Why are Apple engineers so shit that their 4...

Why are Apple engineers so shit that their 4.3+ billion transistor meme CPU can't even keep up with a two decade old Pentium III?

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iToddlers will defend this.

>the state of lagOS

>Apple
Found your problem.

There are various reasons this could happen. I mean, fuck Apple sure, but I'm not just going to believe two out of context videos side by side.

>applel

iTODDLERS ON SUICIDE WATCH

ITT:Poorfags who can’t afford real hardware

>applel
>their 4.3+ billion transistor meme CPU
>their CPU
>their

yeah nignog apple's cpu's are inhouse.

is that the cpu that steve spend years developing?

I have an old iPad 2 and thus happens almost every time I type.

>add in a bunch of inefficient word/phrase completion bloat complete with historical data
>get meme'd on by pajeet and the street shitter boiz on a pure consumerism board

They only have themselves to blame.

thistbhfam

>took this iToddler 5 hours to type his damage control on his lagPad

H1Bs are really good at writing code that uses up all those performances.

It's more macabre than one might imagine:
danluu.com/input-lag/

The Intel Pentium III microprocessor with MMX technology does not have this problem.

Yeah but I can't root an iphone with javascript lmao

>rooting a botnet

What could be more valuble to root than a botnet

God I thought I was the only one with this shitty phone.

iToddlers will defend this.

>phone

>the ABSOLUTE state of lagOS

What did he mean by this?

Seriously? This used to happen on my first-gen iPad. I cannot fucking believe they haven't fixed it.

>he fell for the apple meme

It was seven years ago, I'm not as retarded anymore.

desu I'd never admit to owning Applel products.
I mean, what would your girlfriend say if you told her you used to suck dicks?

> iPad
> A11
pick one

also, my 4 year old iPad Air with the A7 chip doesn't have this problem.

pentium II does not have to ship all input to the NSA ingest system in rel time

>applel

>the state of apple

>applel

In practice you don't need to type that fast desu.

My iPad Pro & keyboard case type perfectly fine ^_^

>1 word per hour
>fine
The ABSOLUTE state of lagOS cucks.

I can actually type at a full 100 wpm on my iPad Pro ^_^

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probably has something to do with the fact that it's powered by a fkin battery you nigger. Not saying that apple isn't shit, but come on.

>Performance degradation from poor batteries is supposed to occur after only two months!!
the absolute state of iFags

t. illiterate foreigner can’t into English

He's comparing a desktop CPU with a cellphone CPU. Of course the desktop CPU will beat the shit out of the cellphone CPU, even with a fully functional battery. And in case you haven't read the last part of my comment, here it is u fkin nigger

>Not saying that apple isn't shit

THE ABSOLUTE STATE

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t. iToddler

i can't believe we live in an age where it's commonplace for programs to be UNABLE TO EVEN KEEP UP WITH TYPING

sometimes i boot into an xp vm with firefox 2 to run sketchy keygens and it's astonishing how fast and responsive everything is. everything is completely instant. what the fuck happened?

It's inevitable.
The growth of the market is mainly via wider demographics (i.e. less enthusiast/professional/expert/autist).
Those new _consumers_ have lower expectations for "responsiveness" - fewer of them having seen proper responsive UI, fewer of them caring, fewer of them knowing enough about the underlying tech to know what's a reasonable trade-off.
And especially most of them (aren't confident)/(don't care) enough to know/demand that they shouldn't put up with lag for questionable reasons.
Companies adjust to what the market will bear: throw in more features to get that competitive advantage, at the cost of the now lower priority responsiveness.
Et voila,

>what the fuck happened?
iBrainlets buy it anyway.

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same, also youtube videos will load sound but not image for the first 3-5 seconds

who is the qt

it's a problem across the board. windows, kde, gnome, ios, android. any user interface trying to be "modern" runs like coal tar

It really amazes me how absolutely full to the brim Sup Forums is with morons like these two nowadays.

#JustApplelThings

you neglected to make an argument

are you denying that so much software and hardware today exhibits high latency?

You drew a conclusion that it's "commonplace for programs to be UNABLE TO EVEN KEEP UP WITH TYPING" based on a cherrypicked webm in a shitposting thread. Please stop acting like your constructed reality has a solid foundation.

no, that was a complaint from personal experience. see the next paragraph which contrasts that with the responsiveness of firefox 2 and windows xp in a virtual machine. the firefox input field in which i'm typing this is sometimes hitching too; it can't keep up with the typing.

What is the webm even trying to prove?

I h...av...e no... ide...a, what could be frustrating about a failure to show state updates in a timely manner while the user is typing?

So you just rambled about something and provided no actual evidence for it, and then contrasted it with an anecdote, now you're just providing another anecdote of a situation with extremely variable causes.

Please stop acting like your constructed reality has a solid foundation.

Because Pentium III design is GOAT

sorry i forgot Sup Forums was a science journal, i'll write you a fucking paper next time

danluu.com/input-lag/
this corresponds to my experience. do you not sense the input lag on android phones, for instance? get your head out of your arse, cunt. CUNT.

Sup Forums isn't a scientific journal, but it's not a safe space for dipshits, either. If you're going to jump on a soapbox and say obnoxiously retarded shit, people can call you out for it.
>danluu.com/input-lag/
I don't really see how the data here that has has plenty of fast modern hardware and slow older hardware in a decent spread really proves your bullshit that literally everything is laggy and unresponsive compared to the fuzzy memories of the family vomit box you used when you were a toddler.

go be fucking blind elsewhere

You neglected to make an argument.

"i do not ever experience any hitches when typing, scrolling or otherwise interacting with programs, and if i do it's no worse than programs were 10 years ago" --a lying faggot

Not really, only under predictable conditions like heavy CPU/disk load that would inhibit any system regardless of its age. I've never had any issues with unexpected and noticeable input lag on my W520, Inspiron 13, various iOS devices or any of the other numerous devices I use often.

Maybe it's time to stop using chinkphones and first-generation netbooks with modern software stacks that weren't made for them. I fire off posts from 1990s hardware all the time and watching people bitch and moan about how a system easily twenty times more powerful on average is slower, probably because of some nostalgia-driven expectation that everything should happen instantly now, just makes me laugh.

Why exactly does this happen at all? Every computer I've ever had past windows XP period has had this weird slowdown.
Even now when I have a haswell i5 and a good SSD, for instance, my browser sometimes hangs for a second.

>unexpected
ah yes

Video is fake a11 chips are phone only.

Tablets don’t have A11

happened on my ipad mini aswell desu fucking aids

If I put a significant load on my system, I expect it to perform like shit while the task is completed. Are you trying to backpedal and make this the new lynchpin of your argument?

developers not giving a fuck about garbage collection pauses, forcing paging to disk, not using asynchrony/concurrency to achieve cancellation (so for example your browser starts searching its dictionary after your last keystroke and does not immediately cancel the operation on your next keystroke), and stuffing every bit of data into sqlite3 databases or worse. it all adds up to a shitty user experience where programs regularly hitch even on high-end hardware, and anyway why should you need high-end hardware just to achieve a responsive input field? let's not be ridiculous

also windows swaps to disk prematurely, and the pauses from loading swapped pages are particularly long and irritating.

perhaps you and i have a different idea of what can reasonably be considered a significant load. scrolling down a webpage in firefox, for example, is for me often riddled with hitches. but is that a significant load? is this just to be expected when showing a webpage that is already fucking parsed and rendered? is it reasonable for this to happen? i don't think it is. and compare this behaviour to an ancient firefox build; it doesn't happen there.

So how can I fix this situation with input lag and shit? Use FOSS?
I already tried putting ramdisks on windows and linux and I still sometimes get hangs.

avoid heavyweight programs, although for browsers you're basically fucked

What about input frequency? Can I somehow overclock my keyboard/mouse poll rate?

there's a program that can change usb polling frequency on windows up to 1000Hz, google for it

Thanks, what about Gahnoo

>scrolling down a webpage in firefox, for example, is for me often riddled with hitches. but is that a significant load? is this just to be expected when showing a webpage that is already fucking parsed and rendered? is it reasonable for this to happen? i don't think it is. and compare this behaviour to an ancient firefox build; it doesn't happen there.
It's not happening on any of the devices I already mentioned, the only time I see that kind of behavior is on very slow systems (early Atom netbooks, Pentium III-class systems) running the latest browsers targeted at systems several generations younger. Old builds can run terribly on similarly outdated systems as well, Firefox 2 thrashes the shit out of my $10,000 dual-socket NT workstations like it's nothing.

Everything you're talking about is much easier to point to your hardware configuration and use case than some widespread apocalyptic input lag.

we aren't talking about running new programs on old computers though

>your hardware configuration
yeah i guess my cpu is deciding not to do cpu things, my ram is deciding not to do ram things, and my gpu is deciding not to do gpu things. this is, you see, why hitches happen. it's even why the infamous minecraft GC stutter happens to literally everyone. it's me, it's my hardware malfunctioning.

You either don't understand what I'm saying or you're willfully disregarding it.
I haven't seen noticeable "hitches" when scrolling a browser on anything but ancient shit hardware running a software stack far newer than its host. The several modern and semi-modern systems I am currently running do not have this issue, nor does it seem like the majority of the thousands of people who use this site every day have these problems either.

Which means it's far more likely that you're the victim of the old shit hardware you're running rather than some vast and widespread input issue affecting new software that few people seem to notice or give a shit about, even on old systems.