Cloud providers are also trying to limit the damage of the Meltdown bug. ITT we discuss the actual facts.
Here's what you need to know:
- Most chips with speculative execution are effected by Spectre, there is no real fix for it, but work arounds do not have a significant slow down. The biggest concern are browsers where javascript can steal stored passwords. Solution for now is not to store your passwords in browser. - Predicted 30% slow down for Intel chips due to meltdown. Kernel-level fix is required, clearing out large table with EVERY SYSCALL. AMD is not effected by this bug. - For uncompiled code, a work-around without a huge performance drop is possible. This work-around does not work for compiled code, i.e. the moment someone has access to a cloud instance and runs some hostile hand-written assembler code, they can invoke Meltdown. It's necessary to take the 30% hit in this case. - For any I/O heavy task, Meltdown might be even worse than 30%. - Games should not be effected by this kind of attack FOR NOW, but as more research into this kind of attack is conducted, it's possible that slow downs will occur in the future.
AMD Ryzen is probably the best "solution" for now, as well as some software fixes for browsers. If you have not purchased a CPU yet, wait for Zen+ which may be delayed to fix the Spectre problem. Intel should be avoided at all costs and likely won't have a fix until 2019.
Carson Lopez
>30% slowdown >Still 10% faster than Poozen
Luke Young
>30% Did you guys read that first article that came out and literally nothing else?
Dylan Gray
You know that all those synthetic “benchmarking” test that reviews use, are using ICC to complie and test CPU performance which favors Intel CPU’s and other CPU’s like AMD are forced to use GCC and C++ which gives intel an unfair advantage.
Luis Reed
>Still shilling after these numbers
Sebastian Torres
The benchmark is complied with intel’s ICC complier which optimizes complied code for intel processors and leaves out certain optimization’s for non-intel processors. By editing the vender ID on an AMD chip to an genuine intel it gives it a much higher synthetic score then the Default authentic AMD vender ID. This also causes some bugs (of course). Intel fan boy Reviewers (brainlets) don’t know nor care to understand the bias in the benchmarking programs and spew out how amazing intel is. The benchmarking program uses ICC for intel and for all others using GCC and C++ which is of course why Intel CPU's are "blowing" other CPU's in terms of performance and people don't understand how using ICC math complier library gives Intel a greatly unfair advantage
Luke Watson
There IS a REAL fix, sweaty. ARM
James Reed
Is this thing real? Holy fucking shit.
Adam Parker
why do you retards keep mcking israel it's an ethnostate backed by trump, non-israeli jews are the problem. and israel stick it to mudslimes.
Blake Morgan
this.
Luis Foster
Yes, I did the test.
Gavin Diaz
javascript your password. nothing personal kid
Juan Ward
Wow I really need one of those new Intel Ryzen 7 chips
Ryan Butler
>sweaty
Jayden Sanchez
fucking disgusting
Owen Kelly
>Exynos
wait a sec, so Samsung just rebrands ARM processors and doesn't make any own? What about Huawei's Kirin?
Julian Bennett
>that glorified microcontroller If only there were some other company besides Intel that produced more a advanced micro device...
Bentley Nguyen
>Acorn dropped Alpha, RISC-V, Power Arch, MIPS, SPARC hell, even Itanic
Eli Hall
Here every tv news channel is generically reporting that "every CPU is affected by the bug, both Intel and ams", making absolutely no distinction between amd and intel.
Intel is already getting away with it
William Baker
I keep the icc patch program on the desktop of my old phenom II system and run it everytime I install a new program. It usually finds something new. My newest desktop and laptop are both Intel because of this shit.
Jace Kelly
kek.
Ryzen 7 reporting in.
Cameron Miller
>Intel is already getting away with it It doesn't matter to the average consumer. Most people savy enough build their PC and thus have a choice between AMD and intel will know about it.
What hurts Intel the most is the companies who buy serve en masse. They definitely know about it, and any company looking to buy servers in the coming years will avoid Intel like the plague.
Cooper Martinez
Note: Zen+ is way too far down the pipeline to delay for fixes. Zen2 probably will be delayed a bit for fixes though.
Logan Thompson
I would let Jeff Bezos cum in my ass if he boycotts Intel after this and exclosively goes with AMD Epyc instead
Jaxson Taylor
>fixes
Jace Fisher
Depends on how hard AWS are hit in the performance. Intel will probably have to pay Amazon a hefty sum when it is said and done.
Christopher King
I just ordered $7 million worth of Intel fucking servers for my company last fucking month. It's going to be hell now that they're fucking worthless.
Nicholas Gonzalez
See if you can void the order with an clauses in the contract that has such things in mind.
Cameron Watson
There is a class action lawsuit against intel
Ryder Ward
As I said before, this could have been bad for Intel for their consumer market too. Think about normies about to get a new laptop hearing on tv "every fucking Intel CPU in the world is bugged". Some could have opted for an amd. This instead won't happen
Isaiah Williams
If normies are too stupid to do their own research they deserve it. Besides the point of news is to be brief and diluted for the masses, differentiating between Meltdown and Spectre and then explaining the difference to the average TV viewer seems too much.
Isaac Scott
What's an intel?
Anthony Anderson
There's a difference between being concise and being liars. They could have said as for now every Intel CPU is affected and will be slowed down to a certain degree with the patch, while amd products still havent been proved to be affected to the same degree as Intel in the slightest
Michael Powell
>it's an ethnostate backed by trump, non-israeli jews are the problem. and israel stick it to mudslimes. Nice story Shapiro, we're not falling for your foolish dialectic.
Brody Perry
you're just another traitor like bannon. i follow trump.
Austin Walker
99% of all tech sites are saying these. None tech sites don't care because normies cannot into tech. Normies probably think Pentium is a the company name.
Andrew Bailey
>intel shill trying to distract us.
Lawsuits are incoming. Intel is utterly fucked.
Brayden Reed
That was my impression. I checked the timestamp and was shocked this was such a recent thread. This is the info we had before it was made public but they just added the exploit names. You'd think they'd add and correct the rest of the stuff we found out as well.
Ian Diaz
painfully obvious shill
get a real job, loser
Ryder King
>bought a Ryzen 1600 during my last upgrade, just to tell Intel to shove it up their horse cock >Performance was better than I expected, one game I play actually uses all 12 threads and encoding FLAC to mp3 for my phone is literally a quarter the time >Now I'm being told I dodged a security bullet >Now I'm being told I'll be able to get an R5 2600 that's twice as fast for the same cost less than a year later, and is socket compatible >All because of pretty much a pure spite purchase
Luke Nelson
I believe you replied to the wrong person friend.
Austin Bailey
Amada is comfy and watching intel burn.
Carson Allen
NO ESCAPE O E S C A P E
Julian Miller
makers of the itanium processor. it should have won desu. it was supposed to be it's turn
Joshua Johnson
>about to upgrade my sandy vagina system >decide to wait >this shit happens >would have upgraded and ended up with sandy vagina performance after patch What a fucking timeline. Waiting for Zen+ then.
Levi Robinson
Dodged a fucking bullet m8
Aiden Perez
wangblows already pushed the update last december
Joshua Peterson
>be intel >know about flaw for years and years >procrastinate because everyone buys your shit anyways >this happens >oh well, the goyim will just have to upgrade again :^) What a bunch of fucking kikes
Parker Green
>There's no real fix for it v1 is OS level patchable and v2 requires eBPF on AMD to even have a chance of working >2019 Intel is fucked all the way to Ice Lake unless they re-tapeout
Luis Ortiz
More like >Be intel >NSA gives you truckloads of dollar bills >Install backdoor for them >This happens >Oh well, it has an honest mistake :^)
Xavier Richardson
do we have a list of which processors are affected by the security flaw? will the processors that don't have the security flaw still have their performance impacted by the work around?
Logan Morales
>If you have not purchased a CPU yet, wait for Zen+ No just buy one whenever you need. If need one now, buy one now.
>Just wait for herpaderp >Herpaderp comes out delayed >Herpaderp comes out with mixed results >Wait for specific contrarian to post benchmark >Wait for new gpus because herpaderp may have been bottlenecked >Wait for specific game for specific bencmark >Herpaderp is good but everyone says a dissapointment because hype men 4 months earlier were overhyping >New herpaderp will only be 6months away at that point so people cry wait
Getting fed up with you herpader is just round the corner
Angel Green
But Ryzen Herpaderp Edition is literally only 2 months away
Joseph Gonzalez
>use Intel compiler >Intel wins in Intel made tests huh
Angel Moore
And herpaderpening edition is only 14months away! Just wait bro!
Nathan Martinez
>Just buy it now >It has a bug >You're fucked, zero resale value >Could have waited 2 month for bug free CPU neck it.
Adrian Perez
>2 month for bug free CPU Says who hypeman. Wait a bit longer you will have a bug free 3rd generation version and at the rate of inflation it will be cheaper
Eli Barnes
If you run full disk encryption via your operating system on old Intel processors such as a Core 2 Duo, the performance reduction will be disastrous won't it?
Nolan Myers
>If you run full disk encryption via your operating system on old Intel processors such as a Core 2 Duo, the performance reduction will be disastrous won't it? yep
Brandon Bennett
Do you know if there would be a less affected way of doing it from here on out?
Caleb White
>sweaty what a fucking retard
Jason Evans
>Games should not be effected by this kind of attack FOR NOW This is irrelevant to me since I refuse to buy new games. There's not heart and soul in them any more and it's all business. It's always been all business but at least they didn't harass you with micro transactions and day one downloadable content.