USSR DID NOTHING WRONG

1. Scientific excellence
2. Technological superiority
3. Free healthcare
4. Excellent Public transport
5. Free holidays
6. Free housing
7. Excellent recycling system
8. Free excellent education
9. Drugs banned
10. Jobs for all

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>starving everyone.

But the existence is wrong.

>Banning drugs
>Good thing

Finns truly are autistic

I doubt he's a Finn

1922-1985 everything was running well. Systems always get destroyed by outside interference.

They went from the majority of it's citizens living in mud huts to being the first in space.

>Excellent recycling system
Are you kidding me?! They didn't give a single fuck about environment.

He is not. He a russian posting here quite often.

Russians are ok, but OP is a colossal faggot

>1. Scientific excellence
Only when it came to military.
>2. Technological superiority
No.
>3. Free healthcare
Yes. Not highest quality but yes.
>4. Excellent Public transport
Dunno lol
>5. Free holidays
What are non-free holidays?
>6. Free housing
Rather shitty housing though.
>7. Excellent recycling system
Dunno lol, but I kinda doubt it.
>8. Free excellent education
I guess, you just have to accept the party as your lord and savior, but yeah
>9. Drugs banned
They had (and still have) a very serious alcohol abuse problem.
>10. Jobs for all
Yeah. Get rekt neets

Red terror, starvation, poverty, surveillance, Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, NKVD, Gulag deportions, occupation of Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, murders of civilians, burning villages, Winter War, plans of conquering Finland, bad treatment of prisoners of war, torture, mutilation, and mass murder, executions of political enemies, mass rape during the liberation of Poland and during the occupation of Germany, etc.

Yea... did nothing wrong... so glorious...

Well studied facts:

Waste management and recycling in the former Soviet Union ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24068306

Three Ways the USSR Was Unintentionally Environmentally Friendly
blogs.transparent.com/russian/three-ways-the-ussr-was-unintentionally-environmentally-friendly/

>say something nice about Russia/USSR
>must be a Russian
>miltä tuntuu olla ikuinen luuseri

>1. Scientific excellence
>2. Technological superiority

>Genetics aren't real!!!
>Computers are the works of the capitalist devil, we only need our good old communist minds!!!

If the Soviet Union was superior why did they crumble when the technological transfer was shut down and why did it collapse?

If Soviet technology was superior why was it discarded and why did all the gommie industrial giant conglomerates collapse and had to be privatized?

>No.

Sure Hans

>inerior computers
>inferior cars
>inferior planes

>b-b-b-but muh spaiss
>muh spaiis rice

I counted their space missions as scientific excellence and still, these were military projects. Other technologies were serverly lagging behind.

Arent the inhabitants of siberian towns descendats of gulag prisoners what else made people move there

>Free

Majority of them are but there were locals there and fur industry before the gulag. Also wood, gold, silver, etc

That's all just propaganda, d-dumb sheep :^)

>defending the people that invaded your country

You can't invade your own clay

Yeah ...

>3. Free healthcare
Our healthcare was pretty shitty though. It was free, but no one cared about quality. This is the worst thing about free healthcare.

>8. Free excellent education
The most true thing. Modern education is shit in all post-Soviet countries.

Nah, who cares? It could evolve. And it actually evolved in the last years of Soviet existence.

I wanna be a miserable bastard in Russia.

t. igor

You can't blame USSR for what happened after USSR didn't exist.

Soviet Nobel Prize winners in science

The following Soviet scientists were recipients of a Nobel Prize.
Physics
1958 Pavel Cherenkov, Ilya Frank and Igor Tamm "for the discovery and interpretation of the Cherenkov effect"
1962 Lev Landau "for his theories about condensed matter, particularly about liquid helium superfluidity"
1964 Nikolay Basov and Aleksandr Prokhorov "for fundamental work in the area of the quantum electronics, which led to the construction of oscillators and amplifiers on the basis of the maser laser principle"
1978 Pyotr Kapitsa "for his fundamental inventions and discoveries in Cryophysics"
2001 Zhores Alferov (RU) "for the development of semiconductor heterostructures for high-speed and opto-electronics" (working in the time of the USSR)
2003 Alexei Abrikosov (RU), Vitaly Ginzburg (RU) "for innovative work in the theory about superconductors" (working in the time of the USSR)
Chemistry
1956 Nikolai Semenov For outstanding work on the mechanism of chemical transformation including an exhaustive analysis of the application of the chain theory to varied reactions (1934–1954) and, more significantly, to combustion processes. He proposed a theory of degenerate branching, which led to a better understanding of the phenomena associated with the induction periods of oxidation processes.

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I am dead sure that this picture was actually taken after the fall of the USSR. During Yeltsin times, most probably.

Yeah and paradise become hell after few month. Seems legit lol.

>1. Scientific excellence
Military only
>2. Technological superiority
No
>3. Free healthcare
Yes..and no, there was a huge line, and people who "donated" money to doctors get to receive free healthcare otherwise you wait for months or years.
>4. Excellent Public transport
Hahah, no.
>5. Free holidays
no..
>6. Free housing
Same as "healthcare" but with bigger line, normal person who paid no money to people in charge of handling houses usually waited about 10-15 years
>7. Excellent recycling system
No
>8. Free excellent education
Kind of
>9. Drugs banned
The most "innovative" drugs were made in USSR.
>10. Jobs for all
Yeah and if you wanted to become a surgeon or something you would be assigned to shoveling coal(unless you paid monies to get better job)

t. Person who's family lived in USSR
Piss off, Spede.

Well, for what is worth, today's Russia is even shittier than the USSR.

Nothing is free m8.

>Only when it came to military
They're solely responsible for space travel

>Rather shitty housing though
They wouldn't have had to build second-tier housing if you didn't decimate most of their urban environment in the last World War.

>I guess, you just have to accept the party as your lord and savior, but yeah

Available to everyone, regardless on political affiliation.

>solely responsible for space travel
They were first, yes. Not solely responsible.

>shitty housing
Germany was destroyed, laddy. Look at it now.

>education
Only party aristocracy was allowed to study abroad.

It would've never come to the "Red terror" if your Banks didn't finance the leaders of it's revolution, on the orders of the German emperor himself no less.

>during the occupation of Germany

Military reciprocity, guess why it happened.

>industrial giant conglomerates collapse and had to be privatized

Because the previous owner - the state was dissolved?

It's your own fault for not maintaining the facades.

They largely were.

>Germany was destroyed
72% of her external debt was forgiven at the London conference and her reparation process was almost entirely financed by the entire Western civilization for nearly half a century, plus they've put all of the looted East European industrial equipment to good use.

>Only party aristocracy was allowed to study abroad

We spoke of local education.

>11. It was better than so called "Russian Federation"

>They're solely responsible for space travel
Which was a military achievement. Also
>solely
They did a large part but not everything

>>Available to everyone, regardless on political affiliation.
You're deluded
higher education was available to people who had connections or a lot of money
there was limited available seats in universities and it was mostly taken up by people with connections and/or money
Idiot who's family is friends with top communist party person would be preferred in University than a smart guy who's family consisted of farmers.

>It would've never come to the "Red terror" if your Banks didn't finance the leaders of it's revolution, on the orders of the German emperor himself no less
Are you realising this happened at war? Wilhelm II. and Lenin were enemies, but had common interests in WWI. To weaken the Russian empire. Willy has also financed the White movement aswell.
All he wanted was a weak, chaotic and confused Russian Empire. Nobody expected Bolsheviki to be a serious threat to Europe at this point.

BASED OP

FUCK NATO

It might have been good if it didn't do the whole communism in one country thing.

It might have been respectable if it declared war on the entire world (and then obviously lost).

It's a myth that USSR didn’t work. If this is true, then capitalism, by any equal measure, is an indisputable failure. From its inception in 1928, to the point at which it was dismantled in 1989, Soviet socialism never once, except during the extraordinary years of World War II, stumbled into recession, nor failed to provide full employment.

What capitalist economy has ever grown unremittingly, without recession, and providing jobs for all, over a 56 year span (the period during which the Soviet economy was socialist and the country was not at war, 1928-1941 and 1946-1989)? Moreover, the Soviet economy grew faster than capitalist economies that were at an equal level of economic development when Stalin launched the first five year plan in 1928—and faster than the US economy through much of the socialist system’s existence.

To be sure, the Soviet economy never caught up to or surpassed the advanced industrial economies of the capitalist core, but it started the race further back; was not aided, as Western countries were, by histories of slavery, colonial plunder, and economic imperialism; and was unremittingly the object of Western, and especially US, attempts to sabotage it. Particularly deleterious to Soviet economic development was the necessity of diverting material and human resources from the civilian to the military economy, to meet the challenge of Western military pressure. The Cold War and arms race, which entangled the Soviet Union in battles against a stronger foe, not state ownership and planning, kept the socialist economy from overtaking the advanced industrial economies of the capitalist West. [6] And yet, despite the West’s unflagging efforts to cripple it, the Soviet socialist economy produced positive growth in each and every non-war year of its existence, providing a materially secure existence for all.

Which capitalist economy can claim equal success?

AND COLAPSE!!

DON´T FORGET THIS :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

DUDE

COMMUNISM

simo forgot to shoot someone...

Capitalism also collapsed

tbqh really should have another commie purge
nothing cures the mental disease known as socialism better than a bullet to the brain

But you can blame it for collapsing lol

>food shortages
>atrocious economy
>drugs banned
>repression of free speech
>""""""""""""""good""""""""""""""

>capitalism collapsed too
Than why is it still around?

>They did a large part but not everything
They've done most of it

>Wilhelm II. and Lenin were enemies, but had common interests in WWI. To weaken the Russian empire

The Sisson Documents beg to differ on that account, they've certainly had more interests and they've revolved around Russia.And do you realize that by doing so, you've subjected a good portion of the world to immeasurable suffering and poverty?Do you lack the necessary cognitive "properties" to even comprehend the concept of "responsibility" for your actions?

>Willy has also financed the White movement as well.

It was a political stunt to avoid being associated with the men who've butchered the royal Russian family.

>Nobody expected Bolsheviks to be a serious threat to Europe at this point

Is that why they've equipped them with a sum of money that ranged from 25-75 million German marks?

German, you've caused more damage to this continent in the last one hundred than all of her enemies combined have in the last 2000 years.

>people die protesting/rebelling and escaping USSR
>literally socialist paradise

Lies. See

Eбyчиe coвки, нeнaвижy вac бляди

If it really was this great then it probably wouldn't have collapsed

that's literally the "if youre so smart why do they beat you in school" kind of argument

The smart kid got successful after school.
But after Soviet era, Russia is still a shithole.

Better than Tsarist Russia and Yeltsin's mafia-run Russia of the 90s at least. Also, as an American, I miss the competition we had. If this were still the cold war, both us and the Soviets would probably have bases on Mars by now.

The biggest atrocity of the USSR was giving Ayn Rand a college degree

well this particular smart kid hanged himself, apparently
it happens

Meanwhile, in the west
>stealth technology
>the internet
>computers
>integrated circuits
>transistors
>supersonic aircraft
>nuclear fission and fusion weapons
>microprocessors
The list goes on. The Soviets launched some stuff into space, built some nice rockets, and then copied a bunch of American tech

That's because you STILL haven't embraced capitalism.

thay couldn't handle the capital banter

> stealth technology
based on Russian 30es math
>the internet, computers, integrated circuits, transistors
should be in reverse orger, basicaly stages of one tech, but granted
> supersonic aircraft
granted, though considering US headstart and huger Western parket it's kinda parthetic that Soviets had the first operational civvie supersonic jet
>nuclear fission and fusion weapons
yet another field where the West got overtaken despite headstart
> microprocessors
another entry on the "computers" list

so basically, West was better at computers because some idiot Ukrainian leader was against that tech in USSR for political reasons

NOT impressive, considering USSR was an order of magnitude behind in any economic measure and just got out of a devastating war to boot

>stealth technology
Funny that you have mentioned it, the theoretical part was done by a Russian.

>USSR is bad
>posting photos of USSR in its last days b4 collapsing

Sure...

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Ok, just for practice...

>From its inception in 1928, to the point at which it was dismantled in 1989, Soviet socialism never once, except during the extraordinary years of World War II, stumbled into recession, nor failed to provide full employment.

That's because the recession was permanent. Providing full employment is easy when the people in the "job" have nothing to do and you pay them in monopoly money.

>Moreover, the Soviet economy grew faster than capitalist economies that were at an equal level of economic development when Stalin launched the first five year plan in 1928—and faster than the US economy through much of the socialist system’s existence.

1. Soviet stats were bullshit
2. It's easy to have 100% if you are going from 1 potato to 2

>was not aided, as Western countries were, by histories of slavery

What is serfdom

>colonial plunder

Russians could've developed their East

>Particularly deleterious to Soviet economic development was the necessity of diverting material and human resources from the civilian to the military economy

Yet the West could manage both

I'm a communist. Putin is one of the most horrific leaders imaginable

>based on Russian math
Then when haven't they made a stealth aircraft yet? The new Sukhoi plane doesn't even have real stealth.
>yet another field where the West got overtaken despite headstart
You guys built more warheads, sure, but ours could actually hit their targets. You guys also stole the tech for the fission and fusion bomb.

I guarantee if we starved our people like you guys and only gave them commieblocks to live in, our tech would have been so much greater, as long as you guys didn't steal anything

>the theoretical part was done by a Russian
And yet even after obtaining a downed stealth bomber in the yugoslav war Russia still can't make a stealth plane
>INB4 coming soon, we have heard this before

Then why haven't the Russians made a stealth plane yet?

>I'm a communist
Gas yourself

>So what went wrong in the USSR?
tl;dr: revisionism.

1) After WWII was over, new generation of Marxists was partially wiped out (cue losses of Communist party members on the frontline).
2) On the other hand, Party was overrun by people with rudimentary understanding of Marxism (cue sources of immense amount of new members joining during WWII).
3) Post-war Bolsheviks could not present unified front and educate new people in Marxism (cue long explanation of why populists won).
4) Bureaucrats came to power and (effectively) begun transition to Capitalism. Due to built-in legal defences against this, it took 30 years and several coups to accomplish (cue long long list of shit that happened)
5) Since Capitalism doesn't actually work, Soviets were getting less and less efficient as time went on.
>How come areas, like Poland were exceptionally more poor than others?
Poland wasn't part of USSR, for starters. It was semi-independent nation ruled by their own elites. Like right now with EU/NATO. Except Communist politicians are in charge, not Liberal (Euro-Liberal, not US-Liberal, if that's not obvious). Some nations had politicians with brains, some nations didn't (Hungary went full retard, for example).
Additional factors:
1) Poland was never particularly rich (same for Hungary/Romania/Bulgaria)
2) WWII destroyed quite a lot
3) Poland went Communist kinda late and didn't get the full industrialization course under Stalinist economists, instead they've got revisionist (and politically correct) version from Khruschev-Brezhnev.

>I'm a communist.

It's not coming soon, the T-50 isn't real stealth

Putin is more of an alt-right thing

>Liberals
Kill yourselfs

>I'm a communist

cont
Basically, Khruschev decentralized Soviet economy I.e. it was no longer actually planned economy. It was simply run by bureaucrats.
Politicized Science. Actual Lysenko clusterfuck happened only during Khruschev's reign and was part of … wait for it … destalinization campaign. While 1948 is claimed as the time when Soviets "outlawed genetics", it was more of a series of budget cuts to some areas, while increased support of other - also genetic - research initiatives ("repressions" were limited to half a dozen people and even then had more to do politics than science). It was 1955 ("letter of 300") when Lysenko finally got his carte blanche due to personal Khruschev's intervention; when Lysenko was forced to retire in 1961, Khruschev intervened again and put Lysenko back; only in 1965, when Khruschev was no longer in chage, Lysenko was deposed for good). This also led to crippling of Soviet electronics (that was finished by Brezhnev).
Nationalised ~6% of Soviet economy (non-state industrial co-ops, not just minor businesses; if you had enough workers and persuaded local representative of central bank to give you a loan, you could've organized big factory). No refunds, no nothing, despite co-ops clearly being workers' property.
Crippled kolkhozs financially, by forcing them to take huge loans to privatize pieces (no-one could've afforded to buy them whole) of state agencies (MTS) that provided tractors and other expensive agrotech for anyone. That also led to major drop of efficiency of agrotech use.
As for Stalin - that's no minor thing. Khruschev completely destroyed credibility of USSR and split Second World in Second and Third Worlds. This bullshit about hundred gorillion executed/gulaged? It begun not with Goebbels (nobody actually believed him), but with Khruschev's antistalinist campaign.

>the USSR didn't work because it was not marxist enough/ too capitalist

Kek this thread is pure comedy gold

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shit happens

>I'm a communist
I hope stalinist?

cont.
Stalinism itself was outlawed in USSR until the 90s (last case of people being sent to prison for it was in 1989, IIRC). This also led to Soviet Marxism being turned into a dogma, actual Marxist discourse being effectively forbidden on the grounds of "this might lead to Stalinism".
There is a reason why post-Stalinist USSR is often considered non-Socialist. Though, I must say it's not completely true: it took 30 years for bureacrats to be completely reborn as capitalists. Basis doesn't change superstructure in a heartbeat, after all.

Not an argument.

I've seen the light, tyrone. I can't wair for the commisars to break into my house and steal all my food now.

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Day of the rope is coming, liberal cucks

>Since Capitalism doesn't actually work

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Luxembourgist, but Stalin get far more hate than is deserved

Still a shit tho

>Impliyng he would only steal you food
KEK
>Le maymay other peoples money
not an argument, and she didn't worked to well Uk if you ask me.

Given the wealth distribution of this country, it's statistically pretty unlikely that you'd be giving up anything

>That's because the recession was permanent.
you know "recession" is not what you want it to be, but actually has a definition, right?

>Communism can work guyz!!!
>just hand over all your businesses and belongings to the state peacefully!!!
>you have the right to the products of your labor, except if you want to start a business using said products!
>real communism has never been practiced!

Right, but with capitalism you literally DO run out of other people's money

No system dependent on growth is compatible with a finite resource pool

I can't wait to lose everything and live a life of squalor

I forgot that they would steal everything except maybe the clothes on my back. Communism sounds more and more like the right way to live.