You may only post in this thread if your cunt is at least a Global Power

You may only post in this thread if your cunt is at least a Global Power.

Not so fast Russia, France and Germany!

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>UK is stronger than China
is this a meme?

This is pushing it.

China has no real influence outside of its borders. The UK has powerful allies and powerful banks and thus it has influence. China has a high population and a lot of income but it doesn't yet have anything else.

China vs. UK
Who wins?

China really is a shit country desu. The full extent of their power projection is the South China Sea. Literally a Commie Slave State.

Still, no idea whether or not Britain is any better.

>China vs. UK
The UK has high tech stealth planes; some have nuclear capabilities im sure.

I'd vote UK.

every time

It probably isn't a solely miltary comparison and includes a lot of "soft power" variables. I doubt it accounts for the full effects of Brexit.

China is currently buying out Africa.
And have you heard of their silk road project? It will change the world.

Meanwhile, UK has no real power, especially since Brexit, and they had to give Hong Kong to China because they couldn't have protected it

And its projection in the south china sea is so far extremely limited because of the US navy and the other nations in that area choosing to buddy up with us rather than giving in to chinese influence.

Basically china has zero projection power outside of east Asia. Whereas the UK has a bunch of small island all over the globe.

Will you posting it every week?

wait.. doesn't that carrier appear to have a ramp?

>US is the only super power
>UK is the only global power
>Regional powers are France, China, India and Germany
>local powers are countries like Italy, Brazil and Turkey

>no mention of Russia anywhere

>no mention of Russia anywhere
Who?

Kek continue think like that stupid capitalist

Da

And how many aircraft carriers?

>European Geostrategy
>Norwich, United Kingdom
hmm, really makes you think

:^)

You didnt make the cut m8.

Give it a try next year lad.

Canada's too high, and I hate to say it but India is probably too low.

>Says the country without an aircraft carrier for power projection

How are we not a global power ? We can interviene in almost every part of the world since we have so many bases.

That graphic seems fairly out of date for all parties.

We don't have an aircraft carrier? What?

America really is overpowered.

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I always thought it was the UK and France who were just behind the US in terms of global power.

I'm assuming it's because Britain has a larger auxiliary fleet in the form of the RFA.

Probably, still it gives an idea of each country's naval capability.

>UK
>France
>global power

Greentexting won't help you today.

You really cant do anything outsid of your neighbouring territories and your economy is weaker than ours.

German IPs should be rangebanned

>And its projection in the south china sea is so far extremely limited

wat

China's military is the fastest growing in the world. Their navy is expanding so rapidly, Western defense sources can barely keep up with what the chinks are building. So far they're building multiple new submarines, a second carrier, dozens of destroyers, cruisers, frigates and amphibious and auxiliary ships.
They're also pumping out islands in the SCS like there's no tomorrow, with airstrips, long-range radar installations and even fucking SAM batteries.

The SCS is already theirs.

lol

>Western defense sources can barely keep up with what the chinks are building.
user, plz.

kek this. SCS is only the beginning. Give it 2 decades and they will be blue water.

I give this map 20 meme points. Spend then wisely.

At least not a muslim country. Did you get the joke?

Europe tried to conduct a military operation in it's own backyard in Lybia and shat its pants so hard, America had to bail you. Russia is succesfully intervening in Syria, on the other side of the world. You are delusional.

How come there's a 10 points difference between you and us ? Should be 1-2 tops.

>Europe tried to conduct a military operation in it's own backyard in Lybia and shat its pants so hard, America had to bail you.
Libya is destroyed though.

And the UK and EU are going forward.

WE

We're not talking about our countries policies, its about the power they hold.

how can you be a "regional power" when the only countries you border are a super power, a country that used to be a super power and is still more powerful than you, and fucking greenland

>Libya is destroyed though.
Of course, America was there. There was never any other possibility.

>other side of the world

I've literally driven distances longer than the distance between Syria and Russia.

And the difference is that Assad wants you there and lets you set up shop there. Gaddafi wasn't exactly accommodating.

How the fuck is canada that high?. it shouldnt even be in the list

Exactly. Your countries hold zero power on the world stage. You are american vassals, nothing more.

>Of course, America was there.
The only thing the US did was give weapons to the psychopaths, that was after France and UK bombing.

>Exactly. Your countries hold zero power on the world stage. You are american vassals, nothing more.

I'm no nationalist, but this is pure delusion.

And comical coming from you Russia, given you had to bribe the French into making ships for you.

I believe after the US, the UK will be the only country to have a Supercarrier in the Queen Elizabeth Class (2 of them eventually).

Delusion is thinking that UK or France have sovereign foreign policies or power projection. Are you for real?
>bribe the French into making ships
This incredibly complex concept is called "trade".

Honestly why aren't we a regional power?

We have the second strongest army in the americas.

Now that I look closer, I think you might be right.

your One and only carrier has trouble leaving port without the assistance of 3 tugboats. Power projection is something that the UK has the logistical structure to support, we field modern Equipment, don't have to conscript, and will soon have 2 of the most advanced Aircraft carriers in the World at our Disposal. A functioning CSG goes leaps and bounds for force projection. 2 of them will Increase that further.

Please, Russia your single carrier almost never leaves dock and when it does it is escorted by tug boats encase the likely event of it breaking down.

No, it was nothing to do with """"trade"""", your ship building capabilities had been left to rot since the fall of the soviets.

Hell, even now your navy is in serious trouble over the fact that Ukraine will no longer build engines for you.

I know, just enjoying it while I still can, never giving up on our rivalry.

Vatniks will be Vatniks

>supercarrier
Just don't call it that

Why is that delusion? Of course they have, they just choose to cooperate with other NATO countries.
Not every country is as isolated as Russia, although I heard you guys recently made a new friend in the form of a roach

Really sucks you guys didn't build the PA2.

>Just don't call it that

Jealous m8? The UK will have 2 (two) SUPERDUPERCARRIERS

while technically the QE class meets the requirements to be called a supercarrier, it would be foolish to call it as such, as it isn't an actual military term, it is just a term for tonnage, and with the tonnage recent US Carriers are achieving, it most definitely is not a supercarrier, however many of the design choices are intentional.

china will have 6 carriers by the early 20's, and probably more after that.

China may have 6 carriers, but that is assuming that none of these ships have teething problems, as many are not tested, and that none of them have to be scrapped. They also need planes to be Effective, and many of Chinas new plane designs are simply not worth the cut, and in not enough numbers.

>WAAAA WAA WAA CYCKA BLEYTAAAAA RUSSIAPHOBIA PLS LOOK AT THIS RT ARTICLE, YOU CAN'T TRUST WESTERN PIG PROPAGANDA JANE'S IS WESTERN PROPAGANDA

like clockwork mate

The issue with China is more complex then that, even if they do have six carriers, they lack the decades of experience that western nations have and other such issues.

What? Even with optimistic projections, the one they're building right now most likely won't be done fitting out until ~2022. 6 carriers is a mid 2030s to early 2040s goal.

>F-35b's.

We're so fucking cucked it's horrendously sad.

Why do you think this?

>cucked

Eh.

UK and France couldn't succesfully project power across the Mediterranean. And it won't change, no matter how many white elephants with ramps UK builds. Power projection is not about the number of carriers, it's about the ability to conduct complex military operations. Something that european armed forces lack.
>buying stuff has nothing to do with trade
aight

not him, but many people complain about the F-35B because the F-35 C have a larger payload and longer range, and due to many problems with the F-35 Program has lead some to believe that the F-35 is not worth it and will underpreform.

>UK and France couldn't succesfully project power across the Mediterranean.

Well the UK has military bases on Cyprus. I'm sure there are others around.

and having a modile airbase cannot help with Force projection how? How is our Logistical train not capable of supporting massive military operations such as the one seen if Afghanistan? Please put some more though into your comments before meme sprouting.

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>Had Harrier.
>Buys Yank shit rather than modernise Harrier.

Not having your own creations in your military is rather pathetic, seeing as the military is essentially dick size and we're saying "We need yank girth to be big".

The Harrier is forever my planefu, but the UK has invested a lot into the F-35b.

>How is our Logistical train not capable of supporting massive military operations such as the one seen if Afghanistan?
Afghanistan? Your "logistical train" wont be able to support an operation in Ireland. UK doesn't have a logistical train. Mate, the days of the British Empire are long gone, wake up.

>modernize the Harrier
There's nowhere to go with it. Modernizing it would be a developmental dead-end.

China is not so far from an internal tipping point if shit really hit the fan. The people realize that they're getting fucked, and that they have no freedoms and live a pretty shitty life.

It wouldn't take much to destabilize them if shit REALLY hit the fan.

We couldn't defend Ireland but we defended the Falklands? What you smoking m8?

you do realise that the F-22 Platform and the F-35 platform are designed for different roles in mind? With the F-35 being a multi-role fighter and the F-22 being an Stealth Air superiority Fighter, not that i am bashing you, i am trying to be civil here.

>China has no real influence outside of its borders

Ah, you need to stop listening to Sup Forums when it comes to military matters. The F-35 is literally the best thing since sliced bread. Massive step up in capability from the harrier.

There's very good reason why we picked the F-35B over the C, it gives us much more flexibility in their deployment and allows us to compliant both the RAF and FA with additional numbers if required. I can link you literature on this if you want?

youtube.com/watch?v=ZtZNBkKdO5U

You are retarded.

F-35b a cute.

i am not bashing the abilities of the F-35 platform, i am simply stating other peoples beliefs, not my own, as i believe the F-35 is a very capable platform, and certainly an upgrade, however, i should have clarified this earlier.

>compliant
*complement

Ah, sorry.

hi

Are you seriously comparing a defensive war on your own soil against a massively outclassed opponent which UK still barely won to an invasion of Afghanistan?

Honestly why not keep the F22 program and keep developing it. Why spend decades and more and more billion for a plane that still has lots of problems.

Read a week ago that more billion are being injected into the program. Lockheed jews must be REALLY happy.

Isn't real influence supporting Venezuela and other shitty govts in central america.

>Britain more powerful than France

I know this country is fucked, but wow, I can't believe that

>defensive war on your own soil
the Falklands islands are 12,978 Km away from the UK? and that Afghanistan is a lot fucking closer?

hi :3

>massively outclassed opponent

At the time Argentina had pier capability. Both the Army, RAF and the US Navy believe retaking the Falklands was impossible.

The F-22 program would take boatloads of money to restart, and the software architecture is incredibly complex and hard to work with and upgrade.

they Probably are, but each platform has its own unique benefits over the other, particuarly the fact that it would be hard for an F-22 to operate on a carrier.

I'M NOT A PART OF THE SYSTEM

>Honestly why not keep the F22 program and keep developing it. Why spend decades and more and more billion for a plane that still has lots of problems.

Aircraft design fundamentals were different, at the point might as well design a new aircraft with the amount of re-design work you would be doing.