2) Try one of the listed GNU/Linux distros inside a VM (Virtual Machine) before installing it on real hardware
3) Ask questions in the thread.
If you use Arch, Manjaro, Ubuntu, Mint , Antergos, Solus, Fedora or any other of the thousands of BLOAT GNU/Linux meme distros. Don't bother posting in this thread.
it's funny seeing other people create the thread for me
Dylan Perez
Why is Arch bloat?
Parker Foster
Reposting arch explanation:
Arch has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible. Arch has *never* been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages, etc.
>pacman is fast but not safe, it tends to break shit and config protection is implemented in a terrible way >there is no official process to verify that a package is stable within the distro, in other distros a lot of packages are in a testing repo despite that specific package's developer claiming it to be stable on its own, because it might not be stable within the environment of a specific distro >a lot of AUR packages pull from upstream, which means they could be very unstable >(arch vs gentoo related) arch users complain about muh compile time when it comes to gentoo, while in fact they compile a lot of AUR packages themselves, namely the *-git packages that pull the source from a git repo >but it gets even better: they only compile a handful of packages, and those not being libraries mostly, the self-compiled packages get linked against precompiled libraries from a different setup (e.g. different optimization levels), which can then cause even more instability because it's a clusterfuck of unequal shit >arch uses (((systemd))) and switching to something else is hard >apparently the vim package on arch pulls in X, so if you want to have a fancy terminal text editor on a headless server, you to install a shit ton of GUI stuff you'll never need nor use >maintainer told the guy who complained to just symlink vi to vim (vi is inferior)
Cooper Hall
Would a minimalist distro help me finally understand what the fucking is going on in Linux and why are there 4 thousand different places a config file can be?
Landon Wright
Okay.
Parker Parker
>Would a minimalist distro help me finally understand what the fucking is going on in Linux Yes >and why are there 4 thousand different places a config file can be? No
WTF m8... fucking add suckless.org to your favorites and wa la no need to make this shitty general fucking hell...
Jose Gray
I gave FrankenWM a go. Its pretty comfy.
John Torres
Debian
Cameron Morgan
>kernel linux with ck patches >graphical shell x11 running StumpWM >media files Firefox >file manager cli >text editor echo and cat >shell execline >downloads aria2
Noah Hughes
Guide me on how to have the same bindings that ratpoison and I'll jump.
Jordan Carter
>openbox >8.3M hmm...
Isaiah Hall
Deb has systemdick
Cooper James
what's the dildo on your laptop
Aiden Peterson
>StumpWM is a tiling window manager that was created when developer Shawn Betts found ratpoison growing increasingly large and "lispy". Intended as a successor to ratpoison, StumpWM is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License, version 2
Adam Clark
replica of your mum's pencil dick, lamo
Michael Hernandez
is that a light and a spoke wrench?
Jason Brown
You have to understand, stumpwm was designed to extend ratpoison beyond what it is and is based on lisp not C. Ratpoison is extremely extremely lightweight on its own and is considered finished anyway, no need to extend it beyond that unless you have an specific reason.
Xavier Johnson
x86 is not /minimal/
Robert James
yes ok but lisp is an appropriate language to write a wm in imo. it has fewer loc than ratpoison.
Henry Parker
My guess is stumpwm would fit better in a lisp system like the guixsd distro. Imagine if someone created a lisp based display server, a true lisp machine that would be.
Cooper Brown
actually a Nipple wrench. For twisting nipples.
Christopher Myers
well you said you wanted something on systemd.
in any case you can remove it. You install a sysv init package, copy some files, apt remove (or purge) systemd, and reboot. there's instructions on Debian's wiki.
hmm. maybe it could be translated into guile. I want to try paludis (paludis.exherbo.org/) because of a talk I heard the exherbo guys give.
Mason Young
fuck that was a typo
Colton Wilson
>maybe it could be translated into guile >want to try paludis I like how you think.
Josiah Sullivan
debian was broken last time i tried dunno dunno dunno cli ftw dunno not minimalist, just use sh if you gotta be noob what's wrong with Firefox? I'm xvt? rude.
Aiden Davis
I'm getting an unsatisfiable constraint on Alpine trying to install awesome. Just says awesome is required for world[aweome]. Any help? I'm new to this.
Xavier Flores
oscillating between slowly; with consideration and not at all honestly paludis could be rescued as well. C++... honestly?
Dylan Adams
Alpine is trash dont use it
Samuel Russell
it means it's not in the repository try another wm
Kayden Hall
Read the O’Reilly “Running Linux” and run slackware while you do it. I’m doing it, and holy shit everything makes sense now
Isaac Gray
>>Void (Hipster but works) “Hipster” is a term co-opted for use as a meaningless pejorative in order to vaguely call someone else’s authenticity into question and, by extension, claim authenticity for yourself. etc etc
Julian Flores
Arch Linux with the installation guide. Not even joking.
Aaron Evans
>using Alpine as a desktop OS
Matthew King
>implying I know what the fuck I'm doing
I'm just trying to learn about how Linux works and shit in a virtual desktop setting. Would Arch be better? Fuck I dunno shit.
Lucas Bell
>OS Void Linux >DE/WM i3 + polybar + compton (yeah it's bloated but it looks good at least) >Video/Music player MPV for video MPD + ncmpcpp for nusic >Image viewer feh >File Manager ranger >Text Editor Vim for quick edits and Spacemacs for large edits (large python files and LaTeX) and for Org-mode. >Shell literally don't care but I use Bash (default) >Web Browser Waterfox (literally the most bloated software on my computer but it looks good, it's fast and I have no problems of compatibility compared to qutebrowser. >Terminal urxvt
Lincoln Thomas
Try devuan, avoid arch for now
Cameron Davis
>learning Install Ubuntu or Mint or something, and install Arch in a virtual machine so you can learn. Once you have Arch going well in the VM, install Gentoo in another, or the same, so you get a better idea. Or, instead of Gentoo, try Linux From Scratch, it's how I learned a great deal of how Linux works. You should do Gentoo and LFS in a VM IMO.
Gavin Perry
hello autism general
Oliver Powell
what is not bloat then
Alexander Reed
Chalk and blackboard
Xavier Ross
void+lxde
Austin Johnson
>cat | grep
Thomas Hughes
what's better
Cooper Hall
These distro recommendations are useless. Every distro can be minimal.
>grep PATTERN [FILE...] just tell grep what file to open.. input isn't limited to stdin >grep VmRSS /proc/$(pidof openbox)/status
Michael Baker
Is it a bad sign that the ones im interested in trying aren't on here? >bspwm >xmonad >spectrwm
Blake Gomez
But some are easier to get to a minimal state than others.
Parker Foster
>OS Void Linux >DE/WM No DE / Awesome WM >Video/Music player VLC / mpd+ncmpcpp >Image viewer w3m >File Manager ranger >Text Editor vim >Shell zsh >Web Browser firefox (used to be qutebrowser, but meh) >Terminal urxvt
Daniel Thompson
>I'm considering linux right the fuck now in this exact second .
Try ubuntu. Then go for debian (net iso) It's all about getting comfortable with the terminal.
Asher Russell
What a great way to show people what you exactly do with your computer.
Bentley Miller
I've been using bspwm for a very long time after testing all the popular ones and most of the more obscure ones, it's the best tiling wm in my opinion. In terms of memory usage it's probably less than 1M but you also have to use a separate daemon for hotkeys.
Connor Morales
Dwm is god tier, cunt
Jace Harris
Luke Smith?
Hunter Robinson
I feel like gentoo is basically only a server OS. To use it for a desktop seems really painful. It takes ages to install, especially on an older system, plus you need to learn how to manage use flags.
Xavier Ward
You don't understand. I NEED this general. It's the only thing keeping me from loading my pistol and finally offing myself. It keeps me sane. It keeps me happy. It keeps me comfy.
Isaac Butler
Yeah i guess so. Debian is great fo both servers and desktops. Really is universal
Mason Harris
original op here. Glad you like it.
Justin Wright
What's your go-to distro nowadays?
Daniel Morales
LFS
Michael Bennett
Haha, really though, thanks. This thread has made the pursuit of minimalism one of my hobbies. And it's starting to creep outside of my operating system and into my hardware and lifestyle. I've started trying to simplify everything in the world around me and carry as light a load as possible. Also, what's your setup, OP?
Nathan Sanchez
No no no no
It should be ubuntu or some bloat meme distro first(manjaro, mint etc)
Then once you get the hang of GNU/Linux, you go right away to debian.
If you truly feel advanced and autistic, you try to install gentoo. Or lfs
> I've started trying to simplify everything in the world around me and carry as light a load as possible.
Original op here. i had this mentality for ever. I'll give you some tips
Throw out your bed, sleep on the floor Throw away all big furniture. You literally need only one piece of tech and thats your laptop. No tv, no tablets etc etc Throw away your smartphone, buy a flipphone. etc etc, you get the idea
Tyler Sanchez
Oh and if you really want game. Buy a ps4 and a small tv
John Hill
You forgot to add rope around throat to restrict breathing.
Nicholas Young
>Alpine (Pretty damn minimal) Definitely minimal. However, this is not GNU/Linux. Please tell me you aren't unrionically falling for the GNU slash linocks meme. Not every distro uses GNU. Alpine is a good example of this.
Leo Hall
what's the max number of packages I can have and be considered minimal 370 on a new install right now
Connor Davis
they still use some GNU tools at least in the build process.
Aaron Walker
[citation needed]
Owen Miller
how do you manage packages?
Cooper Flores
>GCC >GRUB I'm not going to browse their git to check buildscripts for each package but it's pretty obvious gnu tools are used.
>muh minimal package count Package count is one of the worst measures of “““bloat””” and one of the most easily subvertible
> install one huge, bloated piece of software > use alternative made out of a few small bits of software The second is more UNIX style and much more minimal but it's more “““bloated”””
> install everything from source wew, just found a way to cheat this dumb “““bloat””” measure
Wyatt Young
It's really boring if I show only Spacemacs for LaTeX and a PDF preview of my work.
Tyler Harris
isn't that time very time consuming
Dylan Watson
not so much as it uses build scripts, I have a git repo with all the scripts. I check the LFS dev book to keep up with updates, and mostly it's just a simple version bump in the script and a recompile. I can also compile on the laptop but it's shit for bloated stuff (qt, webkitgtk, browser)
Logan Williams
>GCC Just because you can install GCC that does not make it a GNU/Linux distro. It does not come with GCC installed. You can also install Clang if you wanted. That doesn't make it an LLVM/Linux distro. They don't use GLIBC by default either, in case you are planning to make that claim.
>GRUB GRUB is a bootloader. The bootloader is not part of the operating system. You can use GRUB to launch Windows if you wanted to. That doesn't make it GNU/Windows. Furthermore, Alpine Linux does not use GRUB. It uses extlinux.
Connor Watson
>Alpine Linux does not use GRUB. It uses extlinux. Where did you get this info? Do you think alpine can be used as a desktop? like for example alpine+dwm?
