>Debian (netinst. only use if not using systemd scares you.) debian .org/CD/netinst/ debian .org/releases/ wiki.debian .org/SourcesList wiki.debian .org/ReduceDebian debian .org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-apt-get
>fidget spinners yeah our thread's better. We already have Gentoo on there Cool! ^.^
Owen Phillips
Reposting WM ram comparison
Hudson Jenkins
God damn it why does gentoo take so god damn long to install I want to use it but I have no fucking time. I love the optimization you can get out of it but on my shitty African internet it takes way too much time I'm on my third day.
Hunter Russell
Dude, it's a source-based distribution. Those tend to take a while.
Elijah Phillips
Reposting Minimalism Rant
The thing for me when it come to this is that I'm kinda disgusted by the amount of bloat in popular applications and environments.
Let's take the picture viewer as an example. What does it do? That's right! It views pictures! We have also seen picture viewers that can run with very tiny amounts of ram, and do their job pretty well. Why then should we be using a picture viewer that does the exact same practical thing as this minimal picture viewer, but is 10+ times heavier?
I've heard this a lot, the whole "lel just get a newer computer grandpa!" I'd like to let you know that I use minimal setups both on a 2012 Fagbook Pro, and a Xeon workstation being used as a desktop. Both of these have 16+ GB of memory. What you have to understand is that just because we have the resources, doesn't mean it's right to use them to the limit. Why should we artificially use more resources for the same tasks just because we have the capability to do it. That's retarded. At that point we should just rewrite the kernel in electron because clearly anyone who has a problem with that just needs to download more wam.
Another key component for me is that achieving a high level of minimalism often involves switching to a vey terminal-heavy lifestyle. This is good as it provides a universal interface. The interface used to shitpost, consume content, and whatnot, is the same interface that would be used when administering a server, when configuring my NAS, when working with Amazon EC2 installations, etc.
Why do you hate keeping things simple? Why do you want things to use more resources than they have to to complete their function?
TL;DR: /minimalism/ is a very logical way of doing things, and provides a universal interface.
Jace Morgan
>CRUX >Slackware Finally.
Samuel Taylor
yeah non-faggy OP wasn't gonna do it so I did it.
Nolan Campbell
So far, the consensus seems to be that termite is the best wayland term. Anyone have other suggestions/recommendations?
Ayden Powell
Didnt wayland depend on systemd?
Isaiah Martin
No, that's FUD.
Jackson Brooks
Weston, the implementation of Wayland, depends on libsystemd.
Xavier Torres
But not KDE or Sway.
Elijah Gray
Termite is one of the best Xorg terminal emulators too. I highly recommend it. On wayland I don't really know. I have to wait for good nvidia drivers first.
Does someone has a statusbar recommendation? I'm using i3status and I heard someones prefer polybar. How it is?
Isaac Sanchez
Polybar I hear has a lot more configuration stuff you can do with it. It's also good if you end up using something like bspwm, which doesn't come with a bar. Poly is also I think the lightest one that still has a systray. The most /minimal/ bar I think is called lemonbar. That one requires expert shell scripting knowledge though (it literally just prints whatever you pipe into it), and doesn't come with a tray.
Jaxson Hernandez
I'll give it a go on Xorg. Might as well get used to it since i'll be using Sway in future.
Andrew Price
>That eye Is that botnet-chan? ouo
Ayden Turner
I dunno but shes cute! also what wm do u use?
Jaxon Johnson
Reminder if you're not using suckless you're not using true minimalism
Noah Bennett
this is their idea of an irc client
Lincoln Hill
dwm n-no bully pls
Brandon Brooks
Its ok! I use it too. UwU
Jordan Jackson
That looks like a super comfy programming interface desu~oniifam.
Parker Perez
kys dumb animetards
Dylan Turner
Be nice to her
Jayden Mitchell
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU ANIME IS GAY
Justin Howard
>her im not a girl!
Camden Bennett
Are there any good minimalist display servers? Is tinyx a good alternative to regular xorg?
Matthew Flores
Wayland.
Christian Miller
How minimalist is wayland? I've gone through the suckless mailing list and they don't really like it much.
Justin Jackson
...
Leo Nguyen
S-sorry...
Noah Thomas
It's pretty damn minimalist. I think suckless doesn't like it because if you want to have a lot of features, they have to be implemented by the compositor devs, rather than being a part of Wayland itself. In other words, part of the work load has shifted from the protocol devs to the people developing the DEs/WMs. It's a different system altogether from X. its ok.
Connor Phillips
I hope suckless can port dwm to wayland or make a new compositor themselves
Connor Sanders
Only if you're OK with one monitor and no GPU accelerated anything. Xorg is actually pretty lean for everything it does.
Wayland is for assholes who want a fridge with an app store.
Leo Mitchell
Yes, because IoT fridges will totally have tiling window managers... You do realize Wayland is a protocol right?
Henry Johnson
I finally got Gentoo installed and running smoothly with KDE, got most of the software I want installed, but I have yet to move all my stuff over from my backups. Something deep in the back of my mind still feels like if I sneeze too hard I will break everything catastrophically. I don't feel confident this is a distro I can maintain with my sanity intact, but it works so smooth and fast. I worked so hard for this, user, please convince me not to switch back.
Bentley Bell
Wayland is a project run by assholes who plan to make money selling IoT devices.
Jackson Phillips
Wayland is a protocol you baka
Isaac Johnson
this
Julian Lewis
>We have also seen picture viewers that can run with very tiny amounts of ram, and do their job pretty well. Why then should we be using a picture viewer that does the exact same practical thing as this minimal picture viewer, but is 10+ times heavier? I always get extremely suspicious if some program still has the same functionality as other programs but consumes way more ram. Do useless libraries, shiny gui's really would make an application 10 times heavier? The high cpu and ram usage is most likely used to spy on the user and steal his personal data.
Levi Wilson
I don't wanna discourage you, but I'm using it as my main os for a month and compile errors are more common than I thought. Some packages are kinda old. Pandoc, for example, is still on 1.19.2.1 when 2.0.0.1 is the last one; it's last update was more than an year ago. Java 9 (and Oracle Java in general) is pretty much unsupported. You can install it but you better not use it as your default version. I'm running with 2 versions of Java to avoid problems (and two versions of GCC too, because 7.x is considered unstable).
At the moment, I have compile errors when I try to rebuild GCC or update Rust. It's a great distro so far and I have no intention to switch to something else, but I agree it's not for everyone.
Adrian White
Calm down Howard. Nobody wants your bleachy smelling "vital essence".
Ayden Jones
Speaking of minimal how do I minimize this goddamn HDD activity, I hear constant noise due to I/O by kworker and jbd2, this is going to kill my fucking drive how do I stop it the googles they do nothing
Jaxon Wilson
Either you're right and they're spying on us, or it's because they're using javascript and other (((webapp))) technologies in their GUIs. Either way, stay /minimal/!
Jaxson Nguyen
Just stop creating these cancerous threads already.
Justin Miller
is PS/2 more minimal?
Bentley Rivera
N-No!
Blake Flores
The B in USB is for Bloat
Samuel Brooks
>13 replies >51 posts yeah fuck this gay shit im done. My general got hijacked and the op is fucked up. i don't give a shit anymore.
Evan Powell
>My general got hijacked and the op is fucked up Leave faggy op alone! I kinda use these generals just because op is a funny boy.
Julian Russell
FUCK YOU BITCH. FUCK YOU. FUCK HIM EVERYONR GO HERE
Julian Hughes
What makes it bloat though? Serious question by the way. Not just memeing. aww don't be sad, daddy! thank you.
Dominic Reyes
I AGREE
Aiden Hernandez
Go here
Ryder Young
>What makes it bloat though? Serious question by the way. Not just memeing. Polling vs. interrupts. USB needs more CPU time to achieve the same latency, and USB HID is staggeringly complex even if you only support the simplest keyboard / mouse setup possible.
Easton Perez
When did people start using my beach thinkpad picture?
Brody Foster
minimal picture viewers cant show the next image in a folder without manually opening it in a new window. the more bloated ones let you scroll with a mouse or press arrow keys on keyboard.
Levi Carter
you can configure it so that the latest available version from git is used instead of old versions in the gentoo repo.
Eli Perry
It's not worth it. If it is on the gentoo repo you're kinda supposed to use that version, it's their fault if it's not updated. I'd use overlays only if it's really necessary.
Ethan Hernandez
i want to fug that loli
Parker Sullivan
Does anyone know how to 'rice' GNUscreen or tmux? They are both pretty ugly ans I was wondering if there is any significant reason to use one over the other.
Andrew Campbell
Is LXDE (Lubuntu) minimalist?
Dominic Wood
GNU Screen yes, Ctrl-a + ? is the cheatsheet, for a manual get info screen. My .screenrc is # don't display copyright page startup_message off
# turn off tab-completion flash in heading bar vbell off
# enable 256 color term on X term screen-256color
# prevents less, vi, etc. from clobbering the screen contents and leaving their gunk behind after exiting altscreen on
# keep 1000 scrollback lines defscrollback 1000 Currently learning about binding keys to autostart stuff. GNU Screen is pretty neato, there is a modified version that can run sixels I've got my eyes on.
Landon Roberts
Almost but not yet, is like a first step but you need to go deeper.
Benjamin Miller
The new version is called LXQt. It has low ram usage but to be honest I'd suggest you to be "less minimal" and go with XFCE instead.
Lucas Bell
ok thanks. I was probably going to go for PS/2 anyway, but I wanted to see how that applied to minimalism. Literally just sxiv folder/* OwO
Adam Perez
Like the other user said, it's close. I'd recommend it to a newbie who's not ready to fall for the window manager meme.
Josiah Campbell
also, I'd recommend learning how to not use a display manager, and just launch your GUI from the TTY using startx.
David Gomez
just wanted to let you know I appreciate your version of the minimalism general
William Myers
I am running arch linux but video overheats the pc. On another drive I have linux mint that survives the same videos. What can I do to keep the cpu cooler on a bare arch?
Dominic Cruz
Go fucking here. This op doesn't add arch
Austin Wilson
Faggy op is best op
Gabriel Collins
Thanks. Even though Arch as a distribution is not minimal enough for the OP, i'll still be a kind user and link you to an article on fan speed settings. I dunno if that's your issue (i've never had issues with my fans), but maybe it will help. wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fan_speed_control
>You,re the cats. idk what this means but you're welcome! ^_^
Mason Price
Means you're the bees's knees, user.
Chase Gonzalez
I too support this version of the OP. Wish it had more cute slavs though.
Hunter Howard
>I too support this version of the OP. Does anyone have an idea of when Devuan will get their shit together and be on the same release as Debian? If that happens, I may replace Debian at some point.
Robert Perez
>on my shitty african internet gentoo is the friendliest OS when it comes to data consumption, thanks to its revolutionary Emerge Package Distribution Manager. What seems to be the problem?
Kayden Gomez
maybe he's getting the download and compile times confused?
Nathan Mitchell
>3D I see the problem now, user... that's one too many dimensions for a minimalism thread eye-catcher! Also arch is in the sticky! what?? >MY general (emphasis mine) lol, nice trips though I do this on my home computer but when I SSH into it all the windows get hidden because a new X session is launched. Of course there's a good and easy solution for that: if [[ !(-v SSH_TTY) ]]; then startx fi
what distro would satorin use?
Angel Hernandez
Waiting for that too. To be fair it works just fine now.
Sebastian Evans
>I do this on my home computer but when I SSH into it all the windows get hidden because a new X session is launched. wait, so are you saying your running X session dies when you ssh into your machine? How does that happen?
Jackson Thompson
Might include it with links explaining how to switch to a newer branch.
Gavin Morales
The X session does not die. If I quit the ssh session the windows that were hidden come back, and the programs initialized by my window manager's startup script come back with varying degrees of success. A new X session is launched which takes precedence over the one that was already running, that's all. Anyways, that isn't a problem now because I added the above snippet to my .bash_profile. Just giving some tips in advance.
Adrian Reyes
oh wait, is this all because you have it set to run startx automatically after a TTY login?
Nathaniel Ortiz
Yes. Is there a better way to do this?
Tyler Williams
nah, it sounds like you got it. I personally didn't think to set that kinda thing up and literally just type startx after login.
>Literally just sxiv folder/* do that from a gui file manager
Isaac Lopez
is there a big difference between startx and xinit?
Noah Parker
you can configure custom commands there too.
Julian Perez
that still will not load all images in a directory automatically if i click just one image
Wyatt Martin
so how do you install slackware onto a PC laptop that you've already wiped? I can't fit the 6 cds onto my 16gb flash drive and I don't know what to do with the torrent files. I just want an ISO so I can use Rufus to boot it as my new primary OS.
Landon Clark
236 MiB RAM usage on boot without a browser running
