Are they European?

Are they European?

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only georgians are.
rest of them are apes that needed to be genocided asap along with t*rk apes.

No...just some influence

t. Georgian proxy

yes i am proud georgian

this is the eternal question

Go away. Even Ossetians are related to Europe more than Georgians are.

Armenia and Georgia are, at least culturally

no

Obviously not dumb ass. Look at their genetics, they're just Middle Easterners without nigger chink or poo in loo admix. Hell, they gave much less Euro admix than all the Middle East except for Arabians from the peninsula.

Come on guy. Don't reject 'em because you had a war against them. It's just American tier.

They are literally and unironically the only white people

ossetians are related with indian street-shitters and pakis.
very european indeed

>Look at their genetics, they're just Middle Easterners without nigger chink or poo in loo admix.
Mostly they are not. Caucasian getenics are a bit of unique.

I don't really consider them European but I do consider them white if we say White=Caucasian race.

only georgians

you should be genocided too

ossetians are subhumans
subhuman is the perfect word for your people

Ossetians are related with Scythians and Alans who played some huge role in early European history.

>South Ossetia recognized in a Caucasus map

RRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Ossetians
Saying ossetians are not georgians is saying eastern ukrainians are not russians

You mean they were like gypsies except that gypsies are now Europeans like Bulgarians and Hungarians.

georgians and armenians are
abkhazians are so-so
ossetians and azeris are asian scum

Georgians are, Armenians are culturally European to some extent.
The rest are kebab tier.

Yes they are a bit unique because they have been isolated for a long time, but I'm talking about the essence here.
They're unique in the same way that Basques are unique in Europe. Basques are still Europeans though.

The uniqueness only applies to actual Caucasians. I don't consider Armenians and Azeris Caucasians. And they're also not even unique in a Middle Eastern context Armos and Azeris are like the rest.

Sorry, but Ossetians have nothing in common with Georgians. Educate yourself. Even Abkhazians are more Georgian.

It's just the de facto current state, relax brah

they are ayran gypsies who speak another language

t. asian scum

This

I know . I'm just pissed cause you've taken moldova...what do you want? I'm biased ,sry

When will Armenia remove kebab from glorious Նախիջևան?

Armenians are more European than Georgians, they speak an Indo-European language and had a lot more contact with other Europeans throughout history.

>Saying ossetians are not georgians is saying eastern ukrainians are not russians

They are russified Ukrainians though.
At least they speak the same language.

On the other hand Ossetians speak language that belongs to Persian branch of Indo-European family while Georgian language belongs to a different family than Indo-European one.

>Mehmet calls someone Asian

Do you think Abkhazians would really agree with that. I've read about their ethnic cleansing history in Georgia, pretty disgusting stuff, espeically if they're bruvs.

This is literally the first picture that comes up when you google Armenians, they're definitely not the same as middle easterners. It's the same story as Greeks/Italians/Spaniards.

At least they both speak languages belonging to the so-called Caucasian language family and they lived in the same area for more then 2000 years. Actually they are not similar too, but still they are closer to Georgian than Ossetians are.

I get that you can't judge a book by it's cover, but when I see pics like that it makes you think, you know? But then Sup Forums shuts you down with their "totally middle-eastern" shiz and then I'm skeptic about who to believe.

Are you joking? They are Arab women without the Hijab. I know because I'm using a tiny 600x800 screen and i can still see the noses on those women.

Syrians are the whitest Arabs and this is the first picture you get on Google.

Yeah, Arabs are not all the same too. They assimilated a lot of non-Semitic ethnic group during first Islamic conquests after all.

None are. Even Russians are barely European.

Ossetians (North and South Ossetia) are not related to Georgians genetically, culturally, or linguistically.

>Russians are barely European

American education at its finest..

Is Georgia white?

even armenians are more caucasian than georgians because georgians are the biggest pussies in the caucasus. even armenians are tougher. everybody in the caucasus laughts at them because they are crying, backstabbing little bitches.

Alright, no need to instigate shit here kek
Georgian is more related to other native languages in the Caucasus, Armenian is more related to other European languages. So both languages are European.

brate, i'm not iranian, turkish, or lebanese. I know i'm brown, and proud to be an arab. so what if i'm white or brown or black? all im saying is Armenians have Middle Eastern features.

yeah basically this. the reason people from moroco to Iraq (and even parts of Iran and the Turkic nations) consider themselves Arabs is because we assimilated them to us. unlike the mongols (which assimilated to Persian society, or other cultures), and unlike the Turks (who did not manage to assimilate arabs/etc... into their culture), we managed to successfully assimilate many societies into our culture and our ethnic group. Mostly by marrying 4+ women of that group. I'd say Arabs are one of the few societies that the cultures they controlled assimilated to their conquerors culture, rather than the norm where the conqueror assimilates. (examples above, Alexander the great was persianized as well.)

>Georgian is more related to other native languages in the Caucasus, Armenian is more related to other European languages. So both languages are European.
It this case, why Ossetian language isn't European?

Armenians lived with Assyrians and Kurds, That's why they look alike

Ossetians are Caucasian anyway, even if the language is still Iranian, doesn't matter, at least in my book.

They don't look typical to you because they aren't wearing Muslim clothes
But you'd find a shitton of girls that look like these especially in the levant

Their cities look pretty white, but I'm not so sure about the people living in said cities

M8 there's obviously some admixture, that's why I said it's the same as Greeks/Italians/Spaniards, but they're not the same and still have distinct features. Besides, these maps are all memes anyway, just look at that dark colour in the Caucasus, they must be white af. Here's another meme map.

With the exception of Armenians, they're basically all Iranians.

Azeri's are Persians who speak Turkish, although their admixture can vary depending on the region.

Armenians are 1/3 Mesopitamian, 1/3 original Caucasus HG, 1/3 Anatolian.

Ossentians cluster near Iranians as well, but with more Eastern European admixture (obvioualy).

Georgians pretend they're special snowflakes and are original natives of the Caucasus but all genetic tests show they're all practically Iranians as well.

I'm sure someone has genetic maps that show all of my above statements to be true.

Moroccans natives dynasties such as almohads, almoravids, merinids etc. are the one responsable for arabization of north africa by using arab troops as mercenairies.

>Haplogroup J

You do realize that "J" includes J1 (which is Arab, and originated in Yemen) and J2 (which is Greek/Turk/Caucasus, and originated in Anatolia), right?

Most "Arabs" are only like 25% Arab

>Parts of the Middle East go from 0.3 to 0.7 to 5.8

Jesus fuck that's not how genetics works at all, wtf

Even J2 is split into two. J2a is Indo-European and J2b is Greco-Anatolian.

Not even all if J1 is semitic. Only some branches are.

Doesn't even matter though. Haplogroups are for populations over 10,000 years ago. Its completely irrelevant. Admixture on the other hand..

Haplogroup J1 spead in neolitical period, way before the concept of culture, race, langage, arabity existed.

>A predominantly neolithic origin for Y-chromosomal DNA variation in North Africa
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1216069/

The arab blood from medieval migration is

>Georgia will never unite the Caucasus into New Colchis
feels bad

>They're basically Iranians

No? I mean the groups cluster closely (Armenians/Georgians/Turks/Iranians are next to each other), but that doesn't mean they're the same people.

By your logic Iranians are just Turks then, and furthermore Iranians are quite far from Europeans.

I don't have data for Ossetians, since they're such a small group.

IIRC it's only Azeris and Kurds who cluster close enough to Iranians to consider them genetically the same, even then it's like saying that French people are basically Germans.

>I don't have data for Ossetians, since they're such a small group.
Maybe this will help you.
familytreedna.com/public/Ossetian?iframe=yresults

Why are all those countries in the Caucasus even fighting for? They all look the same. Is it like the Central America of Europe/Asia or what?

Mountains and ancient history, every group has a unique language and culture.
It's like turbo-Balkans.

Perhaps only Georgia. The rest are kebab

Georgia hates SO and Abkhazia because of ethnic cleansing against georgians and Armenians and Azerbaijanis are fighting over armenian clay

it's a region that historically sits between empires, all of those empires loved stirring up the nationalism of their preferred peoples to legitimise their rule and gain loyal subjects. this continues today in that most bad shit that happens there today is russia and sometimes turkey meddling, starting and prolonging little wars to retain influence in the region. they literally started the abkhaz georgian war and continue to exacerbate it, and do you remember litvinenko, the russian spy that was poisoned in london? one of the main reasons why he was killed was because he brought to light russia's involvement in the armenian parliament shootings which effectively derailed the almost complete armenian-azeri peace process.

YES

"No"
Pls don't base your opinion on politics, ty

Not sure where you got your pic from user..

>Georgia hates SO and Abkhazia because of ethnic cleansing against georgians
Wtf, who told you this dirty lies? It were Georgians who started ethnic cleansings against Ossetians in 1991, when Gamsakhurdia came to power. Remember his famous speech when he said "Georgia is for georgians" and "We shall wipe out Ossetian trash with our Georgian broom"? Many Ossetian villages inside Georgia were burned like Gudzaret, Tsiteluban, Guerdisuban, Aidarov, Odet, etc. Thousands of people had to flee Georgia for their lives. They even tried to kill refugees like they did on the Zar road. THIS is why South Ossetia and Abkhazia proclaimed their independence.

So it is Ossetians who hate Georgians for all what they did. Westernies like you should not speak about things they have no knowledge of.

If THIS is what your "European" shit means, then we don't want to have anything common with you indeed.

Look for fucks sake. drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQb2I1X2t0TDZtMXM/edit?pref=2&pli=1
Armenians, Georgians, Turks, Lebanese, Druze, Jews, they all cluster in the same fucking place.
Hell, Lebanese are closer to Europeans than Caucasians on that PCA, saying Caucasians are European is crazy.

You realize that there's more than one genetic study out there, right? Not all maps look the exact same.

Now I feel stupid, thanks for clearing that up

Stop thinking only about genetics ffs, Finns are definitely European but genetically they might not be.
Also, Caucasians have distinct genetics and the question is in which category you put this distinct group. Some put it in Europe, some don't. Simple as that.

In all of these, there is a very clear line between the MIDDLE EAST and EUROPE.
ALL Caucasians from the Caucasus fall on the Middle East side of that line. Which was the question of the OP. So no they're definitely not European.
Armenians are similar if not identical to Mesopotamians like Assyrians. Georgians Turks Iranians tend to cluster near to each other.
Where as Ashkenazis, Sicilian, South Italians etc etc are sort of the populations on the limit between Europe and the Middle East, belonging to neither really, but still much closer to the Middle East than to Nordics.

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Armenians cluster with Assyrians. Georgians cluster with Iranians. Neither of those are European.
If you argue that either Assyrians or Iranians aren't Middle Eastern you might as well be retarded.
So no, it's not nearly as ambiguous as you paint it as being.
And Finns are most definitely European genetically. They might as well be the most European of all as all other Europeans fall on a cline between Finns and the Levant.

Well m8 you're retarded if you think Assyrians don't look like people in the Levant, putting them on the brink of Europe by your own definition.

ossetians are black like africans right?

I think you need to re read what he wrote

No, they are actual Japanese people who invaded Caucasus.

christ
today europe ends on the oder and you people are arguing whether the hillmen of an arch-asiatic mountain range are prt of it, holy kek

What are you talking about?
The Levant isn't on the brink of Europe I never claimed that moron, I said there are a lot of populations between the Levant and Europe like Ashkenazis South Italians Sicilians Greeks etc.
And if you're talking about about the cline thing, please look up the fucking definition of a cline.

Just look at them. Typical Japanese.

It actually ends at the Rhine

Actually, it ends at the English Channel.

WASP master race.

England isn't a part of Europe. It's better than Europe. Don't ever compare the two again

Nope
He said Armenians cluster with Assyrians who are literal Levantines.
Then he says
>Europeans fall on a cline between Finns and the Levant.
Putting them right on the brink of Europe.

They're not even in Europe, what type of shit thread is this.

>Armenians cluster with Assyrians
>If you argue that either Assyrians or Iranians aren't Middle Eastern you might as well be retarded.

Ossetians are basically Ossetic speaking Circassians.. They're both mainly Haplogroup-G

all of them but azerbaijan

>Haplogroup autism

Can we stop this

Clustering on a cline from Finns to Levantines doesn't mean Levantines are European you dumb shit. They cline that way because the neolithic farmers who spread farming in Europe came from the Levant not the Caucasus, if they had come from the Caucasus they would cline from there to the Finns. lrn2readingcomprehension
And Assyrians aren't Levantines wtf are you talking about, they're Mesopotamian in every sense of the word.
Do you know where they live or who they are? Or are you confusing them for Syrians? Yes there are some in Syria, but there are also some in Iran, doesn't take away from the fact that their home is in northern Mesopotamia, Iraq.

Syria comes from the word Assyria

What's the problem with either of those things? Contesting either?

But their mtDNA is more Iranic.. forgot to add.

You Canadians are a handful to deal with