The oldest Macs that can run Apple's latest operating system have just celebrated their eighth birthday, yet all but a handful of the oldest Vista-ready PCs were still just kit and components this time last year. Macs are often criticised for being overpriced, but when you spread the cost over their respective working lives, the Mac comes out cheaper than a PC.
2 Greater stability
Macs do crash, and anyone who tells you they don't is a liar, but the tightly controlled Unix-based operating system is far more capable when it comes to isolating and terminating problematic applications than Windows. PCs come from the baby-and-bathwater school of conflict management and throw out the whole lot - data, app and OS - in exchange for a garish blue screen and a forced reboot.
3 More secure
For one thing the operating system is built on a Unix core, with all the restricted and tiered permissions management that affords. For another, the fact it has a smaller user base than Windows counts in its favour, since for the last 20 years hackers and script kiddies have largely left it alone. Long may that continue.
4 One company controls everything
The hardware and the operating system (and often the software too) are all made by a single company - Apple - and so they're guaranteed to work well together. The OS is optimised for the computer line-up, the mouse and hardware are designed with the OS in mind, and the applications are tuned to take advantage of every tweak and innovation in both. Only a Mac can deliver a smooth, well-thought-out experience end-to-end, and only with a Mac do you know exactly where to go for help and support. With a PC you'll be batted back and forth between Microsoft and whoever made your ugly beige box, as they spend the next month blaming each other for your problem.
also don't forget that mac os isn't full of adverts like windows 10
Joseph Lopez
Honestly I was gonna get a new MacBook Pro since (in my opinion) macOS > Windows for my work. But why the fuck did Apple have to put those horrid butterfly minimal key press switches in? The keyboard is so much worse than previous generations. Ruins the entire experience for me and makes me reconsider getting on, especially at that price point where if I'm spending £2k on a machine, I want it to be flawless
Lucas Johnson
this is actually a fair point. that keyboard and lack of mag safe is what is putting me off upgrading my 7 year old MBP. Hopefullly these things will be remediated in the next update due this year
Juan Lee
all valid. thanks for this informations op
Jace Rogers
I giggled at the "more secure" part.
Connor Phillips
Honestly, I just had a look at my mac the other day. It's 2013, i7 8GB of ram runs like a dream and coming up on 5 years old. My work laptop is 18 months on Windows and will need upgrading before my mac
Camden Adams
Used chinkpad with GNU/Linux is light years ahead of Apple.
Josiah Robinson
My 11" 5yo laptop with 3217u works fine with latest windows. I paid something like $600 for it, which would be like 400 in us because of the import taxes.
Wyatt Walker
My Pentium 4 PC from 2004 can still run lots of operating systems fine. My iBook from 2003 can't run shit anymore.
Jose Flores
Why are you comparing i7 mac with a pentium laptop?
Joseph Foster
>Macs are often criticised for being overpriced, but when you spread the cost over their respective working lives, the Mac comes out cheaper than a PC.
That’s not necessarily true, but my MBP from 2011 still runs fast on the latest OS
>muh powerpc based computer cant run many operating systems anymore >muh x86 based computer can still run a lot of operating systems
Aiden Peterson
>1 Cheaper in the long run And Linux can run on even older laptops. Why do you compare MacOS to a shit tier OS like Windows?
>2 Greater stability *All* modern operating systems, including Windows, MacOS, and Linux isolate processes from the kernel, preventing them from crashing the whole OS. Bluescreens are often caused by bad drivers, not user-space programs.
>3 More secure Yes, it's a bit more secure than Windows, but it's security through obscurity is disappearing as more people buy Macs. If you really want a secure OS, use Linux or BSD.
>4 One company controls everything Yes, they control everything, even their users. Would you rather control your tech, or have your tech control you. Don't get cucked by Apple.
Ian Moore
It's all good points however I make a living programming for the enterprise so that most of the times means Linux or windows environments
Colton Sullivan
>Why $1200 Macs are years ahead of $300 PCs Are you even trying?
Nicholas Reed
The new "touch bar" MacBook Pro's keyboard basically makes it useless as a laptop. If you type over 75wpm, or program a lot, the keys you use most will just start flaking off. Even keys you don't use will break and stick if even a salt-grain sized particle gets in them. I have a 2009 MBP, and it's keyboard is in better shape than my 2017 touch bar POS.
Almost all the benefits you listed here are Linux/Unix benefits, not "Apple" or Mac. Yes Windows is cancer for gamers and baby boomers, we all know that.
>Greater stability >Unix-based operating system >More secure >Unix core >all the restricted and tiered permissions management
Having the software and hardware from one company does help ensure driver support, but thats about it. However, apple has always made really awesome hardware in the past. So it was a big win-win. A good Linux/Unix like OS with a beautiful DE and great hardware!
Well, Apple must of thought FUCK THAT!! Lets make shit hardware!! I won't get into the iPhone X vs 6 and 7s etc.. but the problem is systemic. Not only you HAVE TO bring a portable keyboard with you with this new MacBook Pro TouchBar Piece Of Shit ( or deal wit the keys breaking / sticking etc .. ) it doesn't work that well as a desktop replacement! The only thunderbolt monitors that you can get dual thunderbolt support with SUCK, they are some of the worse reviewed monitors out there. I have gone back to my 2015 unibody MBP and 2012 MacPro for IOS dev.
I am currently trying to get a Linux setup with a DE that I can stand so I can switch to a Lenovo or one of those really awesome Dell laptops with the mag lev keys and the integrated ryzen GPU. Apple can probably maintain dominance as a FaceBook machine that is hard to install malware on, but thats about it.
Oh, favorite part of being a Apple customer, being told keys flaking off is water damage!! And pay us 1k to replace your keyboard!! LOL!
Logan Rodriguez
>Apple insists that the only types of PCs are Macs and Windows
This shit really is getting old
James King
>MacBook pro >cheap commodity PC GEE I WONDER WHICH IS BETTER? DEFINITELY NOT THE ONE THAT COSTS 4-5X AS MUCH! GOLLY WILLIKERS WHAT A CONUNDRUM
Cameron Howard
Reminder to report shill posts.
David Hughes
Wrong on points 2 & 3 >*All* modern operating systems, including Windows, MacOS, and Linux isolate processes from the kernel, preventing them from crashing the whole OS. Bluescreens are often caused by bad drivers, not user-space programs.
BlueScreen kernel panics were most often caused by Window's broken as hell memory management / garbage collection. While the kernel doesn't panic, because Windows user level applications no longer have access to dumping system level critical task out memory. Windows applications still suck, and crash, and lock up, all mostly due to extremely poor implementations of shity development frameworks i.e. .NET
More secure >Yes, it's a bit more secure than Windows, but it's security through obscurity is disappearing as more people buy Macs. If you really want a secure OS, use Linux or BSD.
OSX / MacOS is a BSD variant, soooo... yeah. Not quite sure if you know what you're talking about. The security on a MacOS machine is just as real as any Linux/Unix machine. Linux/Unix machines don't attain security via obscurity, they are extremely prevalent, especially in the areas hackers go for big targets. Not saying MacOS is a hardened system, but it's not inherently flawed like Windows.
There are really too many things to get into in terms of explaining how Windows is inherently insecure as an OS / Development platform. System permissions is a major one though.
Juan Bailey
this.
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Robert Young
>1 Cheaper in the long run >The oldest Macs that can run Apple's latest operating system have just celebrated their eighth birthday, yet all but a handful of the oldest Vista-ready PCs were still just kit and components this time last year. Macs are often criticised for being overpriced, but when you spread the cost over their respective working lives, the Mac comes out cheaper than a PC.
This is complete bullshit that only a mac faggot will believe. Windows 7 came out in 2009 so about 9 years ago. Everyone that used windows 7 got a free "upgrade" to windows 10. Vista was 2006 you lying piece of shit.
>2 Greater stability >Macs do crash, and anyone who tells you they don't is a liar, but the tightly controlled Unix-based operating system is far more capable when it comes to isolating and terminating problematic applications than Windows. PCs come from the baby-and-bathwater school of conflict management and throw out the whole lot - data, app and OS - in exchange for a garish blue screen and a forced reboot.
You do not even know what you are shilling, MacOS is not unix based, IT IS UNIX you fucking retard! A PC is not Windows, and secondly Macs are fucking PC's now, they use the same hardware cuck. Besides that MacOS has a shitty GUI that is even surpassed by Gnome 3. Also any Linux distro is more stable than MacOS
>3 More secure >For one thing the operating system is built on a Unix core, with all the restricted and tiered permissions management that affords.
Yeah sure, all the root access issues from the pass year sure shows how fucking good the security is...........
>4 One company controls everything >The hardware and the operating system (and often the software too) are all made
Vendor lockin is shit, also the best non apple laptops are way more powerful than the best Macbook, it is not even close.
Face it faggot, you like mac because you are a fag.
Luis Green
Then you cried when you realize it's true.
Jayden Reed
>3 More secure Yes, the operating system that allowed mash-button-to-get-root sure is secure?
Brody Nguyen
>Used chinkpad with GNU/Linux is light years ahead of Apple.
OMG MY SIDES
Andrew Carter
t. windowsbaby
Grayson Sanders
False and not an argument.
Brandon Martin
then post a screenshot soyboy
Caleb Thompson
XPS 15 with Ubuntu is the objectively best alternative. >t. Owner of both laptops
Wyatt Allen
>a macfag is calling someone else a soyboy Sorry about the resolution, not all laptops can fit 3200x1800 :)
Noah Hill
>gnome still windows, sorry virgin
David Ortiz
>gets told >resorts to lying Cry harder.
Jaxson Baker
The fact is using reddit wms still makes you a Windows baby, please stop getting so defensive over your os, neet
Mason Collins
I personally like keys with shorter travel. Lets me type faster, or at least feels like it. Plus it allows for larger, more stable keys.
Lucas Young
>gnome >wm Please keep embarassing yourself.
You can prefer the smell of feces, doesn't mean liking shit is a matter of taste.
Henry Garcia
t. windowsbaby
Christopher Diaz
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Ryan James
>what is a light year
Nicholas Stewart
even the touchpad? that's one thing nearly every other laptop seems to fail at
Connor Price
>Ubuntu Hello rebbit
Connor Cook
They're equal, just different sensitivity. Once you get used to the XPS 15 the tMBP becomes unusable and vv
Samuel Butler
interesting, thanks. i can't stand the touchpads on my two chinkpads, so maybe i should become a dellfag.
Oliver Martin
The length of time it takes to pay for an apple product.
Jayden Hall
t. unemployeed
Brody Butler
>lack of mag safe all i read is power through thunderbolt. im fine with that
Ryan Powell
It's a bit of roulette at first, make sure to stalk Dell support until you have the PERFECT machine. They HAVE to fix everything, remember this. You won't regret the choice
Juan Evans
not fucking stupid you mean.
Henry Collins
apple products aren't expensive though, you must be from some third world shithole
Jordan Brown
>1 Cheaper in the long run >The oldest Macs that can run Apple's latest operating system have just celebrated their eighth birthday, yet all but a handful of the oldest Vista-ready PCs were still just kit and components this time last year. Macs are often criticised for being overpriced, but when you spread the cost over their respective working lives, the Mac comes out cheaper than a PC. 12 year old Core 2 Duos with integrated graphics still run Windows 10 well. Stuff like 1080p Youtube playback is out of reach but fagbook browsing (which is all Apple buyers do anyway) won't have trouble.
> 2 You said it yourself, modern Windows apps don't cause kernel panics. I never claimed there weren't Windows apps that are buggy as shit (they are). Hell, Windows itself is a buggy piece of garbage, and I'd rather use Mac OS, but I'd also rather use Linux than slide Apple's long black cock into my ass.
> Impact: An attacker may be able to bypass administrator authentication without supplying the administrator’s password
Also, I never claimed Windows was secure either, I just said Mac OS isn't particularly secure either. If you can't look at the source code, how do you know you're not being cucked.
Bottom line: Mac OS steals your soul, Windows does too and is a terrible OS. Linux and BSD suck less.
Logan Cox
>You do not even know what you are shilling, MacOS is not unix based, IT IS UNIX you fucking retard!
Um no... Mac OS is a *fork* of BSD, which itself is a *fork* of Unix. Learn history before you call people retarded, retard.
If you still need help because you're so fucking stupid, look at this nice pretty picture.
Ryder Allen
Friendly reminder.
Evan Sanders
you actually get used to it after a while
Parker Cruz
Speak for yourself, I didn't. And I don't think "getting used to it" is a pro. Good things don't require you to develop Stockholm syndrome, they feel good right away.
Blake Morgan
>Cheaper in the long run iNigger poorfag confirmed.
Gavin Bennett
I get where you're coming from, and it's definitely not it's strong suite, but for everything else it does, I can put up with it and after a while didn't bother me anymore
Nathaniel Taylor
“People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware.” -Alan Kay
This is why macs thrive in the upper budget class, and chromebooks thrive in the lower class.
Also windows is a bad choice no matter the hardware, unless muh gaemz come first for you.
Evan Scott
>basically lies
Ryan Wright
And yet you can't update your entire system with a single package manager that can add repos and I can. Sad!
Aiden Adams
i have firefox quantum on a 15 year old laptop get on my level
Jack Lewis
What hardware does Apple make that goes into a MBP?
William Hall
Neither can windows.
Don't get me wrong; macOS has plenty of flaws, but so does windows and especially every linux distro.
But I'll take a flawed reliable os over a flawed unreliable os anytime. Don't forget, at the end of the day your time is the most precious, and I'd rather not spend countless of hours trying to fix bugs, or having to redo all of my work.
None. But every manufacturer designs the hardware that goes into every Apple product according to Apple's specifications, so they have very tight control over the hardware.
Oliver Nguyen
>Cheaper in the long run Yeah, PCs from other brands can get updates longer than 8 years. I'm dual booting Windows 10 LTSB and Fedora Linux on a 2006 ThinkPad R60. Everything works fine, and I'll continue to get updates for years.
>Greater stability Linux is built primarily for servers, and it's more stable than OS X. I haven't had an error on Linux that wasn't my fault in nearly a decade.
>More secure Windows has better security these days, considering OS X had bugs that allowed login as root by anyone and revealed passwords. Neither Windows nor OS X can compete with Linux for overall security.
>One company controls everything Not a good thing. It's untrue anyways, since most of the hardware isn't made by Apple. They buy the components from other companies and package them on a board that they stick in a metal case with a battery. Other manufacturers do the exact same thing. Apple hardly writes any drivers for that hardware if they're already available, and just integrate them into the OS. Windows and Linux are doing the same thing. If you want proof that I'm right, then look at the hackintosh community and explain to me how people get it to work at all. It's almost as if there's firmware for the kernel that acts as a bridge to the hardware which can be used on many platforms. Wow, amazing!
James Roberts
>Neither can windows. Why would I give 2 shits about Windows? >and especially every linux distro. I can assure you when it comes to package management, Linux reigns supreme. >But I'll take a flawed reliable os over a flawed unreliable os anytime. Me too, that's why I take Linux over macOS. I don't have to worry about things like "if you press this button enough times, you get root access" in a production release. >Don't forget, at the end of the day your time is the most precious, and I'd rather not spend countless of hours trying to fix bugs, or having to redo all of my work. You just described my 1-year experience with macOS.
>None. So you posted a quote about making your own software and hardware, only to conclude Apple makes 0% of the hardware in a mac. Did Apple start hiring shills in New Deli for pennies or something?
Connor Miller
>your time is the most precious >spend countless of hours Please tell us how you're totally not Indian.
Landon Torres
All of this plus: I can upgrade my OS and it brings back all of my applications -- and their states.
Connor Rodriguez
root
William Hernandez
all of this only applies if you're running Debian stable
Jordan Foster
hardware not made by apple
Jack Taylor
>filesystem but APFS is out now, and it's basically ZFS
>kernel works on my machine™
Oliver Cook
is it actually a fork or is it black box re-engineered
Leo Campbell
Are you stupid? >And Linux can run on even older laptops. I have a laptop from fucking 2003 running Fedora 27.
>*All* modern operating systems, including Windows, MacOS, and Linux isolate processes from the kernel, preventing them from crashing the whole OS. So only Debian stable isolates processes, you complete mong? The entire kernel design changes for that one distro?
>If you really want a secure OS, use Linux or BSD. So Debian stable is the only secure distro? Yes, please tell us how the OS where pressing a button gave you root access is second only to Debian stable in security.
>Yes, they control everything, even their users. Would you rather control your tech, or have your tech control you. Don't get cucked by Apple. So unless I use Debian stable I get cucked by Apple?
tl;dr: you are clinically retarded.
Dominic Wilson
>works on my machine™ Windows NT 3.1 works on my machine, but I don't pretend like it's any good.
Owen Rogers
hey bro, i have several commits in the kernel's networking architecture, i'm pretty sure i understand the differences between the linux kernel, and whatever userland you want on top, such as GNU.
i was referring to Debian stable having the most stable userland
Jaxson Wilson
>i was referring to Debian stable having the most stable userland Well that's a very different statement from "all of that only applies if you use Debian stable".
Julian Jackson
>vista ready
You realise this is a 10-year-old copypasta right? Right?
Ryder Wood
i just think, from my pespective, that your points 2, 3, and 4 apply to debian stable, and it naturally follows that point 1 is also validated. debian stable operates in a similar way to the way apple inc used to operate with their software releases
Tyler James
Plus it's free as long as you own Mac already
Levi Robinson
Just bought a 2011 MBP, good to know they're not shit
Dylan Rogers
>2006-2015 >trackpad impossible to click near upper edge >loose near bottom edge >overall flimsy diving board piece of shit >even applel admitted it's shit and went back to non-click touchpads >still has no real buttons >relies on pressure sensitive gimmick bullshit >if you press too lightly or too hard it does something completely different than what you intended >shit tier 1mm travel chiclet kb >OSX is a steaming pile of shit with horrendous battery management >applel's solution is to cram in a massive heavy 95WHr battery to make up for it >even XXXTREME GAMER cancer like razer blade with 4X the CPU/GPU power and 70WHr battery matches it in battery life in same tasks >gets BTFO by 55WHr Yoga 2 in battery life in same tasks >the battery takes up the space where a cooling system would've been in a laptop not designed by the world's thinnest and lightest gay hipsters >overheats constantly from abysmal crippled cooling system >throttles to 800mhz due to chronic overheating problems >retina meme for "pros" have have gloss mirror coating impossible to use with overhead lighting >blurry as shit retina meme scaling >shitbook air even worse with glossy 1366x768 TN eye cancer >systemic battery explosion problems for over a decade
>2016+ >same problems as above plus: 9to5mac.com/2016/11/03/2016-macbook-pro-thunderbolt-compatibility-issues youtube.com/watch?v=NYVjIjBMx6o >can't use any existing TB3 devices >can't use USB and wifi at the same time >ultra shit tier zero travel kb >keyboard louder than WWII cricket >memetouch emojibar >no USB-A >no escape >soldered ram >soldered SSD >tamper tape on battery screws >applel falls for their own thin meme and uses 54WH battery >2 hour battery life
