If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO i5 7500/7600K or i7 7700/K. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE >G4560/G4600 - non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >R3 1200 - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) >R5 1600 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use
RAM: >Prices are unlikely to return to sane levels for several months; be prepared to either reduce capacity or spend more than you wanted to >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >Consider Vega 56 for a Freesync monitor >Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) (but everything is fucked, really) 1080p >MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050Ti, 140USD; 1060 3GB, $200; 1060 6GB, $230; RX 570 4GB, $170; RX 580 4GB, $200 >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>tfw get a 120GB SSD because "I really only want my OS and programs fast" >after all is said and done I have about 90-95GB free >don't want to use the rest for general wear leveling fuck
Leo Nelson
This is an AMD board now. Intel shill are not welcome
Jordan Bailey
Thanks for the confirmation. Enjoy circlejerking your shitty amd cpus
James Lewis
Why would should I pick the 8400 over a 1600? We simply want to provide the best options. Remember how it was always Intel before ryzen? When Intel manage to pull up their socks they'll be considered again
Austin White
Hmm idk
Dominic Gonzalez
I am starting to run into problems with my fx8350 where it just doesn't have the horsepower to run all my containers and vm's smoothly. I'm looking for a build with 2 GPUs for vpio passthrough, 32gb ram, and 16 cores. What is there out for me. I'm looking to spend about 3-4k
Dylan Stewart
At those levels is 90fps noticeable to 110? Do you take into account stutter?
Logan Robinson
m-muh s-s-stuttering!!
so much amd buyers remorse
Robert Wright
Typical amd shill response >ganes don't count >you only need x amount of fps more is pointless >muh stutter >this game doesnt count >those settings dont count >people dont really play on 144hz monitors >but they perform the same in 4k at 30 fps >you only nees intel if you buy a 1080ti
Juan Howard
where is the i5 8600k at ?
Mason Howard
Anyone here use a home built server? Looking to add pic related. Seems like a cheap and easy way to add 8 more drives. Pcie SATA cards are stupidly expensive for anything more than 4 ports in comparison.
Josiah Collins
Muh stutter! Oh nvm lmao
Chase Watson
A lot of benches dont have it because intel only send 8700k and 8400 samples to reviewers
Tyler Thomas
I'm trying to build an incredibly low TDP server(100w or below) without breaking the bank, probably a budget around $200 I don't need a powerful graphics card it can even be on-board as long as it can handle being a seedbox/Plex server for 1080p streaming what are some good recs?
Cooper Miller
That card should work. If you're using anything other than Windows, simply tell it to not do anything with the drives.
Nathan Martin
Wanna get a m2 ssd to put the OS on with my new build
Should I be aiming for 250gb? I think I plan to keep games and media on separate storage drives drives, but will 250gb be big enough for a few years worth of programs and the clutter you tend to pick up over the years?
My locale has Samsung 960 EVO Series 250GB NVMe M.2 SSD in stock but another $40 would get me a 500gb WD Blue
Wyatt Smith
>amd buyers remorse user I'm not the one with the folder of benchmarks shitting up a thread about your purchase having a 20FPS advantage
William Sanders
>20 isnt a big deal Hahahahahahahahahaha
Kayden Sanchez
I use Windows on my server for remote desktop simplicity and driver compatibility. I use software RAID anyway. I've been burnt on hardware raid more than once. Just seemed odd to see a dual SAS card for so cheap.
Elijah Brooks
>GAMES ARE EVERYTHING! Typical Intel child Average frame rate means nothing btw. I'm also not going to say minimums matter more. There' should be a benchmark measurement of frame drops over 10 FPS over a set period of time, to test smoothness and stutter. Anyways, so long as the minimums are always above 60 FPS, until a new benchmark measurement is invented, That's perfectly fine.
Besides. I prefer having good performance AND security.
Michael Morales
so ive been clueless about monitors for about 6 years now. i got a free 1600x900 LCD display 6 years ago and have not looked at anything display related. built new rig recently, an AMD rig, and am now looking to upgrade my monitor. specifically a 1080p/60hz+ monitor with radeon freesync. mostly just want the freesync and 1080p/60hz; higher than 60hz would be nice but i really dont care
Robert Sanders
It's only a big deal when you're talking the difference between playable and unplayable.
way cheaper than i thought. i was thinking around $150 budget. is that a good brand of monitor? thanks for the recommendation
Justin Morales
See
Kevin Hill
>GAMES ARE EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Daniel Rivera
meant $180; thats what i get for using the numpad
Ryder Peterson
Viewsonic has a decent reputation. Other monitor makes I'd suggest are AOC, Asus, Dell, Samsung, Lenovo and MSI. You need to be careful with Freesync monitors and do your research. There are good implementations of it and bad implementations. Freesync 2 hopes to tighten the regulations for Freesync implementation though.
Evan Reed
>ONLY CINEBENCH AND SYNTHETICS MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!! >NONE OF US PLAY GAMES WE ARE ALL VIDEO EDITORS!!!!!!!!!!!
Carter Perez
>that pic >Medium settings >poorly optimized Nice cherry picking >Typical amd shill response >>ganes don't count They don't. If anything it can break some games >>you only need x amount of fps more is pointless This is true. Do you really think you can see 800fps on cs:go >>muh stutter What? You enjoy sucking Intel cock so much you'll ignore it? >>this game doesnt count Pubg really shouldn't and any reviewer will tell you why >>those settings dont count Settings that no one even plays at? Yes. Benchmarks should be based on practical situations >>people dont really play on 144hz monitors Enthusiasts play on 144hz. Anyone asking for advice here wouldn't be an enthusiasts. >>but they perform the same in 4k at 30 fps That's not an argument anyone makes >>you only nees intel if you buy a 1080ti You only need Intel if you like flushing your money down the toilet.
You have no power here Intel cuck
Nolan Walker
damn you intel/amd people are mad
Justin James
>144hz 1080p in 2018 is for enthusiasts OH NO NO NO NO >NONE OF THESE GAMES AND SETTINGS MATTER *inhales* GABHAHAHAHAHAH
Jace Kelly
The sweet sweet sound of air leaving your body
Carter Garcia
>where is the i5 8600k at ? > >A lot of benches dont have it because intel only send 8700k and 8400 samples to reviewers
Intel's trying to hiding something.... Having to put down +$2000 all together to play at those settings is certainly enthusiast
Colton Diaz
>damn you intel/amd people are mad Shoooo... Nvidiot
Dylan Price
>its a conspiracy I bet you love adoredtv too >2grand for 1080p 144hz gaming the monitors cost like 200 dollars, a 1060 and an 8400 is not 2grand
Ayden Lewis
...
Eli Carter
Does having a board that doesn't do SLI a big issue?
I've never used or needed 2 GPUs before and I don't think I can afford 2 lel
Jacob Bennett
...
Brayden Gomez
I just ordered a 8400 (mostly based on being newer, good reviews, and being the same price as the 1600), now I'm concerned because so many of you seem so against it.
Have I really shot myself in the foot that badly?
Kevin Johnson
no you're fine. people here are just autists
Aaron Kelly
>I bet you love adoredtv too I do actually. He's got a really sexy voice. If I had the chance I'd let him face fuck me as he whispered sweet nothings into my ears grand for 1080p 144hz gaming >the monitors cost like 200 dollars, a 1060 and an 8400 is not 2grand Your jumping for bare minimums. Dont you wanna play at ultra with full textures?
Austin Morris
>I bet you love adoredtv too Oh, you know Cassandra?
Hunter Gray
Nice quads. You made the right choice
Charles Miller
Anyone have some suggestions? No preference over amd/intel
Noah Martin
Id tell you to checm op but the shills only put amd cpus on it.
Easton Hughes
It's not a bad cpu user, I just wouldn't buy it because I lost trust in the security of their chips
Andrew Wright
How come?
Brandon Lewis
Nope. SLI is pretty much a meme anyways. You don't need it at all and barely anyone uses it
Samuel Foster
>moving the goal post >i need mssax4 in muh games >but games dont count >and 200 dollar monitors are too expensive >but i need ultra settings >144hz is for enthusiasts >dont you play your competative shooters on ultra? >but that's too expensive Wtf are you even saying dude
Gavin Powell
A single word can say it all. Meltdown.
Aaron Nguyen
have you not heard of the meltdown and spectre shit? intel has a hardware level flaw in all of their chips that had to be patched by windows and linux programmers. it had a 5%-30% performance impact, but not for stuff like gaming.
Ayden Jenkins
You did good super satan
Hunter Roberts
Fixed via software weeks ago with less than marginal performance changes. Amd has spector also
Carter Brown
I'm the guy that's shilling amd >pic related Don't worry you made the right choice. Its the best value for your money and you'll get many years of use out of it
Landon Roberts
It's an ok chip. The 1600 is just better value. A lot of games still aren't optimized for Ryzen's architecture. There's a lot more horsepower under the 1600's hood that we haven't seen yet.
Carson Thompson
>Wtf are you even saying dude I'm saying you should eat a dick I'm not moving goalposts. Make a 144hz PC build in part picker now and I'll show you why you won't achieve what you've claimed in under +$2000.
Christopher Moore
I hadn't heard that, I don't really stay up to date when I'm not building a new PC (every 3-4 years).
Do you mean like games using multiple cores?
Anthony Sullivan
You're an idiot who hasn't done research if you think a software patch is all there is to meltdown. That software patch is a fucking bandaid. Said software patch Intel says people shouldn't be using right now anyways. Meltdown cannot be permanently fixed on Intel CPUs because the problem is baked into the architecture of all Intel CPUs dating back to fucking 1995 with the Pentium MMX. The only way to properly fix Meltdown would be to remanufacturer every single CPU with architecture changes. The software patch doesn't fix anything. It covers it up And Meltdown is a known thing right now. When there's a known vulnerability, the hackers are going to go directly after that patch because that will tell them how to exploit it.
AMD is unaffected by Meltdown due to the differences in how the architecture works.
>But AMD has Spectre. And Spectre can be fixed properly via a software patch and is nowhere near as big a security breach as Meltdown. See the image here:
Julian Bailey
What if you're building a new computer that doesn't have a cd drive? how do you install the motherboard driver cd's and other stuff?
Jonathan Gomez
>Do you mean like games using multiple cores? no. I mean games making use of multiple threads. A lot of games don't even acknowledge that AMD's chips have 2 threads per core, because they're programmed for Intel's hyper-threading, not AMD's simultaneous multi-threading. Similar tech but they work differently enough the software in games has trouble utilizing it. ANd the games that CAN utilize all those threads are usually games where AMD beats out Intel.
Sebastian Cook
is meltdown on the 8th gen cpus?
Kayden Gray
>they're programmed for Intel's hyper-threading Is this situation likely to be reversed in the near future?
Easton Rodriguez
>5 rupies have been deposited to your account It was fixed in sofrware educate yourself pleb.
Carter Rogers
Yes but software has fixed it so you dont have to worry about it
David Lee
Use a USB penor drive disquette
Jonathan Young
You download drivers off the motherboard website and put them on a USB drive
Aiden Baker
No, its been like this for amd for a decade. Ive made the mistake myself and it never gets better
Logan Harris
a software bandaid does not fix the problem you retard
Blake Richardson
see its on practically all of their cpus
Daniel Carter
Yes. AMD is working with game developers to realease patches for games that work better with Ryzen's unique architecture. Rise of the Tomb Raider is a famous example that got a Ryzen patch that spelled bad news for Intel.
Unfortunately, PUBG is so unoptimized, even on Intel systems I don't ever see the game ever becoming a legitimate benchmark.
Alexander Kelly
It makes you safe from the exploit, so yes it does solve the meltdown bug.
Zachary Torres
Not that user but consider these: 1. ryzens had performance bug with nvidia drivers ( driver bug, fixed ) 2. every new architecture has its specifics that can be optimized for 3. and ofc now 6+ threads are a must for future-proof gaming pcs now. For example, vulkan and dx12 scales better. You can see the trend by comparing low core count cpus with 6 or more core processors on older and newer games. Turns out, newer games scale better and this trends seems to continue. You are mostly right, but meltdown is a "younger" vulnerability, starting with nehalem afaik. Spectre is the one which started with pentium 1, but not with mmx. It was pentium pro, the p6 arch.
Mason Howard
Intel users have no defense after the minix shit came out, but they're still on here trying to shit on AMD.
Big brother is in your assholes up to his balls. Please just stop. >b-but my performance Stop.
Anthony Rivera
Just a friendly reminder that getting a refurbished office PC with a 3rd or 4th gen i5 and 8-16gbs of ram is the absolute best deal poorfags can get right now.
All you gotta do is throw in a low profile 1050ti.
Kevin Ramirez
it doesn't make you safe you retard. The problem with Meltdown is the way Intels chip architecture goes about its branch prediction. This is a HARDWARE issue. The software patch is just covering it up, not fixing it. because you can't fix that.
Owen Diaz
Amd literally has a microprocessor for remote access just like intel does
Angel Jenkins
Citation needed.
Easton Brown
Is gigabyte any good these days?
looking at GIGABYTE Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming and getting a i5 8600k
possibly going to OC tooo
Matthew Jenkins
I'm using an old monitor, just while I build my computer rather than lug the computer from room to room, but I can't find the power supply for it. I found two random power supplies that I think are from old laptops and they both fit the ac port (one has a typical three prong that you get on a PC and the other is the two prong meme like with the old Playstation). If I use this will they work or will they turn my monitor and everything else into nerve gas? Both are 240v so it should be safe, right? R-right?
Eli Gonzalez
>i5 I'll get the lube. You're gonna need it.
Benjamin Murphy
This, but avoid Dell machines. Also, now even the 1050 Ti is getting expensive IMO.
Brandon Thomas
also what can you guys tell me about asus strix and rog??
Benjamin Young
Try it. It will work or your mom's house will burn down.
Jaxon White
why avoid dells? It's the most often recommended one. I hear more people say to avoid HP than anything else.
Gabriel Young
Not him, but PSP is the tech you are looking for.
Daniel Hall
Its a hidden arm processor running TrustZone
Jaxon Peterson
I've heard that it's sometimes needed to get to a stable 60fps for 4k gaming, but that's about all its useful for. Is there any truth to that?
Aaron Harris
Friend has several ones. All of them have nonstandard fan connectors, nonstandard USB pinout, nonstamdard mobo form factors. Some boards are even mirrored. Oh, and his mobos cannot even adjust fan speed. His is fixed at 1200rpm or what. He needed to change his cooler to Cooler Master 212 EVO to not get over 75°C cpu temps but that cooler didn't fit in his case so... All in all, these have lots of quirks you don't want to deal with, even if they are high quality.
Chase Sanchez
>Is there any truth to that? Maybe for Saints Row 2... outside of that, who knows.
Oliver Young
Everyone has their own opinions about mobos. Asus ans giga are probably the most prefered for high end
Jaxson Butler
Actually I think I might go with the MSI Z370 PC PRO as it's less 'gayming'
Gabriel Bell
the business class Dells aren't like that. Look at an Optiplex sometime. They used standard mATX motherboards. The only things non-standard are the i/o connectors.
