Apple sued in France, one of the only countries where planned obsolescence is explicitly illegal

thelocal.fr/20171228/french-lawsuit-launched-against-apple-for-alleged-crime-of-slowing-down-iphones

>A French activist group has launched a criminal lawsuit against Apple over its policy of slowing down older iPhones in a case that could see the tech giant 's executives jailed and cost it five percent of its income if convicted of the crime of "planned obsolescence".

>The move by Halte à l’Obsolescence Programmée (HOP - Stop Planned Obsolescence), an environmental association, comes after lawsuits were launched this week in the US against Apple for similar reasons.

>The suit was filed on Wednesday in the Paris prosecutor’s office, HOP said in a statement.

>“Apple has put in place a global strategy of programmed obsolescence in order to boost its sales” of new iPhones, the group said.

>HOP believes that the US firm can be sued over the sale of all iPhones in France since the introduction of a law in August 2015 that made it a crime to “deliberately reduce the lifespan of a product to increase the rate of replacement.”

>It believes Apple could be liable for a fine in line with the value of all its iPhone French sales since the law came into force.

>The suit will be heard in a criminal court if prosecutors decide it is legitimate.

>The maximum penalty is a prison sentence of two years, a fine of up to 300,000 euros, and five percent of the firm’s annual turnover.

I think the lawsuits launched against Apple will play a significant role in the flourishing of open source hardware, software and smartphone projects. The lesson we should take from here is that companies will always work against the interests of their customers, so they should not have the luxury of taking our money to sell us paperweights.

Why the fuck does everyone use Sup Forums to repost pleddit?

>I think the lawsuits launched against Apple will play a significant role in the flourishing of open source hardware, software and smartphone projects
It won't.

Apple will pay some fines in the few countries where what they did is actually illegal, and everything will continue as it always has.

>be tasteless niggering monkey
>buy apple because I'z be too dumb to choose anything, and they'll choose errything in my place
>apple makes choice that old battery should last all day, even if it means phone becomes slower
>chimp out, like a tasteless niggering monkey
who would have guessed???

also, planned obsolescence isn't a thing
what is a thing is cheap cunts not wanting to spend what it takes to get state of the art products, and being fucktarded enough to end up salty about what they get for what they spend

>I think the lawsuits launched against Apple will play a significant role in the flourishing of open source hardware, software and smartphone projects.

What did you just start using computers a couple years ago? This type of thing has been happening for at least the last 2 decades. The goyim never learn.

apple argues they were doing it to extend the usable time period for batteries and therefore it is an environmental consideration

go back to your containment thread please

underage detected

hang yourself, applenigger

id still fuck her

>also, planned obsolescence isn't a thing
What ever Apple bootlicker

>apple purposely gimps last years phone in order to get people to buy new phones
>nooooooo that's not planned obsolescence, that's just you being a cheap ass

what does this meme girl pic mean

ITT: apple fanboys saying apple can do no wrong and android fanboys saying apple is the devil
i hate Sup Forums

I don't give a fuck about Apple, but I do give a fuck about excessive government regulations infringing on a company's right to take part in a free market.

>>apple purposely gimps last years phone
because appleniggers ask apple to make choices in their place, and they're worthless animals enough for a slower phone working all day being a reasonable option, seeing they won't do shit with it anyway
that they dare complaining they get precisely what they asked for, times and times again, proves appleniggers should not even remotely be considered actual Humans anyway

it's not a free market, like obama said "you didn't build that," a company takes advantage of too many things from taxpayers and the government to be given free reign to do anything

>like obama said "you didn't build that,
Obama is a disgusting freedom hating socialist.

>a company takes advantage of too many things from taxpayers and the government to be given free reign to do anything
Taxation is theft anyway.

...

there's something in the middle between ancap memes and marxism, it's called regulated capitalism

>regulated capitalism
That's an oxymoron and even the fact that you are able to suspend reason in order to utter such a thing, is a perverse distortion of reality.

t. edgy teen who unironically believes taxation is theft

>regulated capitalism
ie state capitalism
ie socialism
and socialists get the helicopter ride too

Hello, I think you should shut up and never post again, have a nice day

Taxation *is* theft. It's what used to be called vassal in the middle ages. Basic universal human rights dictates that you are a free and independent human being and nobody should be able to coerce you to anything.

Hello, I think you should get your looting hands chopped off, have a nice day.

> open source hardware

LMAO. The current open source hardware can't even compete with a Commodore 64 from 1982. Get real.

>ie state capitalism
But that's absolutely wrong

Not an argument.

>acknowledging the fact that you are forced to pay taxes means that you're edgy
You should read up on economic history. When Franklin said that the only things certain in life were death and taxes, he was making a sarcastic comment you know.

iToddlers have defended this.

The ancaps are correct though, Apple should not specifically be targeted for planned obsolescence as ALL tech companies do it. Going only after Apple reveals the weakness of the system, as government is unable to actually prove it for other companies despite the fact we all know it's going on.

Companies should rather be free to make their products in such a way, and merely be required to inform their customers about this practice.

you're absolutely wrong

they are defending the throttling of the cpu to conserve battery
they aren't defending apple stores telling you that you have to change your phone, and they aren't defending planned obsolescence, which this isn't

And by "inform their customers about this practice", I mean that these companies should say something about expected lifetime of their products. It's the only fair action.

Good. No Apple for frenchtards anymore.

About what? The fact that some regulations do not equate state capitalism? Do you even know what state capitalism is?

>t. iToddler

>Do you even know what state capitalism is?
I live in France, one of the last socialist countries on Earth, so yeah, I quite know, indeed.

t. green bubbles that no woman would ever chat with

>only apple products have planned obsolescence
Look at this naive and gullible cuck.

>Taxation is theft anyway.
Please stop using all tax funded things now if you believe that. You'll realize quickly how taxes can be a good thing

>>only apple products have planned obsolescence
This.

So what am I wrong about?

Vassalization is in no way comparable to taxation. Every society has and uses taxes. The constitution gives the government the power to levy and collect taxes

>Please stop using all tax funded things now if you believe that.
I would if I didn't pay taxes, but seeing how I already do I don't see how it would prove a point.

>You'll realize quickly how taxes can be a good thing
Virtually every public service in my country and town is privatised anyway. The municipality is actually just an ineffective and massively bureaucratic middle man. I mean, the apartment owners in my block already pay extra for utilities such as garbage removal, since the service provided by the municipality (also from another private company) is unreliable. So I pay taxes for a service I don't use.

Same with subsidised kindergartens, I send my kids of to a unsubsidised day care which I privately arranged anyway, so I pay taxes for other people's children going to kindergarten.

It's just fucking perverse and an affront to basic human rights.

>Vassalization is in no way comparable to taxation.
Of course it is, it is its direct descendant.

>Every society has and uses taxes.
Not an argument for taxation.

>The constitution gives the government the power to levy and collect taxes
Not an argument for taxation.

>well, the constitution gives the government the power to prosecute and imprison all jews, so I guess we should continue to do that

you said regulated capitalism isn't state capitalism
it is
and state capitalism is socialism
which makes regulated capitalism just sheer socialism, want it or not

How is it state capitalism? State capitalism is when most, if not all major companies in a country's economy are owned and run by the state. "Regulated capitalism", more widely known as capitalism, is when companies are owned by private entities and have to abide by a set of laws.
Can't believe I have to point these things out to a grown person.

pls be b8

>need to make special laws specific to different industries in order to force privately owned companies to do the government's biddings
There should be only one law, constitution should dictate basic citizen rights and penal/criminal law should derive directly from it. Regulating the market by inventing legislation out of thin air is just absurd.

>t. green bubbles that no roastie would ever chat with
fix'd

>pulling such fucktarded concepts as planned obsolescence out of your ass to blackmail companies is perfectly reasonable, particularly when said company just did what their customers just asked, ie make choices in their stead
wew
the only things laws should take care of are those concerning natural rights: self and material ownership

Cool opinions dood. Not an argument for anything you've said before though :(

>sad, alone, shitposting on a Azerbaijan coral diving forum AND blaming women for their shortcomings in life
That's MRA for ya.

I'm not the guy you're responding to, I'm just pointing out the absurdity in the oxymoron you call "regulated capitalism". It's really a perverse distortion of reality to believe that such a system could exist without infringing on your liberty.

I've never said if I support it or not. I just wanted to point out that saying that capitalism, even if it's heavily regulated, is the same thing as state capitalism is blatantly wrong.

Not him, but you're wrong.

What shall it be called then? And liberty is a very abstract concept that changes from person to person. Sometimes you have to compromise. Sure, ancapistan would be an ideological heaven for many people, but it would be a horrible place to live irl.
Him, but how so?

> A French activist group
I usually hate activists because they take shit way to seriously it's almost scary. But at the same time i want to see apple crash and burn so i don't mind

and I tell you that the state role is not to regulate capitalism
only to enforce it, ie to ensure that thieves get what they deserve (apple, as much as I despise them and their users, didn't steal from anyone, here: they actually just provided their clients with what they themselves buy apple shit for: itjustwerks with as little choice as possible, to do as bland and stupid things as possible, that for which sacrificing speed for battery is very reasonable)
regulations aim at preventing things to do what they do on their own (for instance, here, preventing people from realizing that the very reason they buy apple shit is despicable to start with, and that if they don't like the way their ass is wiped for them, they should just vote with their shekels)

And who are you to say what the role of the state is? Sure, I get it, it's your idea of the perfect system, and that's cool, but it's not an objective and universal truth.

because as soon as the state does more than ensuring natural rights, it always and ever becomes a noxious tyranny

I really don't get it, can someone to a brainlet the joke?

Give me an example of a current state that does not regulate the economy in any way, such as health regulations, taxes, quality control and so on.
Or are you implying that every single government in the world is tyranny?

>are you implying that every single government in the world is tyranny?
obviously
states came to be after people started giving shekels to some lord in exchange for his protection, when that lord came to get a monopoly on the protection
the only differences between said lord and a mafia godfather being people willingly gave the moneyz, and that the lord wasn't protecting them from himself but from actual thugs
and seeing as at least the willing part of the shekel giving hasn't been a thing for shitloads of times, states are way past walking the thin tyranny line

Lmao = laughing my ass off
Girl doesn't have one.
Le funny maymay xdddddd

I get it, you're an ancap. What do you want from me? I won't agree with you, if that's what you're seeking. I don't think that Somalia is an example to follow.

god your paththic

>you're an ancap
you only realized with my last post?
wew

>What do you want from me?
nothing: I for one am not a socialist

>Somalia
anarchy is the lack of rulers
savagery is the lack of rules
learn the difference (protip: you don't need any ruler to be submitted to natural rules)

Who would enforce that no rulers emerge under anarchy?
Who is stopping me from building a private army, enslaving the population and become a dictator?

>muh NAP

>Who would enforce that
competing private courts
the interest being the competition
if a court doesn't satisfy people, they'll leave for that competition
which will serve as an incentive to serve proper justice, instead of the headless ducks we have in its place these days, ending up with forbdigging such niggeries as "planned obsolescence", which is not even a thing to start with

>Who is stopping me
others like you (and hopefuly, others better than you, with such ideas as becoming a dictator)
also, if you succeed, then congrats: you've become a state (ie a monopoly on violence)
maybe you now get why I consider those as tyrannic, seeing as you reckon it's what soon happens when monopoly on violence begins

You just described hell. It's like a highly inefficient country that's in a civil war that has 10+ factions.
These hypothetical private entities which would take up the role of the government in an anarchy would inevitably also have territorial control, which would mean that they could extort money and shit like that. Sounds a 100 times worse that what we have now.
Ancaps are fucking idiots.

>have territorial control
>extort money and shit
that actually precisely is what all states do right now
if that's so, it's no ancapism, just statism
it only is ancapism as long as there are competing security businesses in the same place
you can believe ancapism will end up in statism (only does so if only one does remain, though)
still, what you're criticizing then only applies to statism, not ancapism
(and you're the one calling others stupid...)

as to civil war, it only is in the interest of thugs, under ancapism
either usual petty thugs, or even those aiming at being the only ones remaining in the end (ie aiming at becoming states)
for all the others, it's the only way to ensure they won't get buggered by such fucktards as those wanting to ban "planned obsolescence", or any other shit that just came out of their ass

>that actually precisely is what all states do right now
Democracy and the separation of powers ensures that governments remain as fair as possible and serve the people.
In an ancap state, being a "security business" is just what it says, a business. And since there is nobody to enforce the rules, you can be as malicious as you want.
Also, I cannot imagine a situation where ancapism would not end in statism as you call it. As someone who lives in a post Soviet country and knows what was going on in the 90s here, let me tell you, without a competent government, thugs will take over. People can try to pay other thugs for protection all they want, they will still get fucked over and the thugs will still have wars between one another.

Ancapism is as much a pipe dream as communism is.

>competing private courts
I don’t recognize them, they stand against my interest.
What are they going to do about it?

I hope the french don't surrender as per usual and win this one. Fuck Applel

Kill you to silence you. Since you have no wealthy relatives willing to pay the prosecutors of the competing courts to investigate the case, nothing will be done about this.
Fucking rad. Imagine living in the movie "The Purge", except it's always the purge. Awesome, huh?

>Democracy and the separation of powers ensures that governments remain as fair as possible and serve the people.
bullshit
democracy ensures the tyranny of the largest minority
separation of powers is a joke, at best

>ancap
>there is nobody to enforce the rules
wrong
competing private businesses do
think your security provider breached your contract?
take the plea to another
think your state breach the social contract?
you can go fuck yourself

>without a competent government, thugs will take over
with a competent government as well (actually, even more surely, if it's competent)

>People can try to pay other thugs for protection all they want, they will still get fucked over
try to start up your own security firm, if you think you can do better
that's what's best with competition

>Ancapism is as much a pipe dream as communism is
nope
ancapism goes along Human nature, for one
while communism goes against it

>I don’t recognize them, they stand against my interest
if those trying to ensure natural rights go against your interests, it means you're a criminal
prepare your anus, then

they might indeed win this one
all French judges are commie judges

So these private courts have an authority to just kill me or imprison me without due process unless I’m wealthy enough to pay them off or fight them myself? That doesn’t sound like freedom to me.

Damn, who hurt you?

Your whole post is a big middle finger to people that aren't rich.

>Going only after Apple reveals the weakness of the system
It's only the beginning, Epson's being sued as well for the same reason

>What's RISC-V
End yourself retard.

again, what you describe is just what states do
meanwhile, you seem quite fond of those, aren't you?
the difference with ancapism being under the latter, no security business among the competing one has an interest in losing a client if it can avoid so

the taxman (and also the universal joke of a "healthcare", but they go along together, here)

not even
do you think states exactly work for free?
as said just above, for instance, I know what a state forbidding you health access outside of him amounts to: it amounts to absolutely shit healthcare for erryone
I hear poor people think Merry healthcare is shit
well, it really is no better under universal healthcare, so no change for them, at best
it's a change for those who could afford it if they had the choice, though
if it's OK to you, it just shows you actually are the one motivated by disdain for others
see the analogy?

>The maximum penalty is a prison sentence of two years, a fine of up to 300,000 euros, and five percent of the firm’s annual turnover.
not enough

jesus even france's lawmaking is fkd by corporate sponsors

that still is quite high for an imaginary offense...

>it's another episode of commie cucks soyboys trying to destroy capitalism
It's like defending net cucktrality didn't teach them anything.

What's the point of throttling the CPU if throttled CPU requires longer time to finish the tasks it's supposed to do therefore completely nullifying the benefits you obtained from the throttled CPU?
CPU throttling does fuck all to the biggest battery eater - the screen and the radio modem.

Ramblings of a psycho: the post.
Maybe there are upsides in an ancap state though. For example, if you're bored, you can just shoot homeless people for fun and with no repercussions. I've always wanted to know what killing a person feels like.

States do it too, so that makes it acceptable and free because it's a flaw shared with an entity you call tyrannical, but yours is inherently better because someone can profit from it?
And what happens then of the courts? They lose a potential client when they deem me a "criminal" for not playing their little game, and send me off to an affiliated private prison who gains a new "client" and likely kicks back accordingly.

>it's yet another Sup Forumsedditor manchildren thinking they're upstanding citizens for defending the corporations fucking them in the ass everyday episode.
imagine being this much of a good goy

>What's RISC-V
gutless IoT vaporware

Yeah the benefits of CPU throttling in a phone are very little. However, your logic is not true, you should know this if you've ever tried messing about with CPU frequencies on a laptop. You can really feel the difference in battery time

>b-but muh competition
>it's my fault for being scammed by you, s-sorry Mr. Shekelstein

>flourishing of open-source hardware
Just because a corporation is fucking someone in the ass doesn't mean they're going to gravitate to some dated, moribund open-source hardware project that brings nothing to the table beyond complying with the ethical standards of some deluded 70 year old MIT professor and his arrogant acolytes.

At best they'll move over to Apple's biggest competitors in the Android space, equally shitty companies like Google, Samsung, LG and beyond that are no less interested in forcing their users to buy new products in whatever way possible.

>you can just shoot homeless people for fun and with no repercussions
and what makes you think there would be none?
you think there won't be an investigation if someone with no security plan gets killed?
if someone kills even a hobbo around places I visit, I'd sure like an investigation to catch the guy who might another day want to kill me instead

>I've always wanted to know what killing a person feels like
>you're the psycho
choose one

>States do it too, so that makes it
invalid as a an argument in favor of states compared to ancapism, in spite of you doing just that
nothing more, nothing less

>yours is inherently better because
there'd be an actual incentive for security firms to do a proper job: not losing clients (notice: plurals)
politics for ones don't care: establishment is establishment, and pretty much always craps the same shit, again and again

>They lose a potential client when they deem me a "criminal"
that's the incentive for doing a good job, dufus
a court with a reputation of being unfair will lose clients
a court with a reputation of being fair, even against one of its clients, will gain others
and it can only work with competition, that which you can't have with states, by definition

>not playing their little game
oh yeah jamal, because not stealing, not conning, not beating, not killing, not chimping out, is sooo hard...

Ever heard of protectionism, ya dumb faggot?

>Planned obselecence isn't a thing
Stopped reading there