/ag/: audio general

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hand made in Japan

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all you men care about is one thing

Life is all dynamics

Why are the Japanese the best?

jyapan

>hot and smells like mildew
nah, I'm too acquinted with shitty old buildings to appreciate this picture, I just know I'd be uncomfortable.

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It will be fun to see what Dynaudio does to the coming Confidence refresh, considering the extensive work they did on the Contour.

What kind of cable crystals are you guys using? I'm currently rocking brilliant pebbles

something compact and powerful i hope

cables are a memefest

Doesn't smell at all, and wasn't hot.

Some of these music kissaten smell like smoke but not here.

Would be nice to see a Dynaudio version of the System Audio Pandion 50 with the same woofers as they use in the Contour 30. I don't really see the point in bookself speakers if they are placed on stands, better to use the height to fit more woofers to decrease the distortion.
Sure, small compact speakers with a big sound are impressive from a technical standpoint, but it's not the way to go for ultimate fidelity.
I'm also glad to see that Dynaudio used 9,5" woofers in the Contour 60, that gets my hopes up for something big in the new Confidence lineup. Would be cool if they made a speaker like the current Confidence C4 but with the drivers from two Contour 60. 4x9,5" per speaker could amount to some serious dynamics.

None. I might be a audio enthusiast, but I don't buy into the whole cable meme. I'm happy as long as the cables are of enough good quality and not defect in their design.

i prefer something uncluttered and austere

its dynaudio vs raidho for the next five years

>tin plated copper

27 dollar per one hundred foot copper wire works too

I've tested the Raidho X1 against the Dynaudio Contour 20 against each other. The X1 did not impress me in any way. It's just too small and the tweeter performance did not impress me either. Contour 20 on the other hand was quite nice. Was considering getting the Contour 30 or 60. But already owning speakers with 2x8" woofers the 30 felt like a downgrade, and the 60 are just to tall, I would have to lift the sofa like 8" to get in the right height.

$10/meter. I use them for my $15k speakers, deal with it.

any modern passive bookshelf speakers with at least 8" driver?

JBL has a few

thinking of buying a dynaudio set, but they seem to be mostly back ported.
wanting a set of bookshelves to be wall mounted, but want tight sound. The Emit 10's, but front ported ideally.
Thoughts on their newer lines?

expensive speaker cables are snake oil. theres absolutely no difference in sound quality as long as the cable isnt broken.

Why even spending the money on plugs if you are going to cheap out on the cable. Bare wire even performs better than plugs.

because those are easier to connect and disconnect and they were really cheap.

Still harder to connect the banana to the cable than the cable to the speaker terminals.

it is indeed but i need to do that only once

But how often do you connect or disconnect your speakers? ten times a day?

rarely but these are always connected properly unlike the cable that might be too loose or inserted so that it does not connect properly and those plugs solve that problem.

there are no incompetent dynaudios
at higher msrp the tweeter class and the crossover type improve, with associated improvements in resolution, dynamics and soundstage imaging
the order is emit-excite-focus-contour-confidence-evidence
as you move up the chain, you need more powerful, and then ridiculously powerful amplifiers, like 1000 watts

emit is 6 ohm so you need a moderately powerful amplifier of about 60 to 100 watts with good current handling

if you want front ported you might look at Monitor, Cambridge Aero, or Focal Chorus

i think in most situations the cables dont matter
some people run very high energy systems with really excellent speakers - these speakers bring out the most minor electrical fluctuations
i think in this latter instance, shielded cables and power conditioners actually matter, meaning, their effect can be audible and bothersome
whether that warrants spending 2K on cables isnt my call since i will never pay more than 7K total, but some people have speakers that cost 35K and these speakers have unbelievable resolution

that sounds like a good reason but most people wont ever have that much money available to spend on speakers so its very likely only a issue for very few.

dali has a zensor with a 7" woofer

nice to know that someone still makes proper speakers. most speakers i see these days have tiny 4" drivers and cost anything from 100 to 2000€

so, proper speakers isnt a thing anymore
vintage models with the huge woofers were good in their day but modern driver design (since about 1998) means better dynamics, resolution and power handling with woofers in the 6 to 7 inch range, going down to 35 to 40 hz, taking in 150 watts

ive never seen a raidho in person but ive heard both very good and strangely very meh opinions about them so i dont know what to think; raidho makes good drivers but theyre expense is astronomical

the gentleman in pic related used excite 12s, closely related to emits, and a rel subwoofer in nearfield
dynaudios have very strong drivers so they would probably sound better farther out, but this person got good results; his speakers are nice but i find his set up extremely ugly

Just stop being a faggot already. Modern 6-7" can't compete against modern 15", it's just physics. A 15" woofer has 4 times bigger area than a 8" woofer, large voice coils that can take more heat, higher efficiency and often more xmax. Sure, modern 5-7" woofers are impressive for what they are, but they can never compete.

they may be able to produce some low frequencies but it starts to distort or make them inaudible when you turn up the volume because the tiny woofer cant handle it.

>it's just physics
>bigger area
so, without sperging out into the "my speaker is bigger than yours so it must be better" domain, youre actually controlling for a single variable?
youre not aware that magnets are more and more powerful, and electronic controls are more precise?
that's real 70's, man

I'm talking from real world experiences.

Notice anything?

looks like ... power modulation per frequency in a smaller enclosure achieves compatible spl as with a larger enclosure assuming constant power, impedance, and voltage

what is Qt? is pic related Qt

oh hi, i was just filling theaters on 10 watts of power when hitler was still alive

I dunno. Iwas hoping you did.

be back later
gonna buy some CDs

>youre not aware that magnets are more and more powerful, and electronic controls are more precise?
You could take the strongest magnets in the world and put them on a 5" woofer and still have it outperformed by a conventional 15" woofer. A 5" woofer would need to have 8 times the xmax as the 15" in order to move as much air. Sound is airwaves, not magnetism.

I recognize that handwriting.

Qt is the descriptor of resonance losses, or rather, the lack of losses. High Q means stronger resonance, and you can see the resonance effect is more pronounced in the upper chart.
Do you want to ask about something else?

Shame these threads die, thank you for making them OP. My entry subwoofer is a BIC F12. I'm currently looking to upgrade to something that has more range in the low end/accuracy and would last me for the foreseeable future. Is there anything in the 500 dollar range that would fit that criteria?

Is that a fucking Crosley?

Good idea? Bad Idea? Opinions?

Can anyone rec any decent preamps? Nothing too pricey I'm just going for "good enough to warrant using instead of the built in preamp in my LP120"

My hearing is normal tho

Used rel t7

>Thousand dollars new
>Also out of stock
I see why you say used. What do you like about it?

I had the older model of those monitor audios and they were the shit. Sold them to get the JBL LSR305 and I miss them every fucking day.

>tfw I fell for the studio monitor meme

How do I find a blonde gf?

What's wrong with the studio monitors?

they sound thin in comparison

>JBL
Begone, normie

eat a bag of dicks

You begone, normie

Why do you hate on horns?
Do you like distortion or something?

Filling theaters with horny sound. Yeah it works but it's not nearly what we consider full range.

Western Electric made some fantastic drivers that went on battleships, they made their way into speakers after the war. Sounded really really good on vocals, but that's it. They were built to reproduce the human vocal range, not be full range.

I've heard those avant garde trios, although without the subs. They were pretty spectacular.

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Those are Cessaro, not Avant Garde

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around 300-400 euro budget incl accessories which is better speakers or headphones?
mostly for details in mids and highs and the wow factor
gonna watch movies listen to music and game with em

So I'm still pretty new to the audio game. My setup includes these two babies: Micca OriGen and OriGain. My OriGen drives my headphones but it also feeds into the OriGain to drive my speakers. When I use my speakers both nobs on the 'Gain and 'Gen adjust the volume. My question is does it matter if I leave one maxed and use the other and if so which?

i bet that this thing gets overloaded by normal volume levels and explodes at the max setting.

Thanks for answering the question faggot

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i think it depends on the noise and distortion levels of either device, and the current generation from the amplifier compared to the impedance of the speakers youre using - youd prolly need to listen for noise at max volume with no actual audio playing and adjust the DAC, and then play the amp and see if at max volume certain intervals of the music sound recessed

that was actually somewhat entertaining
but why are there always buxom blonde aryan girls in japanese comics

My vintage hi-fi does applies Doppler redistribution to giver a fuller sound.

i really don't like the idea of shit BLARING at me, like I'm in traffic, or devices that take up too much space with shapes that look like kidneys or intestines - it's too much; i prefer audio thats compact, lean and linear shaped

My vintage hi-fi does uses doppler redistribution to give the fullest sound.

Horns don't BLARG, they are relaxed and chilled. A small speaker on the other hand is like a tiny feminist yelling at the top of her lungs.

"Frequency balance is being affected, I think, by my room. There is a mild emphasis on the midrange, which, now that the speakers are properly positioned, is not unpleasant. As some visitors to my home have noted, the high frequencies do seem to be a bit rolled off, but there is no sense of a veil being placed over the sound. There is plenty of extension at both ends of the spectrum. Everything is there, but the treble is at a slightly reduced level. I find this a very positive euphonic characteristic, which allows for long listening sessions free of fatigue. Especially smooth is that upper-midrange/lower-treble zone that I am so sensitive to. Even at very loud levels, there is never any raggedness, etch, grit or metallic sheen in this range (source material allowing, of course). I did briefly try the Ohm Walsh 2000s full range, without the subwoofers. They seem to go fairly deep, perhaps to the low to mid 30Hz-range. However, I cannot expect them to do what the Vandersteen 2Wq subwoofers do so very well, so back in they went.

The soundstage was something of a surprise. The Vandersteen 1Cs would project images into the room, so that vocalists and other performers were within arm’s reach, or even right at the sides of your head. In contrast, the Ohms present a more laid-back soundstage, with everything taking place at and behind the plane of the speakers. This is not necessarily better or worse, just different. That said, when recordings used phase trickory to move sound about the room, the Ohms did this exceedingly well. On a DVD of Bjork performing live with the Icelandic String Octet (played in stereo), some percussion clearly sounded as if it were coming from just to the left of my left elbow! ...phasey effects floated all over the sides and rear of the room. There is great width, source material permitting, that seemed to extend beyond the side walls, and height that reached the ceiling."

so, its odd, and expensive

these should be in a larger room, not a regular living room, unless the user is deaf

Where did you source this from? Interesting analysis.

>unless the user is deaf
Horns are not only used to give the speaker more dynamic capacity, but also to lower the stress on the drivers and amps by increasing the sensitivity.
Increasing the sensitivity by 10dB means that you need 1/10th less power to play at the same level. 1/10th less heat into the voice coil, 1/10th times less cone movement, 10 times less power from the amp.

big speakers are good but i prefer that they look like normal speakers and not those weird things that looks like they are made for art fags.

Has anyone here built their own speakers?

Did you notice that most horn-loaded speakers are fucking huge, and heavy, and compatible to putting two industrial sized washing machines in the living room?

Do you know how public address horn speakers or megaphones sound from a range of 300 feet?

Did you notice all the posters who own these monstrosities have tiny rooms and tons of sound treatment to prevent horrific frequency response superposition effects?

Just coincidence probably.

I've built a pair from scratch about 10 years ago. Crossover ended up bad and spoiled the result. Would like to try again now that I have more knowledge. Building a DIY kit should be no problems, designing it from scratch takes a lot of time with measurements, simulating and testing.

I bought 2 dynaudio emit m20 speakers and an amplifier cambridge audio cxa60.
I don’t know but in that price range i can’t imagine anything coming close to it.

"The curve is traditional in the sense that there is a huge mid-range hump with the higher range dropping off toward 20kHz. In this sense, it directly contradicts their white paper claim of "wider" frequency response. Yes, it extends to 20Khz, but it is down over 10dB in the process just like every other large format driver made. To make the final frequency response flat (and it is very, very flat in their final system-wide graph), the passive crossover must throw away all of that excess efficiency in the mid range, lowering it down to the level of the 20kHz point. What they are doing is throwing away over 10dB of the efficiency which they worked so hard to achieve in order to gain flat frequency response t0 20kHz. Now, for this type of speaker and its intended audience, this does not really matter since extreme efficiency is not really needed in a smaller room size like in a home or mastering studio. There is efficiency to spare. I do the exact same thing with my Altec Lansing (small format) compression drivers which have a similar frequency response shape, but with less high frequency drop off by virtue of the smaller diaphram, which has less mass. However, by virtue of the fact that I am using active crossovers, I am not actually loosing efficiency since the frequency response shaping I am doing in bringing down the large efficiency hump in the mid range is done electronically in the crossover, so there are no losses in a passive crossover.

In a professional sound reinforcement or motion picture setting, the components in this JBL speaker would likewise be operated with an active crossover and separate power amps for each driver so there would be no loss of efficiency. In a professional setting, I would also bet that this horn would be augmented by a very high frequency compression driver like the 2405, taking over at around 7kHz to counter the high frequency rolloff of the main compression driver."

I'm sorry for my interest in Ohm Walsh.

"JBL, like every other speaker company, has a distinctive "house sound" which I can only describe is a certain forwardness in the upper midrange from around 1kHz to maybe 7kHz, along with a very punchy but very well controlled bass. As I type this, I am sitting right in front of my JBL 4412 studio monitors which I use as overblown "computer speakers", and they have this exact sonic signature.

This type of sound works extremely well with most popular music, rock especially, giving it a very forward and alive quality especially at higher volumes. For classical music which I mostly listen to, this type of sound is the polar opposite of what someone would want as it makes things like massed violins in a symphony orchestra sound so forward and aggressive as to be unlistenable. In my Altec Lansing horns which have a similar sound in their natural state, I have labored for years in taming the normally aggressive quality of the horns so that they also sound good with classical music. I would still say though that there is a tradeoff where classical music might sound smoother on a traditional cone-and-dome speaker, but the Altec horns give a "jump factor" which cannot be duplicated by any other driver technology.

So I would guess that this speaker sounds like a JBL speaker normally would, since I cannot see JBL ever giving up their signature sound which everybody expects of the brand. That being the case, one would have to weigh the sound with the type of music (or film soundtrack) which would be making up the majority of listening."

"One tendency I have noted with speakers over the past decade or more is the presence of a tipped-up high end (this JBL speaker does not have it fortunately). I have found the recent Klipsch speakers are really aggressive in this respect. If you look at the frequency response graphs in test reports of consumer speakers, there is an alarming majority of them which clearly show a curve which is sometimes as much as 10dB "hot" in the high end in the vicinity of 10kHz. How this trend got started, I don't know, other than perhaps somewhere along the line consumers got used to more high end for home theater applications, and manufacturers furnished it to the point of a virtual high frequency "arms race". I get listening fatigue almost immediately when listening to these speakers, and alarmingly, some very high end speakers have this exact same trait of high end aggressiveness. Or maybe it is just that many people today are deaf in the high end..."

Yeah I'm using speakers I built. The cabinets came as MDF slabs, cut to size but didn't have any holes. Crossovers were from plans I found on the internet but I made small modifications. Same with the drivers, I ended up using different drivers because I wasn't satisfied with the initial result. Now I love them.

Sorry, that was meant for

>>How this trend got started, I don't know, other than perhaps somewhere along the line consumers got used to more high end for home theater applications, and manufacturers furnished it to the point of a virtual high frequency "arms race".
thats probably listeners going deaf in the upper range from listening to horns
they're not called horns for no reason