Anti Net Neutrality thread

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wired.com/2011/01/metropcs-net-neutrality-challenge/
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washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/fcc-fines-verizon-125m-for-blocking-tethering-apps/2012/07/31/gJQAXjRLNX_blog.html
freepress.net/press-release/99480/att-blocking-iphones-facetime-app-would-harm-consumers-and-break-net-neutrality
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mfw all inbred neo-nazi bootlickers are no longer able to access Sup Forums and /r/The_Donald/ because of Ajit Pai.

I'm giddy with anticipation.

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doesnt reddit love TPP and hate net neutrality now

I think reddit doesn't know what it loves or hates, shit show of a website

I doubt it's even possible to pay $50 without getting 1/1 gbps where I live.

Even worse

Cringe like this?

when internet atheists try to talk about economics........

>when internet atheists try to talk about economics........
You don't belong here.
>atheists
Where? Keep projecting edgy redditor
>economics
It's like you haven't finished high school yet..

Dumb phoneposter

10/10 worst post ever

>posters : 12
>replies : 16
U du teh meth

Can someone please post the main disadvantages of net neutrality? And besides having less regulations, the benefits of not having it?

Ok, I'm prepared to change my mind about this, but 'less regulations' means 99% of the cases 'more power to the powerful'.

Thats a perfectly fine ratio, you delusional inbred Sup Forumsfuck.
I hate those low effort retarded memes you spread.

Why the fuck are there 10 threads about net neutrality up, for fucks sake

The reddit invasion

>easily-manipulated children who cannot think for themselves

Sup Forums now has more teenagers than ever who let the site itself dictate their political beliefs

Libertards can't argue beyond "muh gubbmints" and "muh regulation bad mmmkay". If you try to ask them why this sepcific regulation is bad, they're just going to resort to namecalling with "libtard", "commie" and "pinko" and then giving some vague notion about how all government regulation is bad.

Those are ancaps who think all regulations are a communist plot

I heard there were ill-effects of the neutrality law that would benefit its demise.

>freedom for ISPs to cuck their customers
>"free market" when ISPs are blatant monopolies
>ameritards actually want this
Fucking lmao, I knew americans are retarded but holy shit, this is a whole new level.

>same packet
>different destination IP
>somehow it costs more to deliver it
Are you fucking retarded? Other things have tiers because you get a service that is actually more expensive to provide.

the packet may be the same, but the users sending the packet also pay for certain levels of service beyond bandwidth, including a latency guarantee (especially for stuff like telemedicine, finance, etc)

This!
America should require a license in order to let people use the internet, they can't even spell their own language

Your wrong! #maga

We don't want something like a TV license for owning a device with internet connectivity. That's pure cuckoldry.

There was no law. It was a presidential decree in 2015. It's being un-decreed now.

They're basically erecting a huge regulatory regime to stop an abuse that's never actually happened. And the Web was around for 25 years before NN was created and there was never a problem.

I see. I remember that Verizon and the likes were throttling netflix and such, right before this, though. Won't this occur again without the decree in affect?

>And besides having less regulations, the benefits of not having it?

That's really all the reason I need.

>Other things have tiers because you get a service that is actually more expensive to provide.

>He thinks that value is proportional to COGS

Go read an economics textbook

All this hyperbolic sperging by non-americans......

That had to do with peering bandwidth; the peering between Netflix and some ISPs didn't have enough bandwidth to handle peak Netflix traffic. There's nothing network neutrality can do to force companies to widen their pipes. Ultimately, the problem was that Netflix was trying to cheap out on their bandwidth bills and expecting consumers to pressure ISPs into bearing the costs of Netflix's extra traffic (when virtually every other service pays for their own bandwidth).

Netflix eventually solved the issue with CDNs. Network neutrality had nothing to do with it.

your're*

why can't the internet just stay the way it is right now?

TL;DR
>gonna get fucked in the ass by telcos
>but le Trump says it is good and evil libdems and sjws and shillarys did something
>go on have my asshole old fat men

Reddit still loves net neutrality, with the exception of T_D.

>Network neutrality had nothing to do with it.
So why the retarded fear mongering?

The problem is that FCC unilaterally redefined internet service under a regime that allows for micromanaging of various aspects of internet service, then promised that they totally weren't going to use all that power they gave themselves to do more than implement NN. If you read Title II of the Telecommunications Act you'll begin to understand why that much power becomes dangerous.

> libdems
Go away limey.

I'm assuming it's just people buying into MSM narratives of "Anything non-liberal government bodies do is bad", or back then it was the MSM's narrative of "Anything to get liberal laws passed must be pushed into the public mind". That's all television is good for nowadays, informing the public with ideas that support their causes.

Is this a hypothetical scenario, or does internet access with latency guarantees exist? If so, how is it related to net neutrality?

>the TV licence meme again
when will americucks learn about the outside world?

To all the commie faggots ITT. The FCC is a million times worse than a corporation. With a corporation you have a slight chance that you can boycott them or that competition will emerge to force them to change. Corporations can go out of business if they don't please their customers. You CAN'T boycott the government, the government has no COMPETITION, the government can run a bloated mismanaged shitshow and raise taxes and literally print more money and have no fear or incentive to do a good job. If anything they have more incentive to fuck up a situation and then they can say "oh shit this is so fucked that we need billions more to fix it" while they skim off the top and fuck tax payers. fuck off and go back to r/sandersforpresident you fucking commie scum or better yet please go live in a commie utopia that you masterbate about like North Korea.

>Makes fun of Americans for losing government regulation
>Someone points out an example of government regulation going too far in their country
>"Y- You don't know what you're talking about!! C- Cuck-a-doodle-doo!!"
>>>/Ręddit/

it should be part of the SLA for commercial/enterprise accounts, and would be explicitly specified, say, for financial traders that need response times on the order of a few milliseconds, for instance

You are right at that.

You deserve cuckoldry see your average poster

Libertarians are the same but not honest

ancap here, I'm prepared to answer any and all questions about why ANY sort of government regulation is bad
Also monopolies fundamentally wouldn't exist in a free market, the only reason ISPs are monopolies right now is, surprisingly, because of government regulations

It may be a stupid question, but is it even technologically feasible to guarantee x milliseconds of latency when the packets may have to go to a differrent country through a network owned by a different ISP?

because (very) high quality streamimg is becoming a thing, and ISPs don't want to treat people that stream 1Gb/s the same as someone that does 1000+ times less that

They shouldn't sell a 1Gb/s package then.

Why not? If others can afford it and are willing to pay a larger price for it, they totally should, just charge more for it
The main issue is that shit like Netflix and other companies that have lobbyists in the government KNOW that they can get a better deal if the government controls more of the internet

Pretty certain that's not an American.

Which regulatory body, FCC or FTC, has a wider mandate to not regulate content of Internet, and which regulatory body, FCC or FTC, has wider consumer protection framework, and which regulatory bod, FCC or FTC, has a long running history of actively censoring media?

And then, based on the answers you got, under which regulatory body would ISP itself be more well protected from scrutiny of the people?

Which regulation under which regulatory body guaranteed government protection for ISP monopoly and/or cartel?

Under which regulatory body are the rights of the ISP rated equal or higher than rights of consumer - and which regulatory body offers less consumer protection, FCC or FTC?

Which regulatory body has a history of actively searching out cases against companies to protect rights of the people and customer, FCC or FTC?

Research these questions and differences. You might be surprised what is the result!

>be 6 years on Sup Forums
>Sup Forums is paranoid as shit all year round, every single thing the US Gov does gets shit upon to oblivion
>Net Neutrality becomes a talking point
>Somehow the entire board speeds the fuck up and shitton of people defend Government interference in the Internet
If this isn't blatant shilling I don't know what is

They are paranoid because they don't understand differences between FTC and FCC, history of censorship by one of them, nor have they read the regulations both bodies have to abide by.

Google is scared because FTC has a history of diving into their shit.

This week, for example: Missouri Attorney General, Josh Hawley, a Republican, has announced an antitrust probe into Google, given its unaccountable dominant control over Missourians’ private data, others’ property and others’ commercial opportunity.

>This probe follows a bipartisan call in 2016 for the Federal Trade Commission to reopen its antitrust investigation of Google, by D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine, a Democrat, and Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes, a Republican.

Why do people think internet packages will be a thing? Thats not how the internet was before net neutrality

hey, im from mexico and i pay $620MXN or about $30USD and I get 50/50Mbps. this chart is wrong

Gaslighting and paranoia worked wonders. ISPs want to have government protection and say for example Google benefits from parts of the regulation too.

If you want your rights truly protected, regulation is the worst way for it for it is not done through proper process of legislative branch.

>Government is trying to coerce Google into handig them over the unauthorized data they have, while already using said data by PRISM
Wow what a fucking shitshow

>mfw people still haven't learned of 10000 years that regulation is bad
>mfw people think the same government Google buys and owns is on their side

kys 56%

People are getting fed shit from 95% of internet news sources because said 95% of news sources is pro-socialist or pro-govt in general amd WANTS the internet to be regulated
The other 5% against net neutrality is probably monopolies or libertarians
I for one can't see how people can still after all this time defend government regulation

Verizon throttled Netflix because Netflix wasn't paying for the immense load caused by streaming, which caused Verizon customers like the gov and hospitals to have crippled speed.

Does this look like the face of a man who doesn't have your best interests at heart??

Only advice that I can give, and I hope everyone does it is to take a research trip into FTC and FCC as regulatory bodies, and then compare their regulations and actions, their legal frameworks and history.
All will be clear once you do this.

>inb4. bunch of cry babies come screaming how their latest Stranger Things is more important than hospital traffic.

All those people hating the US in here feels a lot like a raid desu

Verizon is censoring the Internet!!!

nice picture, goy

(((Captcha))) trying to silence the truth!

Probably paid attack from all those people who will stand to loose shit from this, meaning ISPs, Google, Netflix etc.

>mfw a bunch of regards bitch how greedy corporations don't upgrade their cables but they don't even know that Germany is smaller than Montana and it would be fiscally impossible for Americans to have gigabit speed because of the massive amount of land all while thinking Netflix did nothing wrong by being cheapskates

Pls stop raiding this nice board Sup Forums.

This man wants to grope innovation and american jobs like he gropes women

America is shit

Remember when Comcast blocked torrenting?

Net Neutrality stops them from doing that shit again.

Internet should not be regulated by corporations.

Get out Sup Forums shills

America the idea and the philosophy is invincible
America the result of ignorance and malice over the last century is shit.

The only way for a normal person to benefit from any of this is to shoot up the government and the ISP owners.
It's a power struggle between two powerful bodies. The ISPs are ready to abuse the power for money and the government is ready to abuse the power for population control in the form of information warfare.
Whatever happens, the people lose.

Ok so I just read some of that since you were kind enough to point it out
So generally speaking, large corporations get checked for invading people's privacy AND the US govt doesn't get to manage the ISPs?
Something MUST be obviously wrong here, sounds too good for me senpai

Remember when Netflix was so cheap and shit that by using a shit ton of bandwidth hospitals etc couldnt get their packets across so Verizon throttled it?

Gov is a proxy
Its a war between companies and companies
One side doesn't want to pay for using more bandwitch (Netflix, google)
The other doesn't want to be forced by the state to be raped by Netflix and google

I have a job so this really doesn't bother me that much...

>One side doesn't want to pay for using more bandwitch (Netflix, google)
>The other doesn't want to be forced by the state to be raped by Netflix and google
and neither the ISPs or content-providers want to be raped by consumer rights and FTC holds larger legal framework to protect consumer and has a history of protecting the consumer.

Where as FCC has a history of censoring media content in Radio and Television and it just sank its teeth into Internet.

Large corporations are the government
They're one in the same
The government isn't trustworthy you dolt
The ones spying on you aren't Facebook or google
Its big brother

Daily reminder that this ENTIRE shitshow about Net Neutrality as a law started during the Obama era, same as Prism, which was joined by companies that generally stand to gain from NN law

it's their cables that you're using to torrent bukkake, user.

stop shilling, comcast faggot

>America the idea and the philosophy is invincible

No, It's shit. Pursuit of Happiness as alienable right is an horrible idea, because happiness is subjective.

I'm not for NN, and frankly the FTC and FCC are unconstitutional
Why should the government protect consumers?

>The ones spying on you aren't facebook and google
They have monetary gain by literally selling off my private data.
I'm not defending the US govt by any means, nor am I defending ISP monopolies
I just prefer ISPs being the ONLY ones knowing what shit I do, also I'm NOT EVER willing to pay for regulations that help out companies like Google or Facebook
I dont use that shit and I sure as hell ain't paying for it

That's the point retard
You're theoretically free to do what you want and the government can't stop you
What's wrong with that? That's obviously not how it works today though

- Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it. cnet.com/news/telco-agrees-to-stop-blocking-voip-calls/
- Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.
-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones. fortune.com/2009/04/03/group-asks-fcc-to-probe-iphone-skype-restrictions/
- MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. wired.com/2011/01/metropcs-net-neutrality-challenge/
-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. businessinsider.com/verizon-blocking-google-wallet-2011-12
, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/fcc-fines-verizon-125m-for-blocking-tethering-apps/2012/07/31/gJQAXjRLNX_blog.html
, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money. freepress.net/press-release/99480/att-blocking-iphones-facetime-app-would-harm-consumers-and-break-net-neutrality
, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place. savetheinternet.com/blog/2013/09/18/verizons-plan-break-internet
>And of course, my personal favorite
>>pcworld.com/article/169079/ATT_Blocks_Sup Forums_Stirs_Internet_Hornets_Nest.html
>Man, it's almost like ISPs were trying to get away with more and more fucked up shit until it escalated to the point that the government made a law shutting it all down finally.