looking to get a cheap, but good/decent panel 4K tv. I'm upgrading from a $199 1080p sony TV from best buy from 3 years ago.
Poorfag 4K TV? Can it be done? I just want a decent panel that doesn't make fortnite look like complete ass.
I have a great set of monitor speakers, and an Xbox One X (thank you mummy and daddykins) so if an HDR model was available i would be willing to pay up for the investment.
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Vizio 2017 E series is pretty good for gaming due to its BFI(blur reduction). Probably the cheapest too.
wow, blur reduction is a fucking huge deal. I gotta do more research on this shit, this is like when buying a blu ray player first came out.
I got a $500 4k tv at costco recently, surprised by the image quality, even has wifi and built in netflix and shit
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is there anything without the smartshit cancer that spies on you like it's literally 1984?
tcl 605p is literally the best you can get for the price right now
full back array, local dimming, 6500:1 contrast ratio native, hdr10 and dolby hdr
there is some weirdness in how it displays shit, you don't see it in video but a comic page, and some games you will, it's nothing that is deal breaking though.
do note, dolby hdr demands 4000cd/m2 brightness for what it's mastered to, the p605 replacement will bet to around 1500~cd/m2 but no tv really does dolby hdr well besides oled, but thats because its unique in how it displays shit at the moment.
You don't need a TV that can hit 4000 nits to have a great HDR experience. Tone mapping exists. You're dead wrong about OLEDs being the way to go for the best HDR experience too. Their low peak brightness means you have a choice between completely blown out highlights or the entire picture being dimmed and the impact lost.
LG's 6 and 7 series OLEDs choose the latter in their gayme mode, and the result looks like shit. You get all the highlight detail, but it's so dull and dim that there's no fucking point. People have been bitching about it for months, but LG refuse to fix it. Other manufacturers choose to retain brightness and clip detail instead. Either way you're getting a shitty deal.
The Sony Z9D/ZD9 is by far the best TV on the market for HDR specifically right now. It's expensive as shit and has motion smearing/trailing issues though.
This but you have to get the 60-inch and above models. The 55-inch models are a mixed bag of inventory, literally. Some come with IPS displays, some don't. Some have 6 local dimming zones, some have 12, etc.
Don't connect the tv to the internet. Use other components for streaming, etc. Problem solved.
Don't, it turns out you need 8K video for 4K TVs due to chroma sub sampling. Just stick with your 1080p and play 4k video on it (ie true 1080p video).
yt vid should explain this a little better:
And where would you get "true" 1080p vidoe you fucking retard?
apparently from 4k videos.
Wow what a genius. So you'll download a bigger encode and then throw away half the data? GENIUS!
having a tcl p605, no, shit needs to be brighter, dolby hdr is way the fuck to dark, a common issue with hdr now. hdr10 while it is dark, isn't too dark to be useless.
oleds have the advantage of when that one part of the screen sparkles it fucking pops even if it's just 1 pixel, and because it has an infinite contrast ratio it handles hdr the best of everything currently available.
and dolby is mastered to 4000, meaning they expect you to have 4000 to get the best... well 4000 and a 12 bit panel, but one step at a time.
as for whats wroth it?
that sony, rtings pretty much says its only worth it if its under 2400$
an lg LG C7 is 2600 and rated over the sony in near if not every category.
but really fucking nothing aside from the p605 and likely its successor
right now we have problems on multiple fronts.
1) hdr content is gated to blu rays and netflix originals,
2) tvs don't push out the brightness necessary to properly display dolby hdr
3) the local dimming, while good, doesnt have enough spots to be jaw dropping
4) panels are currently higher quality than the input can deliver
5) hdmi 2.1 will solve a few issues with input not delivering
right now, you want at most a hold over tv unless you can piss money away,
tcl p605 is a statement piece, it punches well above its price point, invalidating pretty much anything under 1700$
4k you daft cunt
This could have all been avoided if we had all switched to 4:4:4 chroma sub sampling when h264 was introduced but consumers and producers kept crying "muh file size" so shitty 4:2:0 was used to make everyone stfu.
What?
You're retarded. You wouldn't even be able to tell the difference in a blind test of the color images.
just bought 4k 43 inch LG monitor and it's pure sex
I got a 43" SHARP Aquos "4K" for about $250 as a floor demo model from Walmart. I think the model was being replaced but it was cheap.. look for demo models at Walmart/best Buy etc.
Yes and no... there are going to be certain things you can look for that will show you what you are looking at, like we have on the pc for finding out if we are displaying 4:4:4 but generally humans are shit with colors outside of green, but we do notice contrast like nothing else, it's what the shade is FAR more important to capture then the color itself.
Sorry I spend my time looking at actual videos instead of test patterns.
YES. You. Would.
chroma sub sampling can only hide so much but you will always notice it there when comparing it to 4K downscaled to 1080p.
Have you? Watch 4K video on a 1080p monitor and tell me it looks the same as 1080p video.
Thanks user. Makes sense.
What happens to the HDR data if you use a 1080p monitor?
What's a good 1080p 144hz monitor Sup Forums
All hdr is 10-bit video with reduced color banding at low bitrates. It still gets put in the 4:2:0 meat grinder.
Is the Sony XBR55X900E 55-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV listing on Amazon a good TV for $1200?
>so, no
ok.
So if you hook up a 4k Blu-ray player or Xbox X to a 1080p monitor, you should really get "true" 1080p. Will the HDMIs even be compatible?
Pretty much, yes. downscaling is done on the player/xbone and then resultant video is encoded to uncompressed 4:4:4 1080p video
you do realize almost nothing supports 4k right? 90% of xbox games don't even support it. They just upscale the shit and claim it's 4k but it's really just 1080p.
hdr has a few things weird about it, I dont fully understand it, but youtube.com
apparently video is shot with a very low contrast ratio, something like 72 or something equally fucking low, hdr is shot with contrast ratios of 4000-17000 (I believe dolby is 17000:1 or there around) so you get far more real contrast, which is why you need to be able to push brightness on a display, that way you can have the deep dark areas along with the very bright ones too.
oleds do this best, even if they aren't at that master brightness level because they have self illuminating pixels, panasonic I believe recently patented or showed off a filter layer for ips displays that would allow pixel perfect local dimming, so bringing oled's advantages to normal displays, this will be a game changer as it will allow manufactures to put the fuck off bright leds behind a screen, evenly light it, and rely on the filter layer to block everything allowing ips to finally get good contrast ratios.
well, first, if you had a 10 bit display, technically you could have the color data, or at least increased color data, like I said, dolby masters at 12 bit. but because 1080p dont push the brightness, everything would be dark as all fuck, nothing is really stopping the capturing of contrast or display, but older tvs dont have the contrast ratio or the brightness to really push it, I mean most tvs in the low to midrange are pushing 6000+ contrast ratios, where the top end from 1080p tvs were pushing 3000~