Linux handheld/UMPC thread

Preferably non ARM shitters.
The nudingoo is starting to pick up some steam. We now have a port of midnight commander (dingux commander) and a bunch of emulator ports with a correct aspect ratio that show off how nice the screen is.
It's also confirmed to work with the high capacity nokia batteries. The stock ~1000mah battery gives me around 4.5 hours with an emulator running and at max brightness, so the ~2000mah batteries should give close to 7-8 hours.

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youtube.com/watch?v=aKlOKIZp5YU&t=29s
youtu.be/vcBVFgrRcHk
dropbox.com/s/e83k2zaxc1sgxjz/Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei.smc?dl=0
dropbox.com/s/w1f1qx3z7cf0rc4/Shin Megami Tensei.smc?dl=0
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If it shits with PSX and SNES emulation, it's shit.

SNES is fine, PS1 probably wont happen.
Why would you want to play PS1 on anything but mednafen anyway? And most consoles lack R2 and L2 buttons so a lot of games don't play right.

>no analog sticks
>best emulation is probably still SNES
These thing haven't evolved at all since the F200 have they? It's fucking sad seeing those open linux handhelds getting superseded by chinese android crap.

Also compare the original A320's screen to this.

Well android has the advantage of just being able to download emulators and stuff from the play store, so they don't need a dev community, these do.
Also these things run a non bastardized version of the linux kernel and don't spy on you.

Here's some sanic

Here's my waifu

Yeah Yeah, but somehow these things haven't really gotten any better. Slightly better clockspeeds and nicer looking screens, sure but why are there no analog sticks, no secondary shoulder buttons, even the touchscreen from the later GPH handhelds is gone and emulation of 3D consoles still seems impossible.
I just want a Linux handheld with these capabilities that isn't ridiculously overpriced.
If I could get a GP2X for 100 bucks back then I should be able to get what I outlined for 100-150 bucks today.
There's no wonder the dev community is dead if there's no evolution in hardware design.

Well for the chinks to make something cheap there has to be an economy of scale, and sadly that went to the ARM side with mediakek chink tablets.
Does it suck that these are limited in power? yep.
Am I content with being able to run GBA, SNES etc with some cool ports of desktop linux software. Hell yeah.
You're getting a fantastic screen, actual fucking buttons and having at least one fucking device in your life that doesn't have an internet connection.

I might actually be able to finish a fucking game, instead of just tabbing out and shitposting. Also I have a giant fucking backlog of GB/C/A and SNES games to finish anyway

>SNES is fine
go for Starfox 2 then

>Am I content with being able to run GBA, SNES etc with some cool ports of desktop linux software. Hell yeah.
I'm not saying that isn't great. And honestly, I am glad they these handhelds are still around, but I would have expected more by now. I'm just sad that 'more' never came.

Tell me though, were is the community nowadays? Haven't really been keeping up with it since I lost my Caanoo.

i installed ubuntu touch on my 2013 nexus 7 a few days ago so i could read the oreimo light novel while on the go
its pretty comfy with ubuntu touch, ssh access to it is really nice, but overall its a bit slow
anyone else ubuntu touch

Android doesn't have PDF readers?

The dingoonity forums.
For this specific device, here's the thread.
boards.dingoonity.org/other-game-systems/revo-k101-shell-used-in-another-device/

the ln is epub
but valid point, i just wanted to install ubuntu flash i guess

wait isn't ubungo touch dead now?
Is it still getting security updates and such or did they completely kill it off?

no fucking clue

>it has an ext port
>it actually seems to be hooked up to something
I wonder if that could be used for homebrew or even a modified game boy emulator.

Yeah it's the same ones that the GBA used.
It would be rad as fuck if you could do multiplayer with this, especially if it works somehow with legit GBAs

Would be cool if someone came up with something. But then again all the community seems to do nowadays is port Dingux and other software long available.

Dingux is the chink firmware that it comes with
Has outdated libs and an old kernel.
Opendinux is the good stuff.
Anyway I really see thing going places. It's cheaper than the GCW0 was and it won't have any supply issues, that was the main thing that really killed off the gcw dev community.

Let's hope it picks back up. Would be neat seeing open handhelds get revitalized.
Is there an archive for ported software anywhere like the old openhandhelds.org? (man looking through that site reminds me of so many homebrew games I had fun with)

The biggest issue I've noticed that the community is having is porting OpenDingux, as well as scaling issues because the resolution of the screen is a bit weird (I think its 320x480). As soon as they port over some half decent emulators, optimize them, add themes, and remove the shit firmware that runs on it by default the value that you get for 45-60 dollars is incredible. This could be the legacy of the Dingoo A320.

Also the battery is upgradable, you can purchase a 1390mHa replacement rather than the shitty 800ishmHa that it comes with.

Page 19 has all the GCW/A320 emulators have have been patched for the resolution. NES, GB and picrodrive are running full speed but SNES and GBA are running a bit worse than the built-in emulators.
boards.dingoonity.org/ingenic-jz4760-devices/revo-k101-shell-used-in-another-device/270/
Well they already got some of the emulators working, dingux commander and a dmenu port with the correct resolution.
opendingux is really a matter of time.
And yeah, the battery is just a standard nokia one, I'll probably order an extended one eventually for jrpg marathons in bed.

If this going smoothly, I might get one of this unit soon. I own the REVO 101+ and like the unit quite a bit when playing GBA games. Would love to play some of the older games on it for it's size. Will bookmark the link and keep an eye on the update of this handheld.

What systems are you trying to play?
NES and GB/C are perfect. CPS is pretty damn good for most games, the rest still needs a bit of work.
By the way, when and where did you buy your revo?

Who here is getting a Gemini PDA?

Is there a price and official ship date?
I'm tired of UMPC scams
Only the chinks seem to deliver but they always use the wrong CPU and OS

Right now, any handheld game before GBA and console before Ps1 is what I am interested in. Just want to play them in a very small handheld.

For my REVO K101+, I got it recently from someone who is selling his one. Mine come with the unit plus a carrying case, two high capacity battery, the plug and cable, and a 64GB Micro SD card. Unit is still in good condition and work fine for the GBA,GB, and GBC games I am playing on it.

I thought the revo didnt do GB/C so well?
Since it was just emulation

GB games from what I test work fine without any issue I notice (might be sound issue but can't say on my end).

GBC is where you start to notice the issue. Game speed drop, still image in the game turn into random image, etc. I notice it in games which try to push the GBC to it's limited like Shantae or Resident Evil which have the issue. It's kinda still playable but it's not something I would say it's worth playing it.

Well shantae works great with gnuboy on the nudingoo
it still needs a better gba emulator to be on par with the revo though.
Can your revo do the patched enhanced versions of the gba final fantasies?

This is why these shits died out, and rightfully so.
a fucking normie can get way more mileage out of even a shitty android phone.

Yes it can. I manage to get the ROM of Final fantasy games with enhanced sound version and did do a quick play of VI and from how far I manage to go before I stop, it work fine without any issue. Do note; I didn't manage to play the entire games yet on my REVO but I did notice the sound enhanced as I play the original GBA version long time ago.

The only ROM of Final Fantasy enhanced I didn't test yet is the hard mode for 1 and 2. Don't mind if they is a link for ROM with the patch add on.

Translated GBA/GB/GBC do work fine for what I see but I didn't have to chance to play through the entire games yet on my REVO. You can blame this on my Phantasy star play-through right now on it.

Oh cool, I was wondering how those did on "real" hardware.
Are you playing the GBA ports of Phantasy star?
I'd say you're missing out on some good ol' genesis FM synth

Me. Love the concept of it, but it better not be a fucking scam, IndieGoGo shit is always a gamble. Mostly in it for Linux, but MediaTek shit is also a gamble.

It's $399 for the wifi+4g version, but at retail it's going to cost another $200. The backer discount ends this month, so there's a few days left.

Apparently they're mass producing them now and the first batch ships and comes out before the Chink New Year period. Second batch comes out later in February.

The UMPC market is absolute dogshit right now, it's just emulator trash.

Yup, the GBA port of Phantasy star collection. Playing the 1st one as I manage to beat 2 and 3 before on genesis. Never finish 1 and 4th is around 90% finish before I stop. This was very long time ago when I was playing it on the PC at the time.

UMPC market tend to be all over the place depend on what you want from them. Most UMPC are either going for emulation or trying to target people who want to use them for work.

They're few which look promising for work like the Gemini PDA but like the 1st UMPC wave which come to North America in the mid 2000s, the market isn't big to start with and the cost of the UMPC at the time, limited who will buy this stuff. I guess now, the price is much cheaper than what it was but it's still have the same issue and with smart phone in the market now, the UMPC will stay in the niche market for the time been.

It just annoys me that the individual components are there (screen, SoC etc.) but no one has bothered to make a decent mold and shove everything together at a decent price.

I guess tablets may have stole some of UMPC's thunder.

I agree.

It doesn't even have to come completed, you have stuff like the Raspberry Pi Zero W and a bunch of cheapass TFT screens that do the job just fine. Why is nobody making a UMPC case for SBCs? Literally just a box, a battery compartment, and a keyboard. Not everyone owns a 3D printer yet.

>Love the concept of it, but it better not be a fucking scam

literally the first youtube video I found of it being shown in real life at a tech trade show was flooded with comments about the owner being a notorious conman who has promoted vaporware UMPCs before and disappeared with all the money.

The Gemini seems viable since it's literally just a chinkphone with a LG G6 screen bolted on a hinge.
It's not like the Smach Z where they wanted to put a 35W TDP APU inside a fanless handheld.

youtube.com/watch?v=aKlOKIZp5YU&t=29s

relevant video

It's not really the tablet which kill it (kinda but they come later). It's actually the netbook which kill any chance for the UMPC to get any market share in the tech world.

When a UMPC might cost you from $1000 to $3000 USD at the time when it released while the netbook cost you less than $700 when it came out at the time, the consumer will most likely pick something cheaper but also have the necessary stuff they need to use on the go. Hence the netbook market grow while the UMPC start the decline.

Eventually, the UMPC got killed when the smart phone came into the market. Kinda sad as they is potential but just consumers just go with something which work and cheap.

youtu.be/vcBVFgrRcHk
Looks like they have a working prototype this year. Their indiegogo says it's hit production, so lets see how these next few months go.

Fuck me, that isn't what the Linux side of the Gemini is actually going to be like when it ships, right? Please tell me they're just demonstrating that it can boot GNU/Linux and they aren't actually going to ship a touch-driven ultra-mobile device with a bone stock ARM Debian image with larger default icon size.

Will keep an eye on this as the impression video do look decent. Won't buy the 1st batch and wait till impression from people who got them and if they is any issue with them.

they had a working prototype of the device they used to steal $550,000 too.

you people are absolutely ridiculous. not only is this guy violating indiegogo TOS by starting a new campaign when his old one hasn't been delivered yet, hes a known con man. and you're literally falling right into his routine trap. Jesus Christ. are you religious too?

I'm not taking any sides. All I'm interested is how these next few months will pan out for the Gemini.
Not gonna support anything over Indiegogo because of its policies.

Before the netbook and the smartphone it was the subnotebook and Pocket PC, or the HPC and the Pilot/Palm III before that, or the Newton and the Pilot, and so on, UMPCs never had a chance to gain market share from almost the very beginning, they were always a niche device catering to a niche market that desperately needed a piece of PC-only software in an ultra-mobile package, hobbled by the simple reality that a desktop operating system developed primarily for displays 13'' or larger sucks utter shit on a 5-6 inch device with a thumb keyboard and a tiny trackball.

That's not to say that they still didn't offer any excitement, convenience or utility in some use cases, or that they aren't still fun to collect and work with even today, but it in the end it doesn't surprise me that they were always in the shadow of devices that were built for the purpose both on the hardware level and the software level as PDAs and smartphones were.

I believe too many UMPC vendors then and now focus on just the hardware side of things, when they should be taking a page from HP's book when they built the 8086-based LX palmtops; they were more than capable of running anything you could run on a fully fledged XT clone, but they also incorporated a shell and a number of built-in applications designed from the ground up for what they were being run on, rather than just dumping you into a DOS prompt. If vendors tried harder to make UMPCs something more than just an oversized PDA running "real" Windows, I think they might have had a better shot at it, and may have a more compelling argument to exist in the future.

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You might have a problem user

Source?

RS-97, I posted a link earlier

Battery life update on the nudingoo
Played exactly an hour and 45 mins of puzzle fighter last night, shut the thing down from 11pm to 9pm today and I just finished 40 mins of castlevania and another 2 hours of puzzle fighter.
So about 4-5 hours of gameplay on the stock battery.
Not bad at all, comparable to a 3DS.

>Find out about the arduboy
>qt as fuck
>It's 50 fucking USD
Why

y'all preordered yet?
GPD WIN 2 gonna be the best shit ever :>

Does it support loonix?

xubuntu works 99% perfectly out of the box as tested by the phawx on yt, 1% being the touch screen orientation is portrait rather than proper. Rotating the digitizer's mouse input can't be more than a .cfg edit though, which will come in time. But yeah linux works great on it w/ normal keyboard mouse joystick input

KDE or gnome would probably support touch screens a lot better than xfeces.
I bet they're using a phone screen though kek

yeah they are, most projects like this do now

That's sad
phoneshits fucking up the economies of scale

the fuck's wrong with it though
like why does it bother you that phones allowed small displays to be cheaply mass produced and distributed
if anything, cell phone technology is opening the door to modern UMPCs

Homogenizing technology is never a good thing.

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Very qt, nice choice user.

Like SNES, it depends on the game for PS. I played Spyro on my A320

How well, what's the frame rate, which Spyro?

The original Spyro with the system overclocked got me ~15-20fps iirc. Not good, but playable. It was about as bad as Top Gear, the only SNES game I played that had a coprocessor. I don't think I ever tried Top Gear while it was overclocked though.

Ubports forked it and maintains it.

Anyone know how to repair drifting analog sticks on the PSP?

New analog module. I think they're like $3.

The guy (Janko something) joined the other scam after it was already a scam to try help them ship the thing, he was probably hired to do so. The Gemini actually looks like it's going to come out due to how basic it is. The biggest risk is determining how shitty the thing is gonna be.

That's exactly what's going to happen, but if they get KDE Plasma to work then it's all good. I personally do not care at all for a GUI, just shell access and a terminal/CLI. I've used a GUI with a RPi 3B before and using Debian with a touch screen isn't bad, just not good either.The real problem is (again) MediaTek and their shitty open source support.

I was at least hoping they'd try to deliver some kind of unique experience on the Linux side. Even if I can just rip it out and throw a tiler on it, it's pathetic how little attention it's gotten.

Bump

This shit was a fucking nightmare
I went through 3 analog sticks and every single one drifted
Thankfully I was able to get through portable 3rd (this was when it came out) before I finally just gave up.
By the end I was just letting the stick drift and moving with the camera

I literally want this but with a mips or arm CPU so it won't need a fan and can actually give decent battery life
Why is that so hard in 2018

That's a bright screen but is it just me or do the pixels look weird?

I ended up setting the deadzone to 100% and paired a dualshock to it.

What's the cheapest way to have a portable console capable of running GBA/GBC games?

The one that's being shill-posted on here, RS-97.
It runs GBC perfectly and some GBA really well. For the latter you're gonna have to wait a bit until emulators are properly written for it and not just hackjob ports. Or help out if you know any C.
I posted a bunch of pictures of the screen at the start of the thread

>otating the digitizer's mouse input can't be more than a .cfg edit though,
Yeah, it's a simple Coordinate Transformation Matrix setting

Can that be set during kernel compilation?

It's just a xorg.conf setting.

For anyone that has one of these.
Can you try to run these rom and tell me how is it?
dropbox.com/s/e83k2zaxc1sgxjz/Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei.smc?dl=0
dropbox.com/s/w1f1qx3z7cf0rc4/Shin Megami Tensei.smc?dl=0
I tried to run both on my defunct A320 and PSP and they ran like ass.
That is the only thing stopping me from getting one.

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>no shoulder buttons
Why would anyone want this?

hipsterism

Why does the screen look like ass?
Also the pi zero really sucks

Sup fellow smtfag
They both work really fucking well. Even on the stock emulator. Much better than how I remember the PSP running them, at least doe smt, kmt wasn't translated back then.

Fug it flipped
Here's kmc, also running great. I wish the stock emulator had an fps counter
My guess is it'll drop a few franes/slow down durning boss fights cause of the moving backgrounds.
It handles the mode 7 at the start of ffiv much better than the PSP too.

Oh and I made sure frame skip was at 0

I want to believe in it but I also never believed in pre-ordering expensive things based off a promise or hype. I really hope I can replace my smartphone because the morning smart phone does not suit me at all.

>It's $399 for the wifi+4g version, but at retail it's going to cost another $200.
that means it will cost the same as a flagship phone. it definitely needs to be able to run plasma mobile at least. I might be able to accept it having a bad keyboard since it would be better than a software one.

>I personally do not care at all for a GUI, just shell access and a terminal/CLI.
I do think it would be cool to have a pocket-sized device I can deploy my I3 rice on but I don't want it to be mandatory to be able to do anything. Ironically being able to run a terminal and having a keyboard makes it more of a gaming device for me then the average smartphone. It would be able to play nearly any roguelike as long as it doesn't require a numpad.

Switch to be honest

Thanks a lot!
I remember KMT was the one that gave me more graphic glitches, but it looks perfect in there.

At least I can play SMT in my bed.

Just running around the first dungeon in kmt and I'm got getting any graphical issues.
When SNES9x gets ported over proper it'll probably be perfect

why did mediatek allow them to use unlocked bootloaders? all phone manufacturers have them locked and provide no updates to them and its hard to believe that this would be an exception.

>When SNES9x gets ported over proper
it's on retroarch already right?

What do you mean?