Arch has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible. Arch has *never* been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages, etc.
>pacman is fast but not safe, it tends to break shit and config protection is implemented in a terrible way >there is no official process to verify that a package is stable within the distro, in other distros a lot of packages are in a testing repo despite that specific package's developer claiming it to be stable on its own, because it might not be stable within the environment of a specific distro >a lot of AUR packages pull from upstream, which means they could be very unstable >(arch vs gentoo related) arch users complain about muh compile time when it comes to gentoo, while in fact they compile a lot of AUR packages themselves, namely the *-git packages that pull the source from a git repo >but it gets even better: they only compile a handful of packages, and those not being libraries mostly, the self-compiled packages get linked against precompiled libraries from a different setup (e.g. different optimization levels), which can then cause even more instability because it's a clusterfuck of unequal shit >arch uses (((systemd))) and switching to something else is hard >apparently the vim package on arch used to pull in X, so if you wanted to have a fancy terminal text editor on a headless server, you would've had to install a shit ton of GUI stuff you'd never need nor use >maintainer told the guy who complained to just symlink vi to vim (vi is inferior)
TL;DR: Despite its """minimal""" install state, Arch is actually very bloated.
Chase Hill
A reminder that XFCE 3 is a good tier WM\DE
Logan Jackson
looks like CDE and maybe Fluxbox a bit. nice!
Christopher Cooper
>arch
Charles Allen
Reposting Autistic minimalism rant:
The thing for me when it come to this is that I'm kinda disgusted by the amount of bloat in popular applications and environments.
Let's take the picture viewer as an example. What does it do? That's right! It views pictures! We have also seen picture viewers that can run with very tiny amounts of ram, and do their job pretty well. Why then should we be using a picture viewer that does the exact same practical thing as this minimal picture viewer, but is 10+ times heavier?
I've heard this a lot, the whole "lel just get a newer computer grandpa!" I'd like to let you know that I use minimal setups both on a 2012 Fagbook Pro, and a Xeon workstation being used as a desktop. Both of these have 16+ GB of memory. What you have to understand is that just because we have the resources, doesn't mean it's right to use them to the limit. Why should we artificially use more resources for the same tasks just because we have the capability to do it. That's retarded. At that point we should just rewrite the kernel in electron because clearly anyone who has a problem with that just needs to download more wam.
Another key component for me is that achieving a high level of minimalism often involves switching to a vey terminal-heavy lifestyle. This is good as it provides a universal interface. The interface used to shitpost, consume content, and whatnot, is the same interface that would be used when administering a server, when configuring my NAS, when working with Amazon EC2 installations, etc.
Why do you hate keeping things simple? Why do you want things to use more resources than they have to to complete their function?
TL;DR: /minimalism/ is a very logical way of doing things, and provides a universal interface.
Jayden Wood
Oh I just caught that. I hope he's at least using it with OpenRC.
Nathaniel Powell
I want to try switching from system d to runit on arch, how can I do that?
Ethan Taylor
>muh Amiga OS is shit meme Spotted the 16 year old American.
Landon Adams
I don't think you can do that on Arch. There's an article but it's flagged as out of date and is not recommended. OpenRC can be installed and configured with steps here wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Openrc There's also a few forks that use it as default.
Lincoln Howard
>DE BLOAT L O A T
Levi Turner
to be fair he's using an ancient version of an very lightweight DE. But yeah a WM would probably be lighter.
Justin Bell
Is this really a DE? And WindowMaker is a WM? 7MB is nothing.
Jeremiah Barnes
Faggy friend, is this you?
Brayden Gonzalez
no
Levi Nelson
Yes! Hi!
Sebastian Wilson
t. butthurt arch user
John Jenkins
also, i missed u
Cooper Bell
One reason I can think of with picture viewers is if you want better scaling algorithms.
Sebastian Baker
i've never really had an issue with that.
Jackson Gomez
Most people are fine with bilinear if all they're doing is browse their 2000+ images folder. Some people just like to use lanczos to read their mangos.
Aiden Mitchell
interesting... would feh have any difference from sxiv in this regard?
Nicholas Nelson
Not really. Almost all image viewers are going to be using the simplest and fastest algorithm so the quality is going to be the same. Only specialized ones (like comic book viewers) are going to give you an option to change that.
Angel Rivera
ah ok I see.
Christopher Torres
>achieving a high level of minimalism often involves switching to a vey terminal-heavy lifestyle. This is good as it provides a universal interface Bell Labs had a better, non-terminal-emulator universal interface by the early 80's. Resizing a terminal emulator doesn't even reflow the text, let alone give you an always-available text editor so that every program doesn't need to link readline in on its own.
Leo Cooper
>Bell Labs had a better, non-terminal-emulator universal interface explan
Easton Mitchell
Is there somewhat minimal software who reads libreoffice and microsoft office files? I might install the whole libreoffice desu, but I mostly need to read files and I rarely write them or need to edit them.
^_^
Luke Lewis
My butt works just fine, thanks
Aaron Torres
^.^
I don't think that exists. There is a viewer like that on android, but I don't think there's one for desktop loonix.
Caleb Flores
>My butt works just fine OwO
Brayden Lee
I think he's talking about plan9. A more unix than unix operating system that was designed with graphics in mind.
Wish me good luck. For the next I might have my cup in full load to compile it.
Asher Wilson
*next few hours I might have my cpu...
Julian Cruz
>I think he's talking about plan9. oh ok. >compile it. a gentoo user! cool!
Nicholas Foster
lowRISC might be released this quarter get hype!
Ryan Watson
Catdoc
Zachary Brooks
yay you found it for him! thanks!
Oliver Rogers
Pretty neat, but excel and powerpoint files are still a problem.
