Be portuguese guy with 2 ukrainians parents

>be portuguese guy with 2 ukrainians parents
>my brother can speak ukrainian since he has lived in ukraine for 9 years before coming here
>i can't say shit in ukrainian,don't know the culture.
>my mom can speak portuguese but my dad can't for shit
>my friends call me chernobyl(friendly joke)
>i don't feel ukrainian.
for fuck sake,why are people classified for the characteristics of their birth?
is nationality a curse?

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t. Alberto "Chernobyl" Barbosa

At least you must be the whitest man in Portugal

Why are you not defending your country Vladimir "o Mooro" Chernobyl?

>be portuguese guy with 2 ukrainians parents
So you're an immigrant in Portugal. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Just tell to people that you are Portuguese.

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i was born here you fucking retard...i wasn't exposed to ukrainian culture or language...

Irrelevant. You're not ethnically Portuguese, which makes you a foreigner. What's the difference between you and an Angolan nigger in Lisbon who was born in Portugal?

Leave our Ukrainians alone leaf. They are nice. hardworking people. And how dare you compare them to niggers, what is wrong with you?

I'm not knocking them as useless leaches. I'm just saying he's not ethnically Portuguese. If this is a shock to either you or him then you're both delusional and possibly retarded.

So you don't speak with your dad?

my dad worked in ukraine until 2012,i speak a little portuguese with him and some english inbetween.
well,i'm not black so that's a plus

who cares about ethnicity, he was born here and if he feels Portuguese that is fine with me

valid point

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>he was born here and if he feels Portuguese that is fine with me

what does it feel like to be portuguese?

Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And just because he's culturally Portuguese, according to him, doesn't mean he's not a second-generation immigrant. That's the reality. I mean, nothing I've said is in the least bit controversial.

So a somali born and raison in Lisbon would be a real portuguese for you?

If the Somali sincerely embraced the language, culture, and traditions of Portugal, then Yes, he would be Portuguese.
Read Isocrates for more.

>ukrainian parents
>can't say shit in ukrainian

don't blame the people man, blame your parents... why the fuck they didn't speak in their mother language with their own child? I'll never understand that.

This may sound little SJW but I think the most precious value you can give your children is their own identity, their own culture. People without roots (like you) may be lost at life.

You are ukrainian by blood. Of course you are portuguese aswell because you were born there and you live in that culture but feels so lame that you don't share roots with the rest of the family. And not being able to speak with your own dad it's too odd imho

>my mom can speak portuguese but my dad can't for shit
His father must speak Ucranian to him. Or dont speak at all.

But he would still be a nigger.

My dog is a Hungarian dog, but he's still a dog. A human assimilates into the human stock and a nigger to the nigger stock.

I lived in a garage for 10 years so Im a car

>"I hate you so much you failure of a man, disgusting little faggot."
>"What's it dad? Oh, sure here's the remote."

What tripe. There is a distinction between being ethnically, racially Portuguese, and Portuguese according to culture or law. He, like the OP, will never be Portuguese by blood in spite of being Portuguese by culture and recognised by the state as being Portuguese by citizenship.

>ukrainians
>ukrainian
>ukraine

It's not controversial, just unimportant. He can be second-generation immigrant, nobody will care here except for few stupid jokes.

hard to describe, it sounds like fado and tastes like a mix between pastel de nata and bacalhao

let's not get ahead of ourselves, Somali is still a nigger

He said in that they communicate in a mixture of portuguese and english. But anyway, the point is that is too weird that you can't communicate with one of your parents in a natural and fluent way. And being both parents ukrainian and that the language they use at home with their chlid is portuguese...
I mean, maybe that would be different if one of the parents is portuguese and the other is foreign but can speak portuguese. (I would still "blame" not knowing one of the parent's native tongue, being bilingual is a treasure)

>It's not controversial, just unimportant.
Except it's totally important and relevant to the current discussion at hand, given that OP made this thread to discuss his personal identity crisis.

You're Portuguese lad. No question about it. Language, culture, and traditions run thicker than blood.

t. friends with similar people

He is a proper Portuguese already. We cannot into languages.

But I said that I except him as my fellow Portuguese. No need for identity crisis.

>father is too lazy to learn the fucking language of the country he's living in
>son is too lazy to learn the language his parents speak in to communicate properly with his own father

I would say, if not anything this would render them to be honorary Portuguese. Southern Yuropoors are the niggers of Yurop in every sense of the word.

Its funny because theres a difference between european and new world citizens
Theres not a muh heritage feeling in europe in comparison to the new world.A canadian of foreign heritage puts the culture of their parents in front of him.a portuguese coyldnt give a fuck about what their parents come from because he feels portuguese to the core.

>This may sound little SJW
Wtf, this "muh heritage" thing actually sounds pretty nationalistic.

Yeah Portugal is pretty good integrating Europeans.

I'm the son of two Icelanders and I never felt anything but Portuguese since I was a child.


That's why I can't forgive the niggers and gypsies saying they can't integrate.

Europeans integrate just fine but they can't. Sure.

don't be so harsh László

>But he would still be a nigger.

No he wouldn't.
That's why nazis were fucking retarded.
The Ukrainians offered to fight alongside the Germans and hitler told them to fuck off and started killing them because he considered all slavs subhumans.
I've dropped turds with more brains than hitler.

" Our city has so far surpassed other men in thought and speech that students of Athens have become the teachers of others, and the city has made the name “Greek” seem to be not that of a people but of a way of thinking; and people are called Greeks because they share in our education (paideusis) rather than in our birth. "
- Isocrates

This principle lies at the heart of a nation and nationalism.
There is a catch though.
A country MUST have a superior culture and language in order to dominate peoples of other ethnicities. Greece had that.
But no country in the world has it today.
That's why people shit themselves every time they see a muslim praying. Because deep down they know that Europeans/Westerners have gone soft, while muslims at least have their religion and faith (regardless if its shit and was founded by an illiterate pedophile) to unite them.
We only on the other hand, have iphones, hollywood, and burgers.

>ethnically, racially Portuguese

Only right wing idiots such as yourself care about that shit.

Exactly my point

Are you ethnic Canadian?

>Only right wing idiots such as yourself care about that shit.

I'm not right wing and I agree with him.

Father was living in Ukraine until 2012. I agree it's quite lazy maybe not learning portuguese in 4 years but who knows.
Son doesn't "need" to learn his parents' language, at this point it would be the same effort for him than learning korean or swedish. The fucking point of having foreign parents is that you get to know their language since you are born, without (or very little) extra effort, that's why it's called bilinguism. I can speak english because I've learnt it at school but is not the same as if one of my parents would be english.

I don't know what the hell were those ukrainian people thining when they started raising their own child in a language that is not their native

Immigrant and traitor to your motherland, Ukraine. You can't get much worst than that, Chernobyl.

Like this:
youtube.com/watch?v=P_jU8knC5ns

And that's fine, but - again - this doesn't change the fact that he is part of an outgroup by virtue of his origins. This is invariably a problem for immigrants, ethnic mutts, and adopted persons. If he marries a Portuguese woman his children will probably not suffer - at least to the same extent - from this problem, but he always will. Same shit happened to my dad. It's life.

>Only right wing idiots such as yourself care about that shit.
Yeah, or you know, sane people who don't pretend things that are real and quantifiable don't exist.

Assuming you're not being facetious, no. I'm the grandson of immigrants. Nothing will ever change that.

wait a sec, so you cant talk to your dad

whatever that is

>will never be Portuguese by blood
Were is no pure-blooded countries in the world, especially in Europe, it's only you culture that determines your nationality.

Most likely his children will be considered to be Portuegese if he will stay in that country, even if he is still not.

The only exceptions are black or asian peoples in European country, and only because they look too different.

It was somewhat polemic question knowing that probably 99% of Canadians are immigrants with non Canadian ethnicity.

Then again you're doing the same here.

This.

I-I-I actually quite like Portugal, but y'all ignored me and I just wanted some (You)s.

>Were
"There", excuse me for my bad writings.

>I'm the grandson of immigrants
>implying that Canadians are not nation of immigrants

So you must consider American Indians to be the only true blood Canadians and Americans, don't you?

Well, when I was writing that I was thinking also about all those muslim arabs who try to export their "culture" no matter what. I guess my point is, the best thing is to integrate well in the country you are living accepting its culture, but at the same time keeping your heritage in your private life. Good multiculturalism is a plus.

That's why europeans are easy to integrate when going to another european country, and that's also why there are so many problems with muslims and whatsoever. They just can not blend into European culture.

ALOOOOHAAA CHERNOBYL HOW ARE YOU DOING

OP im portuguese by blood and was just in Portugal and im definitely American and not Portuguese, people spoke to me in Portuguese and tourists asked me for directions but im 100% american, youre 100% portuguese and not ukrainian just accept it

Welcome to being Portuguese, the cancer of Europe.

You are now part of the most stupid people in Europe.


Enjoy endless nonsense politics, no honor, no sense of community and beyond retarded educated people.

just ask politely

see, you got another one

Here is another (You) Miklos.

Keep that wall in shape ok ?

Why would you send away a person who would desire to learn your language, follow your traditions, and embrace your culture and religion?
And if necessary fight for your country.
Because of the color of his skin?
Is that what you're saying?

My only restriction and exception would be muslims.
They are truly dangerous, and they can only corrupt when they come in contact with other religions and cultures.
Still, we have muslims in Greece (Greek muslims living in Thrace), and they consider themselves first and foremost Greek, and muslims second.

There is no pure-blooded countries in the world, especially in Europe.

This is also true.

>The only exceptions are black or asian peoples

I'm a nationalist and I don't care if someone is black or Asian.
I'm always happy to hear young people from other ethnic backgrounds speak fluent Greek.

you guys are nice as hell and when people found out i was american they wanted to talk to me a lot. i dont understand why you guys are such self haters

>t. racially already half-nigger Greek, who still refuses to close the border to stop the flood of shitskins into Yurop

Cool story, Costas.

Again, this is tripe. This is precisely the sort of stupidity leftists slam on the table to shut down any criticism of current immigration trends.

Purity is not the issue. The issue, or rather the truth, is that OP has absolutely no ethnic connection to the country in which he lives at present. And, no, it's not only your culture which determines nationality. Nationality is determined entirely by your legal status in a country these days because the very concept of ethnic identity has been eroded over the course of the last century.

>The only exceptions are black or asian peoples in European country, and only because they look too different.
A totally arbitrary and moronic distinction which you make so as to avoid confronting the inconsistency of your ridiculous position. The only difference between these people and OP is that blacks and Asians are even less preferable as immigrants due to their established reputation as criminals and do-nothings, and their outright refusal to assimilate. OP would stand out no less than these groups in a genetic survey of the Portuguese population, because he is no less foreign. That's the reality.

It's perfectly normal for 1st or 2nd generation immigrants to feel without a home, for being foreign in both countries. You'd be Ukranian/Icelandic here and Portuguese in Ukraine/Iceland. Good news is, being sad is ALSO a Portuguese thing.

Yeah you may be taller and paler, but there's more to culture (wherever from) than looks. Portuguese culture in particular is very bantery between friends (akin to English), so if you weren't being called Chernobyl or Reijkjavik, you'd be called something else that set you apart more than likely. We're not very diverse, so it's easy to pick on you for that.

If you speak the language (which is hard as fuck to begin with), and enjoy complaining about stuff, being generally melancholic and good at making shit work under pressure, you're one of us.

>why the fuck they didn't speak in their mother language with their own child? I'll never understand that.
Maybe because the want him to be a Portuguese? they obviously weren't satisfied with their previous country.

those things on the left are good i was always having em for breakfast, didnt know that they were distinctively portuguese

this my be OP's bigger problem than identity crisis

>Because of the color of his skin?

Exactly. Niggers don't belong to Europe.

They had their chance of becoming Portuguese, but they sided with the Soviets. If they really true sons of the Empire they would stay in Africa and prepare for the recolonization in Angola and Mozambique.

>i dont understand why you guys are such self haters
It's part of the culture to be sad about times not being as good as they once were, even if you weren't alive back then.

It's not really to be understood, it's just the way we are. We're the autists of Southern Europe because we look at a more violent sea than all the others, and it's not as hot a country where most people live. We're still full on Chad compared to Finno-Scandis, though.

They are Pasteis de Nata (or Pasteis de Belem). They, and a Portuguese short espresso (not the one pictured) are the stereotypical Portuguese breakfast. They are the national pastry and are delicious.

>Then again you're doing the same here.
How's that? I openly admitted that I am well outside the typical Franco-British origins of the majority of this country. I said that I am the grandson of immigrants and that my father had similar problems growing up here as those OP is having. Again, that's life. You make peace with it and move on because you sure as shit can't change your blood.

>So you must consider American Indians to be the only true blood Canadians and Americans, don't you?
The entire reason why they're called Natives and First Nations here is in recognition of the fact that they are native to this land. So, yes, by definition that are Americans by blood and have exclusive claim to that title.

Who said anything about sending anyone away? I would be content knowing that OP intends to set his roots in Portugal and raise his children there. I'm not holding up a "FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL" sign, I'm just not being a delusional lunatic by pretending ancestry doesn't exist or that it counts for nothing.

>They are Pasteis de Nata (or Pasteis de Belem). They, and a Portuguese short espresso (not the one pictured) are the stereotypical Portuguese breakfast
kek i was having that for breakfast every day. the little cups confused me at first but im already missing stopping into a little cafe with some dumb tv show playing on some shitty tv and getting one for .75 euro

>>my friends call me chernobyl
topo queque

>Franco-British
Which isn't Canadian either.

I never said it was, but it certainly makes me a member of an outgroup.

Well, I have an idea for the fresh meme.
All guys from Portugal will be called "Chernobyl" since now.
Btw,
>Alberto
Doesn't seems funny already.

>getting one for .75 euro
You were being ripped off. They are usually €0.60. Maybe in Lisbon they are more expensive.

>I was having that for breakfast every day
You shouldn't have more than one, those things are a caloric kick in the nuts. Fucking delicious. Some tourists (and little kids) enjoy eating the custard with a spoon first, and then the base. Did you eat them like a man, at least?

>fresh meme
Пиздyй нa peддит, мидилкo.

t. mongolian/turkic rape baby

nigger is a way of life
hitler was a nigger for example
he killed millions of whites all over europe
he's on par with the turks and the mongols
and there's no black leader or nation that's responsible for the deaths of whites to the extent hitler is

>ancestry doesn't exist or that it counts for nothing

How does ancestry count according to you?
Assuming one is happy to learn your language, follow your traditions, and embrace your culture and religion - as I mentioned earlier...how does his ancestry and ethnic background come into play?

ffs there are countries like the US where there have no ethnicity - only nationality.
There is no such thing as a white ethnic American.
You have Greek Americans, Spanish Americans, Italian Americans, Irish Americans, etc.

>Forcing a meme
Shut up, Chernobyl.

i was in lisbon most of the time, i dont think i got ripped off cause i can understand portuguese but never let it on cause i cant speak it

i only had one and i ate them like a man but i needed calories i was walking like 10km every day, and honestly it seems like lisbon and porto no matter where you go you gotta climb a 60 degree hill both ways. i have literally no idea how anyone is fat in portugal

t. chernobyl barbossa

Niet, Chernobyl :D

>60 degree hill both ways
yup. fucking hilly country
>i have literally no idea how anyone is fat in portugal
We are? Maybe you only saw the ones that are stuck in the valleys.

>i have literally no idea how anyone is fat in portugal
They take the funiculars.

shit, reading comprehension.

Well, after retirement, people settle without changing diet, because it never made them too fat while working. Yeah, there's not a lot of fat younger people.

Well you are white in a shitskin country, they should obey you.

Ok, by your logic americans are now allowed to claim their heritage?

>hitler wuz ebül

What a meme.

>How does ancestry count according to you?
I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking me how I measure "ancestry," or how important it is?

I measure it based on genetics, because it is chiefly in this field that the concept is quantifiable. It's no more or less important than those things which you have mentioned. It is one among many variables necessarily relied upon on the question of identity.

>ffs there are countries like the US where there have no ethnicity - only nationality.
That's because the US was founded on civic nationalism, purely. Who is and who is not an American isn't determined by blood (if it were, natives would necessarily be the pre-eminent members of American society, which is obviously not the case), it is determined by the Constitution and the public concensus. That's it.

But European nations are not the United States or other countries with colonial origins where the mainstream population is ethnically foreign to the land on which they live; that is to say, their ethnogenesis occurred elsewhere. Ethnicity was one of the factors on which European nations were founded, certainly so in the case of Portugal. I know the French Revolution has attempted and largely succeeded in convincing modern man that all nations were founded purely on civic grounds, but it's simply not true.

>There is no such thing as a white ethnic American.
Agreed.

Somehow this is sad.
I don't know why, but the fact that your parents are both Ukrainians, yet haven't taught you your supposedly native language is depressing to me.

Live as you live then.
You probably won't understand your supposed culture at your age with all its Eastern European local memes and historical references.

Дaжe я нa гoвнocypжикe мoгy paзмoвлять. Жaль тeбя.

So what did we solved? László got few You(s). OP disappeared and is probably yelling in front of a bar under somebody's window just like a proper Portuguese. And we figured out that leafs are meme nation. Anything I forgot?

>>be portuguese guy with 2 ukrainians parents
Ukrainian living in Portugal senpai

youtube.com/watch?v=OW84qkzcMk4

is this you?

hey,chernobyl!
what's up?

When were they not allowed to claim their heritage? They've been claiming their heritage since before the US existed as a polity. Ben Franklin was extolling the sublime virtues of the Anglo-Saxon race and critiquing the "swarthy" masses of Europe as early as the 1760s IIRC.

ITT a leaf that doesn't understand what it means to have other people assimilate to your culture.
you know that a lot of people thought angolas, mozambicans,etc to be portuguese right? If someone acknowledges portugal, its culture, language, traditions, history and works for the best of the country they are indeed portuguese. Only a racist won't accept that. OP never made a question of if he is or isn't ethnically portuguese so why are you arguing that?

OP here,just enjoyjing the shitshow I created.i was raised in kindergartens and practically spent most of my young youth outside my house,my brother speaks much better ukrainian because he lived some time in ukraine and had to speak ukrainian with my parents.i on the other hand could speak with my mother and brother in portuguese,my father when he came to portugal he spoke ukrainian with my brother and mother and english/portuguese with me.we agreed that he would learn portuguese so i didn't have to learn ukrainian

>ITT a leaf that doesn't understand what it means to have other people assimilate to your culture
Except I do understand and I have never once stated that OP is culturally out of place in Portugal. Either you cannot read or this is scarcely more than a strawman.

>OP never made a question of if he is or isn't ethnically portuguese so why are you arguing that?
Yet he did respond to my post about him not being ethnically Portuguese. That's why I'm arguing about this.

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I don't feel out of place ethnically in portugal,i have brown eyes and fair light brown hair,people don't notice it until they notice my surname.
of course my genetical background is all ukrainian but i still fit like a glove...

Nah, go fuck yourself.

Ukrainians are cool, comparing them to blacks is just insulting.

Phenotype is not ethnicity.

>of course my genetical background is all ukrainian but i still fit like a glove...
So not like a glove at all. In fact, you'd stick out like a neon sign.