Net Neutrality questions

With all the stuff going on about Net Neutrality. I was wondering what you guys think about it??

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if it aint broke dont fix it

i fkn hate pradeeps

Repost from another thread:
This is why I want Net Neutrality to die

No Net Neutrality = slower speeds according to the shills.
slower speeds = js shit doesn't load and people stop visiting those sites because they don't work
people not visiting sites = site owners panic because they need to get more clicks.
Need to get more clicks + slower internet = ditching website bloat and getting back to mostly HTML shit.
Ditching website bloat = happy anons!

Removing net neutrality for the sake of less government regulations is a fucking paradox, a simple lie.

you're advocating slower internet speeds?

Don't ask Sup Forums.
More and more Sup Forums has their head so far up they're fucking asses that they'll support getting legally fucked by mega corps if it's the opposite popular opinion of Reddit.
Its getting to being iconoclastic to the point of absurdity.

I'm advocating them as a tool to get webdevs to stop making bloated shit, which satisfies Sup Forums's autism

lol, see replies to

>removing regulations for the sake of removing regulations is a paradox
Let me know when you graduate 3rd grade, user

I would be lying if I I said this didn't appeal to me a little bit. Sup Forums would be fine as it is predominantly text anyway

Glad I gave you something to think about

Sup Forums might be "fine" but what about the influx of faggots coming from sites that got fucked way harder?

Not a worthwhile tradeoff if you ask me.

I cant wait until communist neutrality gets repealed. Anyone in favor of net neutrality usually has a sub 90 IQ running on a Mac

All us Sup Forums.org cool kids are against it.
Opposing Net Neutrality is very Fidget Spinner right now. Anyone who says otherwise is a le Redditor.

Freedom. Bad websites should stop their bad business practices because people don't like it (and thus stop visiting), NOT because ISPs bully people into not visiting the websites.
literally can't tell which mega corps you mean. Verizon and co., or Google and co.?
ad hominem
ad hominem
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>ad hominem
With someone as stupid as you, any criticism against your thoughts is a direct reflection of your sub par intelligence
There is no win win here

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>literally can't tell which mega corps you mean. Verizon and co., or Google and co.?
You know the one it applies to, don't play dumb, its the owner of the lines. And this matters going top to bottom, from the consumer floor ISPs like Comcast to back bone internet like Level 3.
All because it coincidentally falls in to the interest of entities like Google as well as you does not mean it is bad.
If it gets striked down, every one but the people who own the lines loses.

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ad hominem.
Verizon shills don't actually know why they want to repeal net neutrality. They just know that anyone who doesn't want to repel it must be poor, uneducated or from reddit. Right?

Did they vote today or something? My normie CS classmates were flipping their lid over something today.

By the way. You can really tell that these verizon shills aren't normal Sup Forums users, because they use outdated memes and sayings. Who still calls people "Reddit"? It's all about "cucks" and "soy boys" now.
If you want to shill effectively, you have to say something like
"Only soy boys want net neutrality"
or
"if you like net neutrality, you probably like watching tyrone fuck your wife you cuck"

Reddit doesnt know what net neutrality even is.
They've never read the regulations, or the FCC plan in regard to removing them.

If you're so caught up on it, explain then to the unwashed here

The internet is the most important human invention, it could set us back a long way if corporate fuckers ruin it.

this literally will never happen

>reddit fag trying to tell anons what memes they can use

>the law says it'll stifle competition because regulations r bad

Explain what the regulations are you fuck tard

Just go ask Sup Forums. Not even joking.

sarcasm

hard to tell if its a circle jerk or not. i've heard people say that netflix takes up 70% of the bandwidth of the internet, so i can kind of understand ISPs wanting to be able to say "if you're going to be streaming video 10 hours a day, maybe you shouldn't pay the same as people who just browse image boards"

>Who still calls people "Reddit"
t. Newfag redditor
I call out and see people call out redditors all the time. Yeah that spacing meme is stupid but it's pretty easy to tell when someone's fresh of the boat just by the way they carry themselves. Argue with people about NN all you want, user - just don't make up bullshit like you just did to do so.

POO IN IT

zdnet.com/article/while-india-protects-net-neutrality-an-indian-origin-american-seeks-to-destroy-it/

All I know about Net Neutrality is that the Government stops ISPs from throttling anything and that the internet is classified as a public utility rather than a luxury which is likely seperate from Net Neutrality itself.
My guess is the only reason why ISPs would want to repeal it is so they can make up losses from lobbying and the fact that t.v. is dying. My big concern is the upgrade in broadband infrastructure and the expansion of it which I can pretty much assume is not gonna happen as a result of this.

The GOP sold the burgers out.
Again.
Who's surprised?

But you already paid up front for the bandwidth.
Net Neutrality does NOT prevent ISPs from capping your bandwidth, and that is a fair metric for the cost an internet connection.
What it does prevent is them doing deep packet inspection on lets say, your upload to a server for offsite backups, bittorrent, etc and throttles/kills it based off of the type of data you're sending if it's not on it's approved list, and legally gives them the right to charge more for sending or receiving specific types of data.
Whats in does not cover AT ALL protections aginst these acts. People use netflix and Steam as examples because people are widely familier with them, but for that exact reason these services will likely never be messed with as it would cause too much of a shit storm. But that big data transfer between you and a friend? Thats not a popular service, they can fuck with it how ever they see fit.
Remember, you ALREADY pay for your bandwidth today. You're already on a fair metric.

>N-nothing will happen if NN is repealed, you r-redditor!

Net Neutrality is bad


For too long, people have wasted their speed and bandwidth on downloading porn. With Net neutrality gone, we can now restore a fully christian nation who abhors the sin of masturbation. We will restore the common good of people by banishing the evils of chinese cartoons and foreign influence. With Net Neutrality gone, we can finally go back to the good old days of feudalism.

fuck off 12 year old LARPer

I think most people are completely fucking retarded in their arguments in favor of the regulations.

What is torrenting and piracy going to look like post Net Neutrality?

Having data caps would make more sense than repealing net neutrality in that case. If someone is using shitloads of data then what does it matter what they’re using it on? Should someone who downloads 2TB a month from Netflix be charged more than someone who downloads the same amount of data from some other source? How would that make any logical sense at all?

>nn gets repealed
>isps get caught pulling shit
>the ftc comes down on their shit
Why do you idiots pretend nixing nn somehow means there's no more regulation at all?

A lot of deep packet inspection for throttling was done but lightly here and there because they didn't want to run a muck with the feds since the law behind it was dubious. They want do do it badly but they didn't know if it would blow up in their faces legally.
Net Nutrality put a stop to that but if/when it's repealed then they KNOW they wont be fined for doing it so no holds bar, they'll inspect every packet that goes thru and slow if not kill the connections that are bandwidth intensive and not on their approval list. Pirating will likely take a hit due to so much combing of data.

any BT packets coming from your machine will be outright refused by your ISP's closest backbone router, and you'll have a subpoena in your mailbox the following business day. i wish i was fearmongering. this is what Comcast wants.

you expect people to put thought into their decisions and beliefs?

How does one sink fangs in to an industry when they're defanging themselves?
The only way things will change after this is an act of congress, the FCC is basically removing themselves from the picture with the removal of net neutrality in all the same act because under this chair's opinion the FCC should have never had the legal right to enact it.

>trust us, goy, nothing will change and everything will remain the same after net neutrality is gone. We’ve just pumping millions a year over the past decade into getting it overturned for no reason at all!

Antitrust IS NOT net neutrality

The FTC doesn't have the knowledge to decide what is and isn't anti-competitive online you fucking pleb.

you sound like a redditor desu

Your post IS NOT an argument

>post non-argument
>expect anything but a non-argument in return

>Just go ask Sup Forums. Not even joking.
>90% of the the anti-net-neutrality arguments are " but m-muh ple-plebbit"
>anti-net-neutrality argument with any amount of substance is a fucking reddit post
How ironic.

That sounds about right. I assume that a VPN wouldn't do much. Is there anything one can do against deep packet inspection or am I fucked?

the government created the internet. they should get to regulate it.

SHA512 VPN to another country.
Your bandwidth may be killed to late 2000s ADSL but at least your connection will likely not be outright killed.
I'm fearing that having a VPN will become the new norm if you do anything past normie shit (Facebook, youtube, etc) on the internet.
I move a lot of data because I like to do regular offsite backups of my shit, after 2 hard drive crashes there is no way I'm not doing it. But I do fear my upload is going to get thrashed even though it's not even good to begin with.

Well, the Internet or Web was made with the idea of Net Neutrality. This Technical point.
But I can't understand political bullshit. In Sup Forums side they want end Net Neutrality because "muh free market" but don't look like want to end other regulations how to help to keep the monopoly. And same time wants a regulated market to social networks.
On Reddit side...Ah no one gives a fuck about reddit.
In the end of day I like net neutrality but I think FCC is a problem.
Sayonara Burgers.

>I like net neutrality
basically the same thing as saying "i am a low IQ subhuman"

gr8 meme bud, screencap this and show your fellow shadilay magapedes on pol for me, will ya

>I don't like net neutrality
basically the same thing as saying "i am a low IQ subhuman and suck niggers cocks for crack"

>be me
>be capitalist
>understand how the market works
>"ayy lmao, must be a poltard"
i cant wait till the repeal of NN gets retards like you off this website

>"ayy lmao charging more for people who stream pointless normie tv shows 24/7 and charging less for everyone else who doesnt abuse the system is a bad thing you retard, ayy lmao"

Shut up, nigga lover. Go back to Detroit.

>be me
>be capitalist
>be a faggot who thinks massive conglomerate that owns everything from the pipes to the content i consume will have my best interests at heart and offer me the best deal possible when they are already in a monopolistic position in the market
i cant wait until you can only access this site under Comcast's Special Adult Package for only $9.99/month! it's a great deal!

do other countries have it?
how does it work for yurop?

>when your argument gets completely destroyed so you have to resort to memes

>use meme
>get memes back
>lol you are using just memes
I got AIDS from niggars, user.

>uneducated poorfag tries to explain how the "big evil corporations" will extract money from everyone when in 2015 there was no NN and everything worked perfectly fine
>mfw google, microsoft, amazon, netflix, apple, snapchat, twitter, and all other tech titans grew to massive behemoths during a period without NN
>inb4 user says "muh evil corps" when i bring up the titans

>putting little size megacorps was equals to AT&T
Even MS doesn't have a monopoly was AT&T had until her division.

Don't run, user, now got AIDS from niggars I can be against net neutrality, as you. Shallom.

It's a non issue on healthy ISP markets.
Which means the americans are fucked.

But the worst part of it is if gets proven that normies don't actually care for the internet at large and will gladly pay for access to only youtube and facebook.

the googles/facebooks/snapchats aren't required to access the internet.

do you just like scan the bullet-point list that verizon gives you and not even bother to read the cowshit they give you?

...Wait, wait. How will the normies access their favorite porn site? They can't just buy a porn package.

Net Neutrality was in law up until 2014 when Verizon sued FCC, stating that they didn't have the right to enforce it as they weren't Title II. So in 2015 they got reclassified.

Looks like it's back to jerking off to semi nude video game characters from the box art, 2003 style.

It isn't so bad.

Or having a pokemon magazine under the bed.

>uneducated underageb& thinks we didn't have net neutrality before 2015 and doesn't understand the context leading up to the FCC's decision to classify ISPs as common carriers
>tries to call others uneducated
like pottery

>buy 50Mbit/s unlimited
>fully use what I paid for

>stop abusing the system you retard this is why net neutrality needs to be repealed

Ok.

A little imagination and an hour of on and off meat beating is the anthem of our generation.

Can't believe these tech illiterate mongs think that downloading data from Netflix is fundamentally different from downloading it from anywhere else. Here in the US we're already cucked with data caps to keep people from being """data hogs""". Anyone who believes that people are "abusing the system" by using their 1 TB/month on streaming Netflix instead of using it on something else is an absolute retard

>responses from ISP shills have started to slow
I can only hope and pray they've finally realized how fucking nonsensical their points were and they're experiencing cognitive dissonance.

Can't believe these tech illiterate mongs don't understand router queues and how streaming video saturates them at the expense of other traffic, or how the QoS could fix the problem if it weren't illegal because of net neutrality.

>everything worked perfectly fine

Many companies violated NN laws before it became an official thing and were called out on it. The US has worse internet than many developing countries because of shittastic ISPs, and it'll only get worse when NN inevitably gets repealed because some poo in loo stands to profit from big daddy Verizon.

It actually is.
Internet is sold as "cocaine" so to speak.
They buy like 100MBPS for like 5k dollars per month, then they sell 1000 ((20MBPS)) connections for 50 bucks.
The idea is that 1), normies will not use their 20MBPS the whole time, and 2) you can cache the whole shit.
When a normie access his normiebook, basically the only thing that will be pulled from the "real internet" is the new posts and new pictures.
The whole rest will be pulled out of a cache that won't touch the real fiber.
But when you download files via torrent or watch netflix, they can't cache that, so it's always coming from the real deal.

Isn't Netflix, just like Cloudflare, offering ISPs caching servers for free?

They still have to pay for the the cloudflare->isp link.
Unless the service is to install a local cloudflare/netflix server, which would be a great deal.

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why do internet companies feel that this is acceptable?

the correct answer is whatever gives corporations the least amount of power and control

lmao. I'd rather have my 100/100 connection than that.

Exactly. We never had these "net neutrality" laws until a couple years ago. Feels good to go back to basics :)

i pay $100 for this, but the extra 35$ over what i paid spectrum back in NY is worth it for dl speed.

even if the ul speed is exactly the same.

How is it any different than when someone saturates their bandwidth by torrenting or downloading any other type of data? Because less people use it for that?

We've given $400 billion to ISPs and they were supposed to use it to roll out a nationwide fiber network but they actually just pocketed the money while doing jack shit, and now they've convinced you that it's video streamers' fault that your internet is slow and that things will be so much better without net neutrality. When in reality incumbent ISPs have been overselling their lines for years while refusing to upgrade to keep up with increasing demand for data use. ISPs are pulling in record profits with stock prices at an all-time high and now they want to double-dip on content providers, meanwhile no word on that fiber network we were supposed to have.... burgers are the biggest fucking cucks in the world

>regulation you've been abusing
Explain. They either pay for bandwidth, have a peering agreement or use their own infrastructure. In what way were they abusing net neutrality?

It's funny because it's true but it's also not funny because it's true.

Le Reddit

>I hate Ajit Pai and the FCC so much, I want the previously unregulated internet to be regulated by them.