ARM Chromebooks added edition Last thread Findings so far SBCs: Beagle and some allwinners are free except for GPU accel fsf.org/resources/hw/single-board-computers LowRISC is an upcoming SOC running on RISC-V lowrisc.org/
Servers: See the above TALOS II and used Opteron boards. [POSSIBILITY] PogoLinux offers rackmounts with two 48-core ARM processors! pogolinux.com/products/servers
Laptops: For x86, you have the usual librebooted memepads libreboot.org/docs/hardware/#laptops-intel-x86 Purism isn't libre, and may be bullshit artists according to this board, but they seem to have a roadmap that leads to Libreboot puri.sm/learn/freedom-roadmap/ Here is a project for a Libre PowerPC laptop, shooting for RYF certification. powerpc-notebook.org/faq/ 2005 Powerbooks: OpenFirmware, powerpc architecture. Be warned: only 2GB of DDR2 ram max! ARM Chromebooks. Dead serious. Open it up, unscrew a screw, flash coreboot internally, install loonix of choice.
Please stop using "HRT" in the same context as crossdressing anime boys, those are not transgirls and it's disgusting to conflate the two.
Isaiah Nguyen
(you)
Eli Watson
Anyone know any good desktop/high power options? I saw some ARM stuff for server racks on that PogoLinux site that Lunduke shills a lot, but I'm leaving that as a possibility, because I don't know about its firmware situation.
Angel Diaz
Fuck off fucking commie leftist jew identity police redditor
Luis Bennett
My political leanings are actually more libertarian than anything, and I respect Free Speech for all people. I don't use reddit.
Benjamin Lewis
Is there any way to buy one of those obscure cpu? Where could I find one?
This was discussed in another thread: 63236059 63236456 63236544 63236562 63236575 63236623 63236792 If you have evidence of ARM being inherently botnet though, I wanna know about it.
Blake Miller
Forgot arrows
Justin Jones
I made an Intel ME general (/imeg/) copypaste.
>What is the Intel Management Engine? The Intel ME is a small co-processor located in the die of modern Intel CPUs. It's advertised as an enterprise feature, but is dangerous for home users that don't need it. You can't buy any modern Intel chips without it. The ME is dangerous because it has access to all of your memory (RAM and hard disks) and access to your OS network stacks, or it can set up its own network stack in memory if no OS is present. This means that it could potentially phone home to Intel or the CIA niggers and feed them every single one of your rare pepes and anime girls. The ME is always running even when the PC is off as long as power is supplied from the wall or a battery. Removing the ME firmware completely or destroying the ME hardware renders the PC completely unbootable, or may trigger the 30 minute boot loop where it shuts down every half hour.
>But no vulnerabilities have ever been found, r-r-right? Wrong. There's an optional (optional for the board vendor) firmware frontend for the ME called AMT which can emulate a serial connection for remote keyboard input, which is one of the official enterprise "features" I mentioned above. There was a proof of concept attack done that would allow an attacker with access to your network to pass data from machine to machine silently and you wouldn't be able to tell if it was happening, since the ME operates at the hardware level of your PC. Just search for "Intel ME vulnerable" and be amazed.
>So what are my options right now? You can use some really old Intel x86 hardware that's from the early Core2 era, or MIPS, or SPARC, or ARM, or AMD stuff from 2011 or before. For some Core2 machines that have the ME you can use Libreboot which contains replacement firmware that completely disables it. The final and newest option is a project by Nicola Corna called ME Cleaner, which essentially neuters the ME and renders it harmless on your system.
Julian Green
cont.
>What's the ME firmware like? The Intel ME firmware is stored on the same ROM chip as your BIOS/EFI. The ME firmware itself is highly modular providing flexibility for board vendors. We can use this to our advantage by stripping out the modules that are harmful, and ME Cleaner automates that process. The ME firmware consists of a few basic modules; ROMP (only one some chipsets, starts the BUP securely), BUP (low level hardware init, controls 30 minute watchdog), KERN/KERNEL (scheduler, oversees and loads other modules), POL/POLICY (high level hardware and software [AMT] init), NFTP (networking stuff).
>What does ME Cleaner do? It strips the ME firmware all the way down to just the ROMP (if available) and BUP so that the ME is only doing basic hardware init at boot and power management in the form of shutting off the 30 minute watchdog to prevent the bootloop problem. You use ME Cleaner by first dumping the BIOS ROM. To do this you need to hook up a SPI clip and connect to a Raspberry Pi with Linux where you can run flashrom to interface with the BIOS chip. Once you have a old-firmware.bin (you can name it anything) you run ME Cleaner on that file which will produce new-firmware.bin which you can flash back to the ROM. It's that simple. If anything goes wrong you can just restore to the original dump.
>muh AMD! If it's anything made 2012 or later it has a PSP, which is basically the ME with more uncertainty and less documentation.
Nice info. Intel ME type-shit has pretty much fucked over all of x86. If you go Intel, you get the ME. If you go AMD, you get the PSP, which is another similar botnet. And since all attempts to get these companies to open their shit up have been futile, it's wise to consider other architectures.
It's not like software support will be particularly difficult. Many popular distros support these architectures, such as Debian or Fedora.
Jason Lewis
Kinda sad how many people i've seen make the "muh AMD" or "muh Apple" arguments. It's all the same shit.
Justin Martin
>It's all the same shit Yep.
Levi Morgan
>And since all attempts to get these companies to open their shit up have been futile, it's wise to consider other architectures. the psp isn't nearly as bad though and while it's bad it's 2013 ish era vs...2009 ish? with intel, and with ryzen amd were at least entertaining the idea that they'd be more open to coreboot/libreboot, and while it could be empty promises (not necessarily since they have contributed to coreboot before) there's at least some hope that x86 isn't completely lost
Aiden Richardson
>2009 ish? with intel More like 2005 or 2006 as far as I can remember. At least 2006 since my Core2 Duo MacBook from that year has one. Luckily it's the 2,1 model and I was able to use flashrom from the OS to easily install Libreboot.
depending on model but yeah, was considering putting 2006 in place of 2009 but I'm sure most if not all intel chips had them at 2009
yeah I figured as much but still, getting them to officially support coreboot in some capacity is going to be a decent step if anyone figures out how to reverse engineer psp or at least neutralise it in a decent capacity
Nicholas Cruz
Since we're on the subject of x86, what do you think of Purism? They seem to be shooting for libreboot at some point.
Jaxon Hughes
>no one's mentioned Lemote Open source MIPS hardware, I'm getting an 8-core mini ITX board for my next desktop. They also make other motherboard form factors as well as laptops and AIOs.
Jeremiah Martin
>Q2 '07
Core 2 Duo wins again
Camden Reyes
Not him but IMO Purism is disappointing because they promise a computing experience that utilizes the minimum amount of non-free software, yet they've shipped machines with non-free GPUs and non-free wireless cards, so what the fuck? I can install Ubuntu on any old laptop, so why the hell would I pay extra for Purism chinkshit? Their build quality is also mediocre.
Samuel Brooks
lemote.com/ I can't speak moon runes, so I'm not sure what's going on here. It looks like desktop stuff, which is great! We have quite a few laptop choices right now, but not much in the way of desktops.
Hunter Jones
The moment there exists a RISC-V single board computer with fully free hardware you bet your asses I will be in line to buy 10 of them and installing Libreboot and Trisquel on them all. Or maybe Parabola or Hyperbola. COME AT ME CIA NIGGERS
Aiden Powell
I feel mostly the same way. They have gotten better lately with corebooting their shit, but I still don't entirely trust them, as they've lied before. I would keep an eye on them though, to see if they can actually reach their goals.
I've heard some similar stuff about their quality. I think it's hilarious on their pages for the laptops where they say their keyboards are so good, "you may never stop typing!"
Carson Hernandez
>Powerbooks are on Ebay Wait, what? You mean those old PPC things Apple used to sell? Those things are libre now? How? Or are you referring to something else?
Christopher King
Well they use the god-tier Open Firmware and are most likely too old for hardware backdoors
Tyler Scott
They have an open firmware that is literally called OpenFirmware. I can't imagine any of their other components still need binary blobs after all this time, so yeah. I'm referring to the exact same old PPC Apple laptops. The powerbook G4s from 2005.
Jaxon Mitchell
>Those things are libre now? They use an open source initialization firmware and have no management engine bullshit. You might have to replace the wireless cards and you'll definitely have to install a new OS but otherwise you're good to go.
Owen Parker
Add something about MEMEIX
Isaac Robinson
Doesn't the talos II use OpenFirmware? I'm pretty certain all ibm POWER servers use it.
Thomas Jenkins
I thought I saw something about the original using uboot or some other newer firmware, I don't know about the Talos II
Jeremiah Perry
>MEMEIX You mean Minix? Literally the only part of Minix included in the ME firmware is in the kernel module. Go beat your little peen somewhere else, Tanenbaum. Nobody cares about your shitty raccoon OS.
Gabriel Morales
Minix is just a kernel, it uses NetBSD's userland.
>Literally the only part of Minix included in the ME firmware is in the kernel module.
So the most important part that every other module runs on? That's like trying to say linux isn't the most important part of a Linux distro
Adrian Thomas
>That's like trying to say linux isn't the most important part of a Linux distro b-but it's not. GAHNOO is.
Christian Anderson
Duuuuude... What if you ran Minix on a system that had the ME? That would be Minix ON the Minix!
Luke Torres
wew
Benjamin Jones
>bald fuck too lazy to make a userland to go with his shit kernel Color me surprised.
>So the most important part that every other module runs on? No, it's not important at all. It gets stripped out by ME Cleaner.
Leo Martin
More like Minix alongside Minix
Leo Gomez
No sense in creating a userland for an educational kernel intended to learn about kernels. You seem like you have something personal against Tanenbaum, did he make you watch as he fucked your mom or something?
Sebastian Sanders
>You seem like you have something personal against Tanenbaum I don't like bald, smug faced CIA niggers that are always high on their own farts because they wrote a kernel. Little nigger babies, I swear to G-d. I wrote a fucking compiler. Don't make me run you over in 1999, bitch. You'll glow in the dark.
Nolan Rivera
Calm down Terry, or the prison guards will give you more antipsychotic meds.
Zachary Wood
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Minix, is in fact, ME/Minix, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Me plus Minix. Minix is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another nonfree component of a fully functioning ME system made useful by the ROMP, BUP, POL, and vital Modules comprising a full hypervisor as defined by Intel. Many computer users run a modified version of the ME system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of ME which is widely used today is often called “Minix”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the ME system, developed Intel. There really is a Minix, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Minix is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Minix is normally used in combination with the ME operating system: the whole system is basically ME with Minix added, or Me/Minix. All the so-called “Minix” distributions are really distributions of ME/Minix.
Gavin Perry
Ok so i'm trying to Jewgle translate some of the Lemote stuff lemote.com/html/product/eatx/2017/0120/39.html Function module indicator Motherboard size 304.8 mm x 330.2mm CPU 2 x Godson 3B 3000 processor, clocked at 1.5GHz Chipset AMD SR5690 + SP5100 Graphics chip SM750, 64MB memory NIC chip 1 x INTEL I350 Gigabit Ethernet Memory DDR3 RDIMM, maximum support 8GB x8 2.5 inch / 3.5 inch hard drive SATA hard drive, support for 6G SAS RAID card Display Interface 1 x VGA connector SO-DIMM slot 1 x SO-DIMM slot for the BMC module PCIE slot 1 x (PCIEx16) slot; 2 x (PCIEx8) slot; 1 x (PCIEx4) slot SATA interface 6 x SATA2.0 interface MiniPCIE interface 1 x MiniPCIE interface USB interface 4 x USB2.0 interface Indicator Network indicator: Link 100 / 1000M Green Steady; Link 10M Steady orange; ACT flashes Button 1 x POWER; 1 x RESET BIOS PMON, Kunlun firmware Operating system LOONGNIX, won the unicorn, Puhua Operating temperature 0 ℃ ~ 40 ℃ >Operating system LOOGNIX won the unicorn Sounds great
Luis James
Tanenbaum wrote a compiler too
Amsterdam compiler kit
Ryder Hughes
I forgot to mention that their Loongson 3 processors have some die space dedicated to hardware-assisted x86 emulation for qemu
Grayson Parker
Anyone here use an ARM based laptop? I know things like the Raspberry pi Pi-Top have non-free blobs, but my bet is that it would be better than nothing. Some things I am considering - ARM Chromebook - Pinebook - Pi-Top - PocketCHIP
Anything else I should put on my radar?
Charles James
>die space dedicated to hardware-assisted x86 So does this mean botnet? I really want Loongnix to win the unicorn.
Carter Stewart
no
Grayson Morales
>crossdressing anime boys, those are not transgirls user... trans""""girls"""" are actually just crossdressing boys. That is why they are transgirls and not actually girls. It's just pretend.
Eli Myers
There's this. Probably about as powerful as the pinebook. crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop Also, those ARM chromebooks look nice. I especially like the screw system for write protection.
Isaac Thomas
I have seen that, issue is that uses Allwiner CPUs that have a terrible trackrecord with the FOSS community. That and the video firmware is 100% binary blob and everything is too expensive.
Jace Davis
I've already pretty much finished the OP image for next thread. Its some good shit
Good. I may add Lemote to the list. Any info on their boot firmware?
Isaiah Parker
I don't want feminine penises associated with the mutilated garbage that trannies have put between their legs.
Nathan Perez
I don't know what it is but I know it's open source, RMS used to use one due to this.
Benjamin Thompson
He used to use that old netbook from them. I'm asking about these server boards. I guess they would also use similar shit since it's the same company?
Adam Taylor
some trannies just cross-dress and have penises like normal men. There is no difference between the crossdressing men you like and the ones who destroy their dick. mental illness both
Ayden Young
I know, I can't imagine they'd be developing a different firmware for each computer they sell and selectively making them open or closed source.
Samuel Morris
So how does this stuff get communicated? Would fixing a server/router prevent connected computers from letting the hardware modules phone home?
Jackson Thomas
None of these devices can be used completely with open source software without severe limitations
>- ARM Chromebook Most use a Mali GPU and VPU which require close sourced drivers >Pinebook and PocketCHIP Mali-400 (Which is an old af if I wanted botnet I'd want something perfermant like an a75/g72 soc).
Tyler Nelson
Still jewgle translating their site. There's some unintentionally funny parts so far. lemote.com/html/about/aboutus/ >strive to defend the national information security, to contribute to the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation! Very patriotic >In November 2013, Zhang Fuxin, general manager, was invited by the delegation to go to Beijing, Hangzhou and Jiangxi to preach. And apparently religious
Parker Stewart
I am aware of the issues with Mali, I would assume that the more open platform is better than nothing though.
Do you have any suggestions for readily available mobile FOSS rigs that isn't a trannyboot thinkpad?
Landon Ramirez
There was some user in an earlier thread who had an ARM Chromebook from Samsung running GNU/Linux. He said it's not really noticeable at all if you use XFCE (which this board seems to love anyway)
Ayden Nguyen
You can install SeaBIOS on some Chromebooks
Luke Sanchez
Here's the links to what i'm referencing:
Jordan Sanders
bump
Angel Ramirez
xfce is great on c201 vlc is useless without gpu driver mplayer works fine so use that instead use tplink tl-wn722n with open firmware for wifi
Matthew Flores
bump
William Cooper
>xfce is great on c201 Good to know. I typically go with a TWM such as bspwm or i3, so that should work out even better. >use mplayer not vlc I use mpv, so that should be fine I guess. >use usb wifi Yeah if i'm going for 100% stallman mode, i'll remember that.
Carson Price
Thanks for the bumps
I've been thinking about those Lemote boards. Sup Forumsentoo wiki has a page on that old yeeloong netbook, saying it had something copyleft called PMON. wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Lemote_Yeeloong_Gentoo_Desktop PMON is this thing linux-mips.org/wiki/PMON Which apparently got abandoned. There is a successor called PMON2000, which is also Free Software, licensed under 4-clause BSD. There's a lot of broken links, but lemote apparently had a website dedicated to this, so I guess they probably use some vaiation of PMON or PMON2k for their shit now. linux-mips.org/wiki/PMON_2000
Isaac Morales
The Novena. Not the fastest and very expensive, on the other hand it works great out of the box, no non-free blobs, very stable, has SATA, displayport, battery charge controllers, speakers, PCI-E wifi, all the things you would expect a laptop to have.
Admittedly it's EXTREMELY niche, but so is this thread.
Chase Hall
>xilinx spartan why does it have an fpga?
Hunter Bennett
Probably for field programming gate arrays
Jace Evans
There is a MyriadRF SDR that can interface to it, or you can use it for whatever reverse engineering project you want. It requires nonfree Xilinx software to use, though. Fortunately it ships unconfigured (blank) and isn't required for anything, so I just ignore it.
Adam Bailey
So I always see stuff about ME but what about PSP? Are there any advances in disabling that?
Connor Gray
Nothing that I would know of. If I had to guess, this would be because Intel is way more popular in terms of processors. Almost all laptops on the market use Intel, and AMD only seems to show up occasionally. I'd say more desktops are Intel that AMD as well, so in general, the ME is going to be the biggest threat. But that's just my theory.
Easton Rogers
Why not just buy pre-i* based computers? A C2D that can be LibreBooted is totally usable for 99% of common home tasks.
Yeah, you wont be watching 4K anime, but that's the price you'll pay, right?
Aaron Lee
Those look great, but a lot of people who care about this botnet stuff know about them. I guess part of this thread is trying to find and discuss other options, for whatever reasons.
Ryan Adams
Is E2-1800 safe from AMD PSP? The CPU was announced few days before AMD TrustZone was a thing.
Lincoln Reed
Was waiting for the thread to die so I could use my new OP image.
Also, I see it's from 2012, so I think it's fine. I think it's around 2013 when the PSP was introduced.
Grayson Lee
Oh, neat. I own one of these and I really think you are wrong. A bunch of the hardware needs proprietary drivers, and the CPU is still closed source.
Easton Foster
>CPU is still closed source Are you referring to something like it being an open ISA? Because aside from something like RISC-V, there's really not many of those.
Kayden Campbell
How do i know if my computer is compatible with me_cleaner?
Yeah i think my technical capability stop there messing inside the hardware is beyond me i guess i'll need to pay someone to do it i don't even have the tools.
Any thoughts on olimex teres? Open source hardware but lame specs and allwinner A64 soc. Comes as a kit and you have to build it, but looks pretty simple. Only annoyance is that it is 240 euros.
Angel Watson
That's probably what i'm looking for.
Would you still recommend me me_cleaner?
Ryder Anderson
please hardware gods give me risc-v SBC i'll offer my soul as compensation
Hunter Rivera
You won't need ME cleaner if you libreboot it. Libreboot legit removes the ME entirely.
If you're talking about your other hardware, It's up to you, user.
Zachary Ortiz
>allwinner A64 soc Where does any of the open source parts come in? Sound like it's about as open as phones are.
Lucas Harris
Interesting. This seems similar to the Pinebook or the EOMA68. Do you think it's worth putting in the list?
