Why do people even try to defend Intel at this point?

Why do people even try to defend Intel at this point?

>all they shit they did to AMD in the 80s and 90s
>paid hundreds of millions per quarter to OEMs and server customers to not buy AMD
>fined dozens of times by governments all around the world for monopolistic practices
>TIM housefires
>laughably dishonest presentations to server customers with what was pretty much red crayon X's scribbled on AMD logos
>brand new i5 dead in the water with new games
>coffee lake reviewer copy scandal
>management engine NSA backdoor
>meltdown
>insider trading

This shit goes beyond benchmarks. They are selling you out and laughing in your face as you pour money into their pockets. Quit it.

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The first keynote speaker at CES 2018 is the CEO of Intel, yikes.

they'll cancel it, you'll see

nice speculative thread, but what's my password

There's nothing to defend. It hasn't been ethical to suggest Intel for fucking years. Shills can fuck off.

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because AMD has been shit at getting out competitive products for 95% of that time period
I don't like them either but AMD dropped the ball hard and often and ethics don't mean shit compared to performance

AMD had products that were more than competitive for many years but Intel was literally paying people to not even accept free copies.

In CPU market? Please, show us.

youtube.com/watch?v=osSMJRyxG0k

But AMD is still kicking and is strong than ever

>adored
nice source

Look, i'm not going to sit here and try to defend what they have or have not done. However, tin the end of the day, they are a company and are they perfect, no. Are they far from perfect, yes. But i'm not going to sit here like an actual shild and dehumanize a company and then turn around and treat another like amd, or via, or qualcomm and treat them like the its the second coming. That's what I've been seeing all over Sup Forums and its not only hypocritical, its retarded. A company is a company, to treat one like evil incarnate for every little thing while others get t glossed over, and praised because this is an idiot, shill page and nothing else is stupid, and is the main reason idiots coalesce in this page anymore.

tl:dr Intel may do bad.shaddy things but they are a company and amd nor any other comp is going to be a any better and its childish and idiotic to think that a company is the solution to another company...

good thing that i bought all my cpus used so they were cheap and intel didnt get any money from me.

I'm not watching 35 minutes of shilling. Tell us which AMD CPU was even worth considering in the last decade.

>i don't wan't information
>give me information

>Why do people even try to defend Intel at this point?
Do they?

dont forget, they spent $300 million on feminist organizations and other marxist organizations, and cut $300 million from research, scholarships, etc.

>shilling =/= information

Defend from who?
Redteam+ shills are laughing stock

"both parties are the same".

no fuck you.

AMD didn't attempt to cheat lie and steal their way to the top. Where the fuck do you think Intel's market dominance came from? How do you think they're able to afford all the R&D to continuously make better products than AMD?

It's idiotic and childish to purposely ignore nuance.

>AMD didn't attempt to cheat lie and steal their way to the top.
Because they weren't in a position to do so.
>Where the fuck do you think Intel's market dominance came from?
Ummm, from being on the market way before AMD was a thing. From being industry standard.
>How do you think they're able to afford all the R&D to continuously make better products than AMD?
By their position on the market. If you have money because you are good and invest them wisely, you'll get more money for being even better.

It's literally the same when a politician says he won't be corrupt because he never was in the past. Then he gets the position and what do you know, he became corrupt.

>every little thing
>little

Take this shill bullsbit back to /r/amd faggot

Wrong. AMD could've handily fucked over Intel when they were kicking Intel's ass in the early 2000s yet they didn't.

Intel's been hit with multiple anti-trust lawsuits. This goes far beyond "the cost of business". It's endemic to how Intel does business.

so you're saying Intel abused their position?

>Why do people even try to defend Intel at this point?
they're israelis

Their fucking CEO sold all Intel stock he legally could...AFTER he was notified of the flaw.

I mean this is literally new level jewing. Making money on salary and then betting against your salary provider.

And your dumb ass is defending them.

>coulda, shoulda, woulda
being this delusional

AMD was wiping the floor with Intel for a decade, from the release of Athlon until the misstep with Bulldozer. In response Intel's desperate ploy to bury netburst, resurrect PIII into Core and kick it out the door ever year in their tick-tock deathmarch, all the while introducing shocking bugs and flaws to make benchmarks look better for saps. Who knows what other nightmare lurks under the surface.

Intel shills are actually kidnapped brazilian posters that get sopa de macaco rations and are forced to shill against their will.

youtube.com/watch?v=L8xH_Ng0ig4

Intel helps to safeguard America. They are indispensable allies in the global war on terrorism.
Anyone who is against Intel is an enemy of the US government and a threat to national security.
Anyone who smears Intel online is either a Daesh terrorist or a paid Kremlin troll.
Every user of Earth has a question to answer - are you ready to take a slight decrease in performance for the Greater Good or you'd rather support the terrorists?

news from the parallel dimension of desperate AMDtarded shills

I hope you were meant to reply to

>2001 to 2006 is a decade

this
also they're israel jews (hellbent on spying and ruining civilization)
but user is right, neither amd nor anyone else is the second coming

>Judaism helps to safeguard America. Jews are indispensable allies in the global war on terrorism.
>Anyone who is against Israel is an enemy of the US government and a threat to national security.
>Anyone who smears Israel online is either a Palestinian terrorist or a paid antisemetic troll.
>Every user of Earth has a question to answer - are you ready to take a slight decrease in performance for the Greater Good or you'd rather support the sandniggers?
t. Intel-aviv Spectrestein

If AMD wouldn't have been, PowerPC would've won the processor wars against x86

I don't care, as long their CPUs give the best performance for my workloads it's fine. But fuck them for dropping the ball like that.

that's French and in Africa

>PowerPC would've won the processor wars against x86
AHAHAHAHAHA
PowerPC was slower housefires than fucking late P4s. Apple even faked benches and G5 still sucked.
KYS

while introducing shocking bugs and flaws to make benchmarks look better for saps

Meltdown isn't a result of trying to push more performance. It's not that Intel managed to get 30% more performance by introducing a bug. It's that in order to mitigate the problems that the bug introduces, there's a performance penalty. When Intel fixes the bug, their performance will be back to normal, and if they could fix the bug on all current processors, there would be no performance hit anymore... unfortunately for Intel, it's a hardware bug, so they can't fix it with all the software patches in the world. Might be the end of 2018 before the bug is resolved in new processors.

This isn't the first type of bug like this that Intel has run across lately, either. There was a similar bug a few months ago that exploited a legacy feature found in older Intel processors. It didn't get much attention because the legacy feature wasn't present in Skylake. But I do believe that bug inspired the research that uncovered this bug.

all of them apparently according to events that have transpired in the last week or so

>just bought secondhand a laptop with an i5
Well what do I do now?

When you had your super fast single core P4 I had 2 processor cores and could multitask.

u mad?

No, intel were forcing agressive branch prediction and taking shortcuts to save cycles. Not checking the page table until decision would save a few cycles, so likely they made a conscious decision to shortcut it where AMD DID NOT. Those few cycles times a few billion add up to a few percentage points on the benchmark.

enjoy

>Why do people even try to defend Intel at this point?

Stockholm syndrome, buyer's remorse.

I had athlon 64 but whatever you say dumb applefag.

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>Anyone I don't like is a shill!

Athlon came out in 99 and obliterated Intel performance. Intel finally caught up with core2duo (and bugs) in 2007, but AMD was competitive up to PhenomII and didn't fall behind until Bulldozer in 2011.

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(you)

If I don't patch it, what's the worst that will realistically happen? These processors have worked fine for years already, so it will still function.

>Laughing stock
>stock
At least ours is rising, faggot.

n1gg3rf4gg0t

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Are using your laptop for server related shit or running hundreds of virtual machines? If not you are fine.

Even if intel was right, which they're not, the way they sling FUD at a competitor like AMD who operates fairly is disgraceful. I will never reward a scummy org like that, have some self-respect and avoid using their garbage products.

>not digging the metal and silicone out of the ground and forging your own chips
casuals

Yeah no, just basic normie use. Thanks.

Do you realize that this meltdown bug effectively gives any program full access to your computer? It basically disables all OS security controls.

Can AMD offer similar performance? If not I'm still sticking with Intel.

OpenBSD warned of the shitty bugs in Cuo2Duo a decade ago:

marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631&w=2

I'm still kind of out of the loop on it, I just came to Sup Forums after a few days away. Is it inherent within the processor itself, or is that what happens if my PC becomes affected? If the former, why is it only having an effect now?

You mean slowing down randomly some years later after having bought?

You know what, I don't fucking care about you. Enjoy getting owned.

Doesn't affect me.

>PROCESSORS ON Sup Forums ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS

>i7-4790k
>single thread rating: 2530
>threadripper 1900X
>single thread rating: 2083
even if the i7-4790k gets hit by a 20% reduction in performance, its still doing better than AMD's best chip

>>threadripper 1900X
can it be overclocked?

i3 here

both can be overclocked

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Sounds like a comment from someone inside Intel.
Fuck you piece of shit, you retarded point of view is meaningless, OP is right.

>single thread
fuck off you dumb nigger

t. 4790k user

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See

>what are athlon 64s
>what is 955 BLACKED edition
>what is Ryzen

>good
>fixes Phenom 1 "damage control edition" TLB bug and still inferior to C2Q
>8 years of faildozer

you sound pretty obsessed there talking about good and evil. im also not sure how you can "dehumanize" a company. i just think AMD has better engineers and sells more refined products

>pissmark
kys.

Can someone tell me about the cofefe lake scandal? I can't find any information about it

>they're all companies therefore everything they do is morally equivalent

>dehumanize a company

JUST company

Daily reminder that AMD PSP has a remote exec vulnerability:

seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2018/Jan/12

It's still about money. Imagine you have a server doing something for you to have a money to live. Now, your server isn't enough for the usual shit you have done with it, you just get fucked in your ass by intel because you have paid for something that isn't what they claimed it is.

They run video games at a higher framerate which is the only benchmark most """tech literate""" people online care about.

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Meanwhile people with more than two brain cells use Cinebench.

Holy shit incucks getting desperate now.

but how to access ring -3 in minix

Only niggers shill

All Ryzens can be overclocked as long as you don't use the A-series mobos.

It's possible they can't afford $80 computer if they can buy intel.