Why rip off of Apple instead of making their own, better, design?

Why rip off of Apple instead of making their own, better, design?

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Nothing is more perfect than Apple products. That's why companies can only copy and never innovate.

>constantly overheating and thermal throttling
>perfect

cue that one """info"""graphic that's been spammed thousands of times over

Why are you replying to the OP? I didn't say it was perfect, I only asked why Microsoft is ripping off of Apple's form factor design. Which they obviously are.

>A basic design with a logo that's been placed in that same spot for ages is copying Apple
Alright

Yes that shitty infographic shows a literal DUAL-CORE TABLET PC having faster performance than an apple QUAD-CORE "PROFESSIONAL" laptop.

The emojis make it EXTRA factual.
>Protip: it uses stills from a YouTube video.
>Because, y'know, YouTube is totally scientific.

Because being an executive at a major corp is much like being a politician, once you're in, you're in for life, and you can flip flop from one side to the other. I guarantee the people who designed this Windows laptop worked on a MacBook in the past.

This! Have no fear, MSDF is here!

you do know that infographic cites a video that had a shitload of dislikes because it wasn't accurate, right?
the uploader deleted it recently after removing the likes and dislikes and comments.

hmm...

lol damage control

>"After our one-hour stress test with Prime95 and FurMark (Windows), the CPU runs at only1.2 GHz, while the graphics card is also limited to just 400 MHz. Even though devices fromAsus,Acer& Co. also throttle, none of the direct rivals loses that much performance. The performance of the MacBook was much better under OS X, but the tools (Cinebench and Unigine Heaven) are not that demanding for the hardware."

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>"We had our doubts on the performance of the Surface Pro 4 Core i7 configuration considering the throttling issues found on the Surface Pro 3. Luckily, we can observe no major performance issues when under high loads. The tablet is able to maintain its maximum Turbo Boost of 3.2 GHz for both cores when under Prime95 stress and Unigine Heaven stress."

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>Prime95 and FurMark (Windows)
>The performance of the MacBook was much better under OS X

>"but the tools (Cinebench and Unigine Heaven) are not that demanding for the hardware."
*packpeddling intensifies*

...which only really concludes that this """test""" is void.

>"n-no u"

i own a macbook air
it is constantly overheating and thermal throttling
it's completely unusable during the summer, and all year round if i try to do anything other than light web browsing

How is that even relevant?
It's a shitty test. They used entirely different programs to test different scenarios.

>overheating and thermal throttling
Aren't these actually just buzzword that winfags parrot on here to talk about things they never used? How the hell do you make a macbook throttle? I do intense graphical design with photoshop, a notorious resource hog. No throttling here. It sounds like you're just making something up for a device you never really owned, but you wouldn't do that, would you?

Guys this thread was about Microsoft's laptop casing design, not inside specs

>my 10 year old budget computer that wasn't really designed for "pro" activities isn't acting like brand new waaaaah
my sister has a 2010 macbook pro and it's still going strong. what's your point? individual anecdotes are worthless.

Whenever anyone brings up Apple, someone else brings up throttling. It's a law, like gravity.

WRONG

this

>How the hell do you make a macbook throttle?
just leaving it on for ten minutes during an unusually hot day of spring seems to do the trick for me
I wouldn't consider a dozen of open firefox tabs a "pro" activity
And 1200 bucks sounds a tiny bit pricey for a budget computer

You're missing the point of Microsoft if you think they'd make an original product.

>Can we talk about the Surface Laptop's design? It isn't very orig--
>THROTTLING LMAO MACTODDLERS BTFO
Sup Forums, everyone

>my sister has a 2010 macbook pro and it's still going strong. what's your point? individual anecdotes are worthless.

Your sis does nothing but gobbles down dick all day long, how's your sis having a facebook machine relevant to this discussion?

No, they're not.
The Surface has fabric inside and the macbook only has cold, impersonal metal.

Who cares, it's not a business laptop, it's consumer-aimed.

Yes, it actually is, you fuck. Apple originated the whole massive, perfectly-centred-in-both-dimensions logo, and now everyone has to copy it. Hell for those of us with good taste.

Why rip off of Microsoft instead of making their own, better, design?

Agree to an extent that Apple don't bring many original ideas these days but at least the hardware doesn't fail as much as the Surface line. Seriously, Microsoft are blowing a huge change for them to steal a large portion of Apple's market share by releasing Surface's with backlight bleed, etc. Pretty sad desu as Surface is a really good idea.

the apple pencil is unironically better than the surface pen

Applel pencil is fucking trash that can't even detect tilt.

to be fair, everyone I know with a 2009-2010 MBP still has it now in working condition. That model has really stuck around. It may have something to do with the fact that the people I know all take care of their computers.

>Agree to an extent that Apple don't bring many original ideas
The joke is that the quote is by Jobs on Microsoft.

It's not. EVerytime you try and write on the iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil it feels like you're about to shatter the glass. Surface Pen feels like a real pen.

I also have a 2010 mbp. Those things never die.
I recently upgraded to the 15" 2012 mbp, which was the last of their kind.

On the topic of thermal throttling: I haven't done any terribly rigorous tests yet, the my 2012 mbp can sustain 3.4 ghz turbo boost, which is pretty decent considering the base clock is 2.7 ghz.

It's the same with surface pro. Stick to wacom/other graphics tablets for actual graphics work and paper/pen for everything else.

not a problem on my iPad Pro 2nd generation, maybe it's time to find a new webm
Maybe it's because you've never actually owned the iPad Pro? I've owned both and the surface literally feels like shitty glass, at least the iPad feels like you're actually writing on something.

> have less than two ports, no touchscreen, no backlit keyboard, can easly odie in more humid places
> perfect

touch screens on laptops are always shit desu

iTODDLERS BTFO

>wanting a touch screen on a laptop

no surprise I wouldn't bother listening to Sup Forums when it comes to throttling they have no idea what they're talking about most of the time.

Touch screen laptops suck

>the state of mactoddler delusion

>instead of making their own, better design
They did.
You know, watch hinge and all that.

The Surface Laptop is designed for plebs who can't stop riding that Apple dick, and won't feel at home without a similarly shaped shaft up their ass.

The older Surface Pros actually used Wacom.
But Wacom didn't want tablets to cut into their Cintiq profits, so they decided to gimp the Surface Pro.
The newer ones, which use Synaptic pens or something like that, are thiccer but apparently have tilt detection (according to that webm)

Because they don't have taste. MS is suffering from huge brain drain, and any potentially revolutionary ideas are quickly shot down by management or risk assessment. They spend billions every year and R&D and just copy Google and Apple. But the mime act isn't even good, look at products like ChromeOS and iPhone. MS responds with a gimped Windows and a DoA phone and ARM tablet line. Even Apple knew they had to provide Rosetta to prevent x86/Aqua from being a ghost town. The Surface line showed good promise, but they quickly went back to sucking shit when they attempted to explore the concept.

Feels like shit. Ipad surface feels smooth, Surface surface (lol) feels draggy and sticks to fingers.

And to think that Micro$hit wants to repeat RT.
windowscentral.com/windows-core-polaris

Of course, if there's anything I've learned over the past 5 years, it's that if you double down on retardation it usually succeeds. (unfortunately)

is it? i really like the surface pen. especially hovering to read replies on Sup Forums, hella comfy

dude take a shower, that's disgusting

when i get home from work

Yeah it's really bad lol. App capture is broken, as well as multi-gpu, injection overlays broken, even input injection is fucked. Likely in the name of "security" although I wouldn't doubt if it gets cracked wide open once they push it en masse.

newer surfaces use NTRIG pen technology, microsoft actually bought them out after using their tech on the surface pro 3, and the chips on the back of the LCD are now microsoft branded on every gen since

>pajeetsoft
>design

After you're done eating (my) ass, wash your hands and clean your nails. Please!
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Hygiene's no longer a thing in 2018, bitterhon! Get with the program.

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>Bill: Man we probably shouldn't leave our cash in the middle of the street like we have been
>Steve: Yeah man let's start moving it all inside so it's safer
>You: Moneysnag is broken, as well as ConfirmationlessCash, CashDriveby broken, even CashCam is fucked, just shows an empty street now. Likely in the name of 'security' although I wouldn't doubt that locked house gets cracked wide open once they have all their cash inside, they should just leave it on the street

I hate application programmers so god damned much

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Daily reminder that Tim Cook mocked the idea of the Surface when he first heard of it. Now Apple are desperately trying to copy the design. Face it, they're nothing without Wozniak.

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Nice try, but I'm systems. UWP on it's own isn't the issue, but the way they've handled the transition is. They have to motivate developers to adopt a modern API, without alienating the compatibility that allowed them to achieve dominance in the first place. It's not an easy problem, but it's a problem they made for themselves. They need to stop with the "S" and "Core" dance-around-the-issue bullshit and drop win32/64. Provided extended support for the last consumer windows versions supporting the API, and force consumer products to only ship with the UWP only version. Enterprise will eventually follow suit. Games and specialist software will need to make use of a win32/64 -> UWP translation layer.

wozniak never did anything original at Apple either

Copying Apple paid off for Samsung. Microsoft wants a piece of that action too.

Wozniak wasn't relevant beyond the Apple II. He had to beg Steve for recognition, someone who has to do that isn't relevant anymore.

I thought Apple's thing was taking other people's ideas and doing them better?

This is exactly what Apple does. They steal ideas, but they do an excellent job with it, so they get away with it.

Apple is gay

AP
>lower activation force
>the display feels better to draw on
>no button on the pen
>uncomfortable shape, requires grip for long sessions
>apps
SP pen
>pen has button (went from 2 to 1)
>eraser on back works on many applications
>tilt support(I think the new one does)
>higher AP, and the pen "sticks" to screen, ruins the drawing feel and makes long sessions more tiring

iTODDLERS BTFO

I just want the zune phone to be real. Microsoft could own the small form factor phone market but no, everyone wants fuckhuge phablets these days.

>The Surface has fabric inside
Yeah, and it's a terrible design.

theres a tip pack availible that has 5 or so different tip hardnesses, it's like 20$ tho. only works with the newer single button pen, though.

Literally the only similarities are the color and logo placement.

What else is there?

Because that's what literally every other laptop manufacturer has done. It's at the point that if you made a laptop that WASN'T a macbook clone, it would just scare and confuse normies.

iToddlers have defended this.

Why rip off of Acer instead of making their own, better, design?

I had a 2011 MBP. It died after 5 years.

Same. Did the GPU fry itself? That's what happened to mine. It's a design flaw and Apple is supposed to fix or replace them for free, but they wanted like $300 to fix mine because of unrelated cosmetic damage that didn't affect functioning.

It makes sense on the Surface Pro.

What's the point here? I'm honestly trying, but I can't spot a single similarity between the acer and the MBP design.

because macbooks look good and after 15+ years of plastic abominations other manufacturers still couldn't come up with something better

I had two 2011 MBPs, $2000+ each. Both of the batteries exploded and completed deformed and destroyed the bottom panel. Apple is fucking trash.

You're not supposed to take it apart. You're buying it with the understanding that you're dropping over a grand on a throwaway machine you don't actually own or control.

Yep, DGPU fried and it was new years eve 2016, which meant they couldn't even service it. Only option was spending $400 for a new logic board from a third party reseller.

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Wait. What the actual fuck. I thought I was being rused. Why is there fabric inside?

There's no fabric inside. Stop falling for shitty bait. There is a fabric cover over the keyboard, and replacing that is a massive pain in the ass that pretty much involves destroying the currently installed cover.

>a used laptop is less expensive than a new one
wtf I hate apple now

It's alcantara. It's part of the surface design language and it feels great.

Even new, a 6600U laptop isn't going to cost over $900.

I hate apple as much as anyone on Sup Forums but is retarded. We all know Apple shit is overpriced. Why not compare a MBP with a laptop that is actually similar in build and specs?

Inside as in when you open the lid, dummy. And I wouldn't call it a cover any more than the palmrest on a normal laptop is a cover. It's glued on really tightly, you can't take it off to wash it, you can't reasonably use the machine without it, and you can't go to the Microsoft store and buy a replacement.

I'm seriously going to a microsoft store tomorrow. Which laptop should I get to do classwork? Stuff like matlab, digital design stuff, and CAD.

>Why not compare a MBP with a laptop that is actually similar in build and specs?
The price difference wouldn't be dramatic enough to get any replies.