Be a developer

>be a developer
>make a small mistake in the code causing a minor bug in our app
>get screamed at by my project manager and help desk staff

>sysadmin fucks up and causes the whole office's internet to fail for an entire day
>he ends up fixing it himself
>everyone around the office praises him for "saving the Internet". CIO shakes his hand and pats his back

Why is this fucking allowed?

Everyone around the office fucking loves the sysadmin and I've even seen people leaving chocolates and presents in his private office (yes, the motherfucker gets a fucking private office) while my developer colleagues and I are forced into open seating like pic related with help desk sitting in front of us and project managers behind to keep an eye on us, also we're viewed as "those weird programmers"

Because you're a pajeet

Please stop making this thread

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Fucking attention whores I see to god

Because you're such an annoying fuck with a chip on his shoulder that people will jump at any opportunity to berate you

Sysadmin here. You want to know why "IT" in general hates you and why they love me?

Because the work I perform is tangible and has a real impact on the business. You could not do your job without me. You are a code monkey, that's why there are 500 of you and you all set in open seating without any idea of individualism. You're all the same person, why make an effort to treat any one of you differently?

But the sysadmin? He makes that fucking place run like clockwork man. He oils the machines, he maintains everything on "the network" and he makes it so you can type your bullshit "app" out in whatever DE you choose.

I work with about 400 of you fuckers, and I swear to christ, every time any one of you turbonerds open your mouths its all "agile this" and "breakfix that", like motherfucker all I hear is "I need guidance to get my job done and I still can't do it right". You know what I need? Myself, and occasionally Google for when you fuck up so hard you can't fix your own god damn shit.

There are literal camps set up for churning out morons like you in 6 weeks, straight from the street, no wonder everyone hates "developers", because literally everyone can be one now.

Good luck trying to learn to be a sysadmin in 6 weeks, I'll make sure to order you the extra soft tissues for when you begin to cry.

Oh look this thread again
Let's go back to reality

>be a developer
>sit on ass for weeks on end
>change variable names from "master/slave" to "primary/secondary"
>make some variables const
>lauded by management for years
>sleep nice and soundly every night

>be a sysadmin
>make recommendation for the 5th time to get a redundant internet connection
>get ignored
>it goes down again
>get yelled at every 15 minutes by increasingly higher up management because 300 people aren't working
>be completely and utterly powerless
>get chewed for "poor performance"
>go home and drink to forget it all, only to get interrupted by shitty code breaking yet again
>try to get a hold of a developer, no one responds

You got me OP, fuck

>what is dev ops

kys

stop reposting this thread

I'm full blown K8S at my business. Devs still can't get their shit right.

Try again kid.

>K8S
?

>Devs still can't get their shit right.
they don't need to. that's why people like you exist

are you me?

I dunno what you should do about your mexinigger problem.

Get your /r/sysadmin pasted rant outta here.

There are so many reasons and the fact that you need to ask why is kind of shocking.

for one thing, testing code is a known thing. if you're letting fuckups out the door, it suggests that someone isn't reviewing your code and you're not running unit tests. i'd fucking fire you if you kept that shit up. we go through a lot of effort to provide you with tools to prevent that from happening, and worthless faggots like you come in thinking you're cowboys or something.

for another thing, your office's network is not a consumer-facing product. it's annoying if 50 of you are offline all day. fucking up hundreds of thousands (or millions) of users' latest update is a lot worse. people uninstall their apps for that shit. people write negative reviews and those reviews discourage others from installing the app.

so yes, your office can be a goddamn garbage fire behind closed doors, but don't let that shit get out to the end user. you fucking worthless, lazy, incompetent bundle of sticks.

>>make recommendation for the 5th time to get a redundant internet connection
>>get yelled at every 15 minutes by increasingly higher up management because 300 people aren't working

I would kindly tell them to fuck off. I know you cant, but I know the feel m8.

A redundant internet connection to backstop the 5 hours per month that the IT guy fucks up the network. You know this is why you're the one making recommendations and they're the ones making decisions, right?

You need better QA.

I know this is Sup Forums and all, but you do understand that the point of a redundant provider isn't to provide insulation against a network administrator at the company fat fingering something, but to keep things going when a provider fails, right?

do you not realize a developer is the one who made the software you use so that you can do your own fucking job?

youre basically a cable guy
hey
fix my fucking internet you dumb cable monkey
whats so hard? just plug some cables in lmao

>look mom, i posted it again!

I can tell you're either a NEET or an idiot if you think a sysadmin plugs cables in all day. That's what delegating to your lower tiers are for.

>sysadmin
>Because the work I perform is tangible and has a real impact on the business. You could not do your job without me

code monkeys generate actual profit for the company
a sysadmin is equivalent to a janitor for computers

You aren't solving ground breaking problems
You aren't coming up with algorithms for better performance.
You aren't involved with the creation of anything.
You don't bring anything new into the world.

You're a nobody in the eyes of any full stack developer. Shoo

>go to build my sooper dooper algorithms
>server down
>fired all the sysadmins

oops

>dev
>setting up relational and nonrelational databases(MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL, and MongoDB)
>quality assurance that meet endless consumer demand
>api design and or utilization
>deal with other employee's spaghetti code

>sys admin
>make sure internet works
>sit on ass all day and browse Sup Forums in the rare event internet goes down

>server down
work can still be done offline.

hurry up and click the right buttons(that we designed so that your normie brain can use) to make the internet work already sissy admin

>setting up relational and nonrelational databases(MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL, and MongoDB)

kek, i'm not even a sysadmin. There's no way your code changes the world if you think this is complex shit. Stop larping and have some respect for people that keep your infrastructure running.

>do you not realize a developer is the one who made the software you use so that you can do your own fucking job?
pro tier answer

>youre basically a cable guy
>hey
>fix my fucking internet you dumb cable monkey
24/7 job, laptop even in holidays

>whats so hard? just plug some cables in lmao

Sysadmin need developers to make software that they use to do their job.
> Sysadmins are not cable monkey, they design networks for business operation
like developers design software that SA use for their job

Sysadmin who believe be god and don't code is a sysadmin that don't understand nothing of his own career

MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN

>That's what delegating to your lower tiers are for.

>That's what delegating to your lower tiers are for.

A sysadmin's job in entirety is a delegation of mundane, cumbersome tasks any developer can do.

>There's no way your code changes the world if you think this is complex shit
That's the easy part.
The hard part is building the framework that aggregates said statistical data which can then be organized in a relational database and manipulated into something tangible.

There's a reason we get paid $20k+ more than you. Our work is harder, and requires far more thought.

>have some respect for people that keep your infrastructure running
I personally had no problem with sys admins. Then this faggot posted calling everyone morons. What do you think my response is going to be?

>24/7 job, laptop even in holidays
so? every sys admin I have seen posted here brags about how they do less than 5 hours of actual work per week and how chill their job is. now you want to tell me how tough it is. fuck off

Because you pussies didn't kill the entire government after they threatened Ron Paul. You have no idea how many kike time travellers had to leave their childrape playgrounds to prevent American Revolution 2.0. All you had to do was mak e the choice to not be a pussy and we could have by bypassed their interference. Every ounce of pain you experience is karma.

bruh you realize that data structures is like freshman level shit? College kids who learned Hello World in September will have this as a homework assignment before Memorial Day.

> I’m a janitor

I hope you didn’t go to school for that

>>be a developer
>>act generally creepy and self-righteous
>>why don't they respect my commenting system guide I always have to spend an hour a day re-commenting to make them consistent with my abbreviations glossary
>>make a small mistake in the code causing a minor bug in our app, while not crashing it the bug is very annoying and customers are pissed
>>get screamed at by my project manager and help desk staff who have literally lost dozens of work hours fielding calls from manchildren who panicked when the app bugged out
>>office girls won't talk to me
>>they took away my cubicle walls and now watching porn at lunch is tricky

>>sysadmin is always trying to talk to me
>>"hey bro want a coffee you look like you could use one ha ha"
>>n-no I drink monster energy no coffee too bitter
>>"right on suit yourself, be seeing you"
>>sysadmin fucks up and causes the whole office's internet to fail for an entire day
>>"sorry guys turns out our system upgrade wasn't quite as plug and play as regional admin thought this might take a bit"
>>he ends up fixing it himself
>>everyone around the office praises him for "saving the Internet". CIO shakes his hand and pats his back
>>pornhub's blocked at work now
>>fucking sysadmin

this makes even less sense. what kind of miserable ghetto do you live in that the provider's service goes down so often that you think it's reasonable to recommend getting a backup on five separate occasions?

start getting performance guarantees from your providers and holding them to it, you fucking retard.

I'm a senior dev/"service architect" in a pretty large international company. I'm not sure what sysadmins people are talking about here. There's 'sysadmins' who keep the office running, these are the people who fix your office internet connection or the local printer. Then there's sysadmins who keep the datacenter running and sysadmins who keep my applications running and intervene 24/7 in any incident, these guys are definitely worthy of respect since they tend to know their shit and I most definitely don't envy their job, fuck having to be available outside of working hours.

Shit tier bait. Try again.

>WWWWWAAAAAAAA I hate my job WWWWWAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

I'll bite
Define small mistake and the outcome of said mistake if you will

stop making this thread, for fucks sake
what's your point?

>baiting sysadmins vs. devs for no reason at all
Sounds like something upper management would do to create "tension" between departments and divert attention away from recent poor decisions on their part.

man it's really hilarious when some soulless mobile shovelware developer/legacy java code maintainer gets triggered so hard that they project a mountain right before your eyes

This OP, you fucking arsehole

>have sysadmin who never showers and smells like rotten garbage
>boss won't fire him because he works for minimum wage and does free 24/7 on call
>just gives him a private office so nobody has to interact with him

Sysadmin here for around 40ish people

The reason I'm liked? Because I automate most stuff, teach people how to not fuck up and generally converse with them.

I don't work with devs, thankfully, but any that I've encountered in person seems to have the attitude of "I can't explain it to you how it works it would take too long". Meanwhile. the cloest time I've had to use that phrase was when I had to explain to the CEO how to set up a server with 50+ connections and it was only because it was out his depth

That and the last sysadmin had a programming background and tended to be an asocial idiot so I'm considered a saviour