Why is it that when someone says "nothing to hide...

Why is it that when someone says "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" Sup Forums just calls them retarded and doesn't actually say why that's a retarded view?

The fact is, if you literally have nothing to hide, you literally have nothing to fear.

just because you have nothing to hide, doesn't mean they have nothing to find

>give them all your info for years
>suddenly after all those years you do have something to hide
>they already have all your info

because it's not quite as simple as that often-parroted mindless soundbite makes it seem. idiots love simple phrases like that which have a way of settling all debate with their little minds that despise actual thought.

>have nothing to hide
>give up ability to hide
>what is socially or legal acceptable changes over time
>you no longer fall in line with these changing norms
>you now have something to hide
>but you can no longer hide

>what even is the boiling frog experiment

Can i watch your wife get naked if you think she has a nice body? Just because we don't have something to hide, doesn't mean we are public domain.

You're dumb if you think you even can hide. Unless you are your own ISP, write your own kernel, live in a cabin in the woods and post from a 90s ThinkPad you bought brand new, you're part of the botnet.

Almost every piece of hardware and software these days is a botnet.

I'm non-white but when i do this it's because I want the people that's looking at me to fuck off and/or get out of my way. Is this why white people do it?

Lol, go ahead, lad. Live life with that nazi quote and tell me how you fare.

This.
Loli mangas and teaching your dog to 1488 are unironically illegal in the UK already

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."

Why should private companies be the ones I show things to though?

I don't have anything to say, so I don't need free speech.

You have things to hide that are legal. Do you WANT everyone to know you got $1m in the bank? You'll just be surrounded by "friends" that want your money.

Or that fetish for 40yo women in lingerie porn that you have. Fully legal, but there are people who'd resent that. None of their / everyones fucking business.

Privacy is a must have.

Oh, and in the USA your legal system is so fucked up that you may commit multiple felonies a day and the main thing protecting you is that they don't police or see it, right?

Well it's retarded if you're someone who doesn't appreciate authoritarianism or want to be treated like a child all their life under the parental supervision of the sovereign state they're under. But hey, that's not what you want to hear is it? Nah, you wanna play up some fears about DANGER and SECURITY and hand wave it all away so you can get your nice internship at the NSA and sneak onto one of the employee's computers when they're in the bathroom after spiking their coffee with ex-lax so you can jerk off to your mom taking nude selfies for her new boyfriend through her phone camera right retard?

>nothing to hide nothing to fear xD
>fuck off retard
>well you can't hide anyway so stop trying xD
fuck off retard

In many nations, one part to this still is that even if you see things as a matter of you doing a job, you can't just publish / use them for character assassinations and the like since it was not necessarily even legal for you to see in the first place.

If you soften that up and give people the ability to use everything they see, you are possibly in deep shit privacy wise.

this kills the anti-privacy shill

Post your email account, your medical history and your bank account history then, faggot, if you can't comply then you are a terrorist.
saged.

Why would I do that? I have nothing to hide.

This isn't an argument.

>unable to complain
Terrorist detected.

All someone needs to think about is .., what if governments/the ruling elite had always been able to fully spy on what everyone is doing and truly profile everyone in their societies? They have all done their best and not even come close to achieving what is now possible with mass surveillance.
If you can go after threats to the status quo before they can ever materialize, you can maintain it indefinitely no matter how bad it is.
Just imagine what ever political/religious power you hate, whether past or current, and ask yourself if you would want them spying on everyone and cracking down on whatever THEY find objectionable or a threat to their power.
That's what the reality is.
Corrupt, horrible, stupid political people setting themselves up with god-like abilities.
We'll never have another political leader who can't be compromised and controlled by extremely detailed past personal information.

This is also not an argument

If I'm not showing, am I hiding? Really?

Post it all then. You are currently hiding it

There's a difference between hiding something and simply not sharing it. Same as if you had a micropenis, if you tried to conceal that fact by fucking someone with a nine inch dildo when the lights were off, that's hiding it. Simply not having sex with people so they don't see your micropenis isn't hiding it.

because it is a retarded non-argument?? why would you expect someone to respond to a non-argument dismissal with an actual argument?

nothing to hide doesn't mean nothing to find, and unless you post a time stamped picture of yourself outside your house showing your address, you are a hypocrite or a moron. Take your pick

but I do have stuff to hide
my ssn, my cc numbers, my personal information

Sounds like you have something to hide. You don't have a reason to not post it.

fuck i miss that show soo much... and here we are season 16 of family guy...

dogbert would of been god tier during the election

The statement is "nothing to hide, nothing to fear", not "nothing to fear, nothing to hide", dipshit. Of course someone would fear their email being posted here.

no excuses
to Guantanamo you go

So they have something to hide, because they fear posting personally identifiable info here.

hey OP you ever heard of this guy
he answered your question 300 years ago

There is a case to be made for things found that are out of context which can leave somehody with quite a headache or legal issues.

This but unironically
Explain your reasoning why you would need it faglord

To speak out against Injustice, to me or others, by those who hold power and information control

Then stop stalking me for no reason, I have nothing to hide.

It's not just the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" thing. That's true. One that does not wish to hide anything has no reason to fear the consequences that not hiding something may bring.

The thing is, that obvious phrase is used when people are discussing privacy, in a way like "well, complaining about the violation of your right to hide stuff means you have stuff to hide".

And they say it like having stuff to hide is a bad thing. No one has nothing to hide. That's the retarded part.

That stupid, obviously-correct sentence is used to defend the idiotic idea that you shouldn't have anything to hide, where anyone capable of breathing knows that's neither ideal nor possible.

alright then, post your phone convo's
lets see some gallery images
nothing to hide right?

while true in a literal sense, it implies one MUST have something to hide, if they value their privacy. That subtle assertion is false.

this is how i look at people in public, i also do the pose

dilbert is a fucking show? I thought it was just a newspaper comic!

Yeah okay what could they possibly find? Oh he's a milquetoast who accomplishes nothing in life other than watching anime and playing video games. Wow they could "find" all that by following me on Twitter.

>give up privilege to have privacy
>tyrannical law passed regarding data
>anyone who isnt a cuck breaks said law
>only now it's illegal to hide data

my weird but legal fetishes

Even if that's true, why wouldn't you want some privacy? Why not live in a glass house you fucking faggot?

And that would affect your life... how?

>The fact is, if you literally have nothing to hide, you literally have nothing to fear.
Please post your timestamped pic and with your verified name, address, phone number, place of work, email and password. Thanks.

Jesus, OP is getting intellectually rekt the fug out.

I have plenty to hide but nothing to fear. I have oodles of porn that is perfectly legal but which I don't want other people knowing about. I write down my own personal thought and experiences to allow myself to read through them at later dates to see how I have changed, I want no one else to be privy to these.

if other people know, it's embarrassing for me.

think about the nurses and med staff who pulled the dragon dildo out of your asshole, they definitely laughed and told their friends behind closed doors.

but why do you have the right to know?

Because literally everybody has something to hide, privacy is an essential part of the human condition.
Would you like your porn history to be leaked? Would you like videos of you masturbating to be available publicly?

post your full chrome history and your face then

Some third party can find whatever it wants. He has no say in what is find and how it is used.
Personal info, bank records, whatever. Maybe he doesn't want his pictures floating around associated with some scam going on. Maybe he doesn't want pictures of his daughter, while totally innocent in their nature, being passed around by some script kiddie. Maybe he has some software that had some legal thing sometime and some obscure law pulled up by some pissed off dude at work who has a cop friend can then use to fine or book him. Or maybe something that is legal now will be illegal in the future and he gets jailed for that even though when he did the thing it was entirely legal.
You cannot know what others will dig up on you, the "others" here are more than just some bored government schmuck, too. If he's "nobody important" then he doesn't need his data looked through. If he is important to someone, somewhere, regardless of intentions, he has no reason to just give them any and data that passes through and sits on his network. It's stupid. Get a warrant, get out of my data, and fuck off with you "nothing to hide". I've noticed you still haven't posted that timestamped picture of yourself

Just to play devil's advocate. Consider the following:

Only the government gets access to everything about you and will handle that information with the utmost discretion.

I'll give you the same response I give the police when they ask me that same question:

"With all due respect sir, millions of good men and women have died throughout American history for my right to privacy and security. I do not intend to let their efforts go to waste."

>the government will handle that information with the utmost discretion.

hah

But that's not the case. None of that is remotely accurate

>will handle that information with the utmost discretion
Like, with a cloth or something?

If we're both in agreement that I have nothing to hide, what the fuck are you looking at me and spying on me for?

>DD
>white

Pull down your pants and show me your quirk so I can stick my feature in it.

So you do have something to say then?

I do, as is my right

my cartoons hurt the government's feelings, so i gotta keep em safe.
more generally, it's politically devastating in that surveillance enables the government to eradicate any would-be whistleblowers who planned to expose something before they can actually take action.

Terrible analogy

Post your credit card number. Post your SSN. Tell us what kind of porn you're into.

There's no such thing as a person with nothing to hide. They don't exist. It's a laughable concept, everybody needs privacy.

Hello Retardo. Literally everyone is currently busy with trying to fix Spectre and Meltdown issues for the single fact that you have something to hide. These bugs allow basically anyone to read your passwords, your clipboard, your encryption keys, your keystrokes, literally everything on your computer. If noone had anything to hide, noone would be worried about this issue. Yet, everyone is worried. Why? Maybe because they don't want their bank account info stolen, or any of their passwords to certain accounts that they need to get along with their daily livelihoods. You have to hide this information. If you are saying you have nothing to hide like this, then please post your full name, address, credit card number, including security code, bank account information, the names of your family members, etc. Since you won't post these, you'll quietly have realized you're retarded and fucked off from this board for the rest of the day.

I think he's mormon

Well the government is a lot of people and they may know me personally or will later on in life.

Also why does the government have a right to bypass my privacy exactly?

Post your passwords or fuck off

A follow up devil's advocate.

Only the government controlled server has access to everything about you and through various algorithms will only disclose possibly incriminating evidence.

if you have nothing to hide or fear then you are nothing and have nothing.

But that literally does not happen. And you have to guarantee, absolutely 100%, that none of that data, ever, in any way, will ever be leaked, misused, misread, stolen, or lost. Can you? Of course not. It's absurd, to expect or request such a thing

Is it absurd to demand 100% absolute guarantee that none of the data will ever in any way be leaked, misused, stolen, etc?

Intelligence agencies and goverments have a history of malicious going after people for things you wouldn't consider "something to hide or to be feared over", or out of incompetence.

The CIA, FBI, and NSA have been spying and going after people like that for decades.

Civil rights leaders, anti Vietnam protesters, journalists, etc all have been targets.

It's nice to want it, and it's a good thing to strive for but at the end of the day it's not possible. Giving any government the resources to pull off a data hoard like user said knowing that 100% data security or fairness, in terms of which data is released for crimes and similar events, is impossible doesn't get the "nothing to hide" crowd any points. He's playing devil's advocate for a completely unjustifiable stance, both in practicality and practice

>someone in power doesn't like you
>they use your private information to wreck your life

Yes, because you can't absolutely guarantee it.

For example, some of both the CIA and NSA's best exploits and zero-days were leaked to wikileaks, and before that they were being sold online on black markets. If they can't even secure their own sploits, what makes you think they've secured your personal information?

In all honesty the medical industry probably has better protected personal information than the intel agencies do, particularly since intel agencies are all about getting this info and sharing it with other intel agencies, and done for the express purpose of fucking people over. That's why they spy in the first place, so they know who to kill, where, and when.

And of course the people making these decisions are unelected bureaucrats with little to no oversight. What stops them from taking a donation from an oil company to silence a corporate whistleblower under the guise of "terroristic threat to national security"? Absolutely nothing.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see obvious evidence of assassination/kill teams at work within US borders, murdering american citizens for political/corporate/monetary/corrupt reasons.

Being against gay marriage was a completely normie tier belief 10 years ago. Ask Eich how well that went for him. The outrage mob is retroactive and cares nothing for context.

I won't attempt to present a full, fluid counterargument. But please consider the following points.

For many, reducing the amount of information their government holds on them is a point of principle. They believe a government exists to serve its citizens, not to enact absolute control over every aspect of their lives.

Others may well have something to hide, but that something may either be irrelevant to the government but still worthy of secrecy (closeted gay/trans people, maybe?) or something they feel /shouldn't/ be relevant (the classical example, used by Tor and others, is an Iranian political dissident).

I'm personally fortunate enough to have little or nothing I need to hide from my own government. Not everyone is so fortunate. I do have plenty I'd like to keep hidden from friends/family/random peers.

I think everyone should be able to keep their own secrets, so long as they don't threaten society or public safety.

Finally, I'm going to invoke Godwin's law and point at Nazi Germany. Meticulous record keeping of personal information by the pre-Nazi german government allowed the Nazis to efficiently hunt down and eliminate any group they wanted to.

If you trust your country's current government, think about whether you can be sure you'll trust the next, or the one after that.

It's not about if I have anything to hide or if I have something I don't want people to see, it's about the principle that the stuff I know, and the stuff I do, are no one else's business but my own. I don't need (Insert corporation of the week) seeing what I do or who I talk to. If I wanted these people to know what I do, I will tell them.

> Why is it that when someone says "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" Sup Forums just calls them retarded and doesn't actually say why that's a retarded view?
If you don't know what a non-sequitur is, you are retarded.

Is that how they turn them gay?