How can Intel cucks even compete?
Raven Ridge Discussion
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Hudson Long
> Bribes OEMs with rebates
Juan Morgan
That's not working, pal.
See: DELL shilling their EPYC-based PowerEdges.
Charles Baker
> Muh "Iris (((Pro))) Graphics"
Joseph Smith
RR isn't even going to be a performance part, they literally sold that market segment to intel. lmao
Joseph Ortiz
Shame it won't perform like that in actual games due to thermal throttling.
But yes, Vega iGPU kills anything Intel on area efficiency, ALU throughput, geometry performance, everything.
Eli Taylor
KBL-G was requested by Apple, and AMD has no advanced packaging like EMIB right now (ahoy, Amkor, it's time for S-SLIM).
Ayden Baker
>KBL-G was requested by Apple
[citation needed]
>and AMD has no advanced packaging like EMIB right now
Whut? rely meks u fink how vega works
Oliver Murphy
On AMD related news, github.com
DC/DAL finally landed in staging for 4.15 so you can use Linux on Raven Ridge once more laptops come out.
Lucas Reyes
>[citation needed]
Google it.
>Whut? rely meks u fink how vega works
2.5D interposers are thick and very pricey.
That's why AMD needs to start poking at OSAT partners like Amkor.
Xavier Reed
>Shame it won't perform like that in actual games due to thermal throttling
How about buy a laptop with actual cooling?
You buy a stupidly thin laptop yes its going to throttle.
Zachary Turner
It performs fine on games (pic related)
> thermal throttling
We don't know that, but knowing Desktop Ryzen, it's safe to assume it won't throttle at all at those clock speeds.
You know it's possible to bump the TDP up to 25W right? That would compete directly against Intel's 45W counterparts.
Connor Reyes
>It performs fine on games (pic related)
That's actually well below suggested TimeSpy score.
Michael Sullivan
>google it
That's not a source, user.
As much as I would agree with Apple being a customer, AMD said themselves that this part was not directly competing with RR.
Performance AMD APU's have been sold to the Jew.
Leo Gomez
How the fuck are they getting such bad performance out of CS:GO?
Jaxson Watson
>That's actually well below suggested TimeSpy score.
It suffers on games because of no dedicated VRAM, so it depends a lot on fast DDR4 RAM. Iris graphics has the advantage here because it has 128MB L4 cache on die, so a huge throughput for low end games.
Raven Ridge will perform better on everything else though. If it had HBM2 it would simply destroy Intel.
Aiden Young
KBL-G is not an APU.
It's simple Intel CPU + dGPU, just in a very neat package.
Samuel Butler
It suffers because it thermally throttles.
TimeSpy has separate phases for CPU and GPU loads.
Real gaymen stresses both.
Owen Bell
Who are you trying to shill for? I'm genuinely confided as to why you think RR is a good product?
please user, I can't handle this roller-coaster ride
Brandon Fisher
Have you ever played CS GO on Intel HD? It can't even handle 720p low settings without throttling.
Nathaniel Murphy
>S-shill!
(You)
Aaron Mitchell
>getting buttblasted about being called a shill
how gnu are you user? seriously, why is RR so good? Or is this a bait thread for us to tell you?
spoiler: it's shit
Bentley Hernandez
I just figured a system that could pull 66FPS out of Overwatch at 720P should easily get 60+ in CS at 1080p with decent settings, considering my last system got like 3-4x the FPS in CS that it did in OW. I haven't fucked with gaming on integrated graphics in years though, guess they're worse than I'd have figured.
Kevin Myers
>2x4 gb of ddr4-2400 ram
>radeon graphics
what do you expect
James Taylor
Honestly I thought "Radeon graphics" meant it had a discrete graphics card, haven't had an AMD product since like the Athlon/ATI days so I didn't think about integrated "Radeon" graphics being a thing.
Jose Carter
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There are some real world benchmark videos posted the past few days of Ryzen 5 2500u inside an HP Envy X360
Carter Fisher
>I didn't think about integrated "Radeon" graphics being a thing.
It's a thing since Llano days, which are ages old.
Jason Edwards
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>2003
yfw the original rx480 was an integrated graphics chip
Asher Campbell
But ryzen laptops are getting built with single channel ram.
Connor Morris
But the only one currently available is dual channel and fully upgradable.
Aiden Cox
The HP one is single channel
Christian Long
It's dual channel, and you can manually install both m.2 SSD and moar RAM.
Owen Carter
You're going on old currytech info. From the launch lineup, the only manufacturer that listed single channel is Lenovo.
Anthony Cooper
Is it even currently available anywhere?
I wonder if lulnovo will provide a dual channel option.
Carter Reyes
Nope, most products are expected in December.
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Logan Gonzalez
>R7 2700U
>Dual channel 8gb max
This chip is dead in the water as far as performance goes with that ram bottleneck.
They need to come out with a proper non-neutered chip.
Jeremiah Reed
It's not 8gb max you cracker ass cracker
Jordan Garcia
>lelnovo
ftfy
Jackson Nguyen
I'm kinda excited for a quad core X1 Carbon
Henry Sullivan
>he thinks it's 8gb max
lmao you dumbass
Connor Williams
Remember, 2700U has a 15W TDP
Fifteen watts.
FIFTEEN.
No other 15W CPU has as good performance.
James Johnson
i was waiting for a rr mini build but with recent jump in part prices who knows
Owen Carter
With their own cpus and amd graphics?
Julian Bennett
>No other 15W CPU has as good performance.
Well, it's a testament to AMD's engineering.
7LP will deliver the killing blow.
Dominic Watson
A problem is that ARM may expand in the ultra low power sector, and they should have the power consumption advantage (perhaps not if the programs run through the emulation).
It will be interesting to see how well the three platform fare in the next months.
Owen Sanchez
>A problem is that ARM may expand in the ultra low power sector, and they should have the power consumption advantage (perhaps not if the programs run through the emulation).
4 A75 cores will be about as powerhungry as 2 Zen2 cores.
The throughput will be about the same.
So, what's the point?
Adrian Brooks
>So, what's the point?
What I meant is that it will be three chip manufacturers fighting over market share, not only two.
The outcome will depend on how well people (and OEMs) accept Windows 10 on ARM and how well the chips compare to intel's and AMD's lineup - it may end pretty bad for ARM, it may also completely change the landscape.
Daniel Hall
>The outcome will depend on how well people (and OEMs) accept Windows 10 on ARM
It will be okay for 5W Facebook machines, shit for anything else, and WoW layer can't emulate x86-64, only x86.
It will be DOA should AMD launch some 2/4 3CU 5W SKU.
And I sincerely doubt ARM vendors will be ready to chase AMD to the bottom of the margin well.