that the situation on linux is not nearly the same than two years ago and now those who prefer linux over windows now can play games on it, helping to break the vicious circle, but still there's a lot of things to do for linux to compete in the gaming side. I anyone wants for this to change i recommend to play the games you can on linux when possible and ask for linux ports.
I notice some people doesn't want's for this to happen but if that the case let me ask (not directed specifically to the person i'm replying): how are any of you benefited in a meaningful way with the current situation? because i consider that keeping the statu quo just to have a tool to win an argument on what OS is better is not a meaningful thing. how having less options and practically being locked to MS products benefits you?
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>*BSD is good for servers and general sysadminning
I've never been in a professional environment that uses BSD for sysadmining.
>systemd now which further fucks off security and stability
citation needed.
>mac (which also is much pricier than a PC?
>mac
>not a PC
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agree with this post completely
all truth
Except MacOS became POS since snow leopard.
>Windows
Desktop
>Linux and BSD
Servers
I would hav said mac being suited for creativ work but that hasn't been true in quite a long time.
It kinda isn't
The offer alternatives that appeal to their specific niche. Also, both are superior coding environments and creation based OS's. Windows, like Android, is geared towards consumption.
While I love KiCad with all my heart, it has tons and tons of parts missing.
The default library is growing and improving constantly, if you're using the last stable version of kicad try to grab your parts from git. Also you can find a lot of parts on the internet.
>Windows
>Desktop
>Linux and BSD
>Servers
Nice dogmas.