>Gnome 3+ Mines bitcoins or calculates proteins... Otherwise I can't describe 30% CPU load and 1 GiB of RAM in idle. Interface is shit. Apps are not sorted... At least it doen't tear on my machine. >KDE Simply a bloatware, but at least it doesn't mine bitcoins. (0% CPU, 450 MiB). Interface is OK, not that stable, but acceptable. Doesn't tear on my machine. >XFCE Not a bloatware (0% CPU, 300 MiB), good interface, but fucking tearing. Compton, compiz don't help... With KWin is is a bloatware automatically. >LXDE The same as XFCE, but slightly lighter >IceWM The lightest thing I've tried. (0%, 180 MiB), even didn't teared... But man, it is boring.
Is there any good DE, that doesn't tear on Intel, and are not bloatware?
I like XFCE personally, but anything is fine provided it's not fucking Unity.
James Flores
>180MiB idle ram usage with IceWM how?
Hunter Johnson
I have already. As you can see I don't like Mac OS Bloated distro simply.
Aiden Perry
What about cinnamon?
Elijah Wood
>But man, it is boring Do you need more?
Christian Brown
It's shit.
Jack Bennett
install FVWM
Jonathan Evans
No By the way, I want to fell for LFS meme, and there I guess all DEs will use less memory. Looks comfy
Bentley Nguyen
>Xfce embrace tearing or use forcefullcompositionpipeline with nvidia. I myself embrace the tear. Compiz is another option that works well but is kinda bloatware.
Jaxson Wright
I use kde, you can disable a lot if you don't need certain things. Obviously not everything can be disabled individually as kde share code to make things more efficient. Kwin is pretty good if you want to avoid screen tearing. Krunner uses more memory than some launchers, but I estimate about 1/50 the time other launchers. I personally don't use plasma widgets, I find that part buggy too. I have not personally experienced kwin crashing in a long time, but there was a lot of bugs around the switch to 5.0.
Justin Kelly
Budgie?
Julian Long
By the way, what exactly causes tearing?
Leo Bailey
nvidia tells people to implement it differently and xfce devs dont give a fuck from what i understand. They are right though, most other drivers handle vsync properly without forcing it globally, so you can forec vsync on fullscreen apps without any quirks. If you force vsync off in xfce you can enable it on opengl apps (and video players) and have vsync on media that needs it and not have it on desktop because its worthless there anyway.
Brody Lee
using a compositor that isn't vsync'd and doesn't unredirect things that would otherwise vsync i personally don't use a compositor (you don't need a compositor for accelerated programs like video players and games to vsync)
Gavin Roberts
and if you asked about what causes tearing generally, its that the gpu processes frames at its own rate, and the monitor displays them at its own rate, and you need vsync to synchronize frame time (and drop excess frames) between the gpu and monitor. It can be caused by incorrect timing between render/display or by having multiple frames rendered in time of one monitor refresh
Ethan Baker
>xfce devs dont give a fuck Yep. Latest XFCE was made I think in 2016. The problem is in the xfwm4, it is old and needs to be modified, because it works fine on older stuff (like Sandy Bridge). Okay. The problem is firefox (and chrome by the way) scroll in very trippy way... I'd not give a fuck about tearing if not this shit. Turning on v-sync in compozitor makes trippy effect go diagonal.
Henry Morris
turn off smooth scrolling, it helps. If you use intel igpu, adding Option "TearFree" "true" to xorg.conf may help, read the arch guide.
Matthew Turner
pic related, firefox without using a compositor (as you can tell from the lack of transparency on the autoscroll icon)
Samuel Jones
>turn off smooth scrolling, it helps. But videos are tearing as well. >adding Option "TearFree" "true" to xorg.conf may help Doesn't work on Haswell, but works fine on Sandy Bridge. You lost the pic
Luis Scott
forgot webm
i don't normally use ff, so this is a blank profile, i've only enabled two options, force acceleration, and enable autoscroll
Camden Wood
does using compton help? check multiple --backend and --vsync options. (compton doesnt do shit with nvidia but it may help with intel)
Tyler Gutierrez
recording screen wont work, since you record your gpu output and the tearing happens on the monitor user.
Evan Hughes
With Intel HD5000 it doesn't work. On Intel HD2500 - stock works fine. KWin works fine on both.
Robert Lewis
XFCE3
Joseph Sullivan
I need to know what is in OP's pic
Lucas Morgan
A Screenshot.
Lincoln Smith
>kwin works fine but compton does not debly goncerned, have you tried using mate with mutter? ubuntu mate offers this option, but you have to sudo apt get install mutter manually.
Justin Edwards
I think mate is okay, but man that load of shit instead of a consistent look you get when all the programs use different widget toolkits, gtk 3 4 5 qt 9 53.
Noah Nelson
No, I didn't tried mate.
Daniel Fisher
its a more featureful (or clusterfucked) DE, a little heavier than xfce and has some quirks but with ubuntu it offers a simple gui that allows you to use a compositor of choice (and is still much much lighter than kde/gnome3). New (gtk3 version) allows you to choose mutter as the compositor, so you get gnome-tier vsync but less wasted space and pc oriented layout and menus. I however get mouse click delay and it ruins it for me, but this may be an nvidia thing. Good luck user.
Xavier Robinson
Try TDE
Gabriel Carter
i3wm
Austin Rodriguez
I've just realised, that I wasn't using the newest version of xfwm. I was using 4.12.something, and new one (requires assembling) is 4.13. And they promise, that they've fixed tearing.
So, I guess, I have to install XFCE again (or xubuntu) on a flashdrive and test the shit.
Evan Garcia
Xfce and KDE are the only DEs worth using. Guh-nome is for literal brainlets and fags.
Hudson Martinez
what about openbox guys cmon
Lincoln Rivera
I agree. Gnome is for homes. They had excellent Gnome 2... And they made a fagOS from it
Carter Powell
Gnome 3 is shite that needs tons of single threaded extensions that slows it down and makes it crash more easy
Daniel Sanchez
Everything, but Gnome.
Brandon Diaz
>no panel
John Johnson
openbox + tint2 is a common combination
Dylan Mitchell
tint2 is a buggy mess that relies on .desktop files and can't handle right-click menus
Levi Ramirez
i don't use it's launcher, i have dmenu for that i just have it for a window list, tray, and clock
Christopher Russell
Ratpoison for tiling wm has all I ever want ootb, no need to configure shit, or MWM (or Motif Window Manager) if I ever feel nostalgic.
Jacob Howard
Install LXQt.
Jayden Watson
sway is the Next Big Thing. it's not perfect and probably won't ever be, but by being the first semi-popular wayland wm and actually developing a reusable backend (wl roots), they're really gonna get wayland going finally.
Samuel Martin
user what display drivers are you using? Make sure it is NOT the the Intel ones, they cause huge amounts of tearing. Try with modesetting.
Kayden Stewart
What should I disable on KDE to get my memory a little lower?
Hudson Rodriguez
Start by using a distro with a decent kde implementation like arch or opensuse
Zachary Gomez
oh look, another esoteric whiteist sodomite sympathizer
The fact that a Windows 98 clone DE even exists shows the state of modern Linux DE's.
They're shit, all of them.
Matthew Sanchez
sad real sad gnome3 is nice but too much ram (no it doesn't unload it, it starts to use swap instead, so it's wasted ram for the user) and nautilus moves(sorts) the file while loading a folder (which is very slow at too)
>The same as XFCE, but slightly lighter Lies, LXDE is barely a DE at all. Unlike Xfce it does not have it's own configuration directory and settings, it just provides tools to make setting different settings easier. And pcmanfm is in no way the same as thunar. in short LXDE is more of a WM than a DE like the rest
David Watson
>The problem is firefox (and chrome by the way) scroll in very trippy way... new firefox /since 57 i think/ does NOT tear - with or without smooth scroll, also compositors make smooth scroll crappy, try it in plain xorg wm like openbox or i3 without compton or anything and see how gorgeous it really is >maybe relevant mesa 17.3.3-1 xf86-video-ati 1:7.10.0-1 and fireofx from ftp.mozilla.org
Isaac Cooper
>is barely a DE at all. It also uses barely any RAM at all. I like XFCE but Lubuntu is way easier on garbage machines than Xubuntu
Colton Edwards
>tint2 is a buggy mess no it isn't it's stable as fuck your distro package a shit
Evan Hill
XFCE
/thread
Logan Bell
BACK TO POL NAZI FUCK
Jack Wood
> KDE (0% CPU, 450 MiB) = OMG BLOATWARE > XFCE (0% CPU, 300 MiB) = OMG WHAT A LIGHTWEIGHT DE GAIZ
it doesn't work that way, you faggot. Just admit that KDE despite still being buggy AF went long way from being a bloatware. I remember XFCE using that amount of RAM OOB some years ago. When they will fix their shit (or the nVidia jewish devs will stop being jews) KDE will be glorious. > inb4 hurr durr KDE shill I'm using i3, pic related
>nvidia tells people to implement it differently Standards exist, and that bunch of jews are trying to say that """""they are the standard""""" because of the market dominance. Fuck nVidia in the ass with a 2m tall saguaro cactus so fucking much. Torvalds was right.
I switched my haswell laptop to use the iGPU all the time and nVidia for the gaymz only. It doesn't deserve to do any better task. Using a tweaked compton and enjoying it.
Speaking of compton: anyone outside of me using it, here? I configured it really fucking well, shit's smooth af, no screen tearing, but there's only one problem: sometimes while any terminal (or emacs/gvim/etc.) window refreshes it starts jittering. Like, all the text in it trembles. Anybody else ever encountered this problem?
Owen Collins
>KDE >Simply a bloatware It's not. KDE = BEST DE BY FAR.
Connor Murphy
Use xmonad, all these other ones are bad because they have bars and buttons and stuff taking up space on your screen. Xmonad also lets you go fullscreen while still being windowed very nice.
Chase Baker
pekwm + ROX
Christian Rivera
>compositors make smooth scroll crappy, try it in plain xorg wm like openbox or i3 without compton or anything this
Oliver Phillips
Xmonad devs hate Wayland so it's not future proof.
Hunter Gonzalez
why do they hate it? I mean, wayland is """""sponsored""""" by RedHat so it'll go to shit pretty much soon, but what's their reason?
Owen Butler
They hated the way it's programmed, so they wouldn't ever port it themselves.
Xmonad still be fine for long but now there is backup plan.
Brandon Baker
I3 , break your mouse addiction faggots
Justin Gray
>Mines bitcoins or calculates proteins... Otherwise I can't describe 30% CPU load and 1 GiB of RAM in idle. Interface is shit. Apps are not sorted... At least it doen't tear on my machine. don't know what distro you're using, but default gnome on antergos is 0% cpu and like 400mb ram.
Jordan Robinson
KDE is currently the best if your PC can handle it
Nicholas Powell
dynamic tiling > manual tiling
Thomas Thompson
Lol. I just use m8 and this work.
Nolan Robinson
Its oke if you get rid of window bars and bottom bar. Break your gui addiction. Also this.
Connor Hughes
Daily reminder XFCE doesn't tear if you literally set one option.
Ryder Murphy
I3 brainlets watch BBT. What a surprise.
Zachary Butler
Nvidia GPUs tear when they are in power saving mode. That's about it. Never had tearing problems with intel
Juan Harris
I seriously thought that was Windows CE.
Aaron Howard
share your configs, very nice setup you got
Christopher Watson
It's pretty much all in the terminal output.
Jose Morris
KDE
Leo Fisher
use compton --backend=glx --vsync=drm for tearfree xfce
Brayden Powell
i3wm
Angel Fisher
>rox >amiga styling Disgusting. Should be like superior RISC OS.
Owen Peterson
>two close buttons
Charles Richardson
Bloated as hell, and I'm still pissed that the move to V5 made me have to reinstall Arch after it broke everything. Despite all that though, I agree - KDE. I was never able to get as close to a Windows look and feel with anything else, and I don't have time to fuck with config files for days to get a tiling manager working on its own.
