discussion of language, linguistics, language learning and conlangs polandball edition previous thread > native language > what languages have you learned > how/why did you learn them > what languages do you wish to learn > what method of language learning do you recommend to other anons > which language has the simplest and most complex grammar > are there any ethnic enclaves that speak different languages where you live > have you ever tried to make a conlang
> native language english > what languages have you learned spanish, some french, some vietnamese > how/why did you learn them talking to friends and at school > what languages do you wish to learn german, mandarin > what method of language learning do you recommend to other anons teach yourself books edited by leonard cutts german (in google drive resources) > are there any ethnic enclaves that speak different languages where you live live in california > have you ever tried to make a conlang started a few days ago
Angel Myers
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Eli Jackson
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Jack Hall
>tfw live in NYC so I can always find someone to practice even the most obscure of languages with
Kevin Gonzalez
are the ethnic communities friendly
Henry Kelly
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Colton Perry
Anyone know where i can find german communities in southern California
Ethan Clark
It really depends. People in the Chinatowns are always friendly toward me since I study Chinese and I usually speak in Chinese to them.
Only went to Little Poland once so I'm not sure about them.
Brighton Beach (Russians and Uzbeks) seems all right. They have good food, the environment seems a little rough around the edges though.
Little Italy is a tourist attraction nowadays, from what my native NYer friends tell me.
>Brighton Beach (Russians and Uzbeks) What about Kazakhs?
Joshua Scott
I don't think there are any specifically Kazakh restaurants here. You might find some Kazakhs living in Brighton Beach.
Brody Morales
wrong person
Colton Stewart
Arabic honestly. I simply can't justify the time put in with how little I would get out of it. It's one thing to master Modern Standard to a point where I could read comfortably, a language that can compete with Russian and Asian languages in terms of difficulty, but it's another to attempt to classical arabic works I'd be interested in. And then there's dialects for everything else.
I'm dumb so I'll probably attempt it eventually, but I'm not looking forward to how crushing it will be.
Liam Barnes
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Jack Gomez
>native language Hungarian. I hate it, it's useless. >what languages have you learned English, some German >how/why did you learn them German was forced on me in school. I have already forgotten most of it. English? I don't know. I just needed it in order to be able to play videogames and watch American movies without subtitles. It wasn't a conscious choice to learn it. >what languages do you wish to learn I really don't know. I think this is it for me. Being only bilingual. There's just something in each language or country I loathe and can't stand. Stupid grammatical genders, nonsensical writing systems (japanese, chinese), or it just plain sounds bad. Sometimes I like the language, but the country itself repulses me a great deal, because it's a third world shithole or a totalitarian regime, or the people are simply revolting, so why would I ever wanna go there. >what method of language learning do you recommend to other anons Watching movies/reading/playing videogames in the selected language. It shouldn't feel like learning. It should feel like fun, otherwise you'll never progress. >which language has the simplest and most complex grammar Pass. >are there any ethnic enclaves that speak different languages where you live Nope, my country is pretty white. >have you ever tried to make a conlang nope.
Anthony Bell
is it true that knowing hungarian makes it easier to learn finnish
Tyler Murphy
I am only fluent in Dutch and know some conversational Afrikaans and Norwegian, a bit of English. Hindi, Arab and Chinese would be most useful. But not that interesting.
I'd like to better my French, by a lot (already enrolled in local Alliance Française), learn Russian(using the 1000 most used Russian words website currently, learned the alphabet)and then Ukrainian (more pleasant to my ears) or just Serbo-Croatian, and Spanish plus Italian to top it off. And improve German, I cannot get der/die/das/dem-ein/eine/einer/einen/einem right to save my life.
Oh and also learn to speak Papiamentu and Sranang Tongo. Already understand Papiamentu quite a bit and know some basic Sranang words and phrases. These are easymode when it comes to verbs and articles. It would also mean I understand 90% of Crioulo, added bonus.
Jacob Rodriguez
>a bit of English. >proceeds to write in fluent English Dutch People.jpg
Caleb Campbell
Tbqh Finnish is as far from us as any other language. A native Hungarian speaker wouldn't have it any easier than someone from the U.S. trying to learn it.Yes, we both use agglutination and certain elements are the same, but when you are only a mono-lingual, you cannot see and utilize these things. Simply knowing another language besides your own would help the most in learning any new language, I think.
When I only knew Hungarian I couldn't even begin to imagine how another language might work, but when I became sufficiently fluent in English I finally began to see patterns and structures within languages. When I was aware of those patterns, I could apply them to other languages in order to learn them faster.
When you know the "logic" behind an indo-european language, you realize all of them are the same, you only have to learn new words. Hence I tend to view Indo-Europeans with a heavy disdain when they rave about how they learned a whole new language - usually it'll be their closest language relative with like 70-80% similar vocabulary. Yes, I realize I'm bitter, but I'm tired of that shit.
Mason Gonzalez
How long does it take to become literate in asian languages (chinese, jap)? I mean written words only, I have no interest in these countries and their media, but it'd a cool skill to know some moon runes
Caleb Ward
1 year minimum (if you study for several hours for day)
typically 4 years if you study for maybe an hour per day
Moved frequently as a child, also by watching movies.
> what languages do you wish to learn
I want to finish learning Spanish fluently, also interested in Mandarin
> what method of language learning do you recommend to others
Watch movies with subs, and after getting slightly acquainted begin forming simple sentences, the most effective for me was actually speaking to and hanging out with the natives
> which language has the simplest and most complex grammar
English was simple for me, I found Tamil to be the hardest
> are there any ethnic enclaves that speak different languages where you live
Yes
> have you ever tried to make a conlang
No
Dominic Anderson
> native language Italian > what languages have you learned English (movies, the Internet), Spanish (too easy), French (pretty easy, only the pronunciation aspect took effort), Portuguese (lmfao, free language), German (first time I actually had to study a language), Russian (my wife is Russian). > how/why did you learn them Because I wanted to be a real life 007. > what languages do you wish to learn Madarin and Arabic, I'm studying Mandarin. > what method of language learning do you recommend to other anons Go to Memrise, search "5000 words French/Spanish/Portuguese/German/10000 words Russian/HSK Chinese", learn them all, read Wikipedia, complete the Duolingo trees (should be very easy), watch movies. > which language has the simplest and most complex grammar English has the simplest grammar, Russian has the most complex grammar. > are there any ethnic enclaves that speak different languages where you live Russian with wife. Italian because I live in Italy. English, German, French and Spanish at work. Fuck Portuguese. > have you ever tried to make a conlang I am not autistic.
Tyler Johnson
Maybe he isn't able to pronounce it.
Jordan Ramirez
>Fuck Portuguese. And the -ão makes another victim!
Caleb Barnes
Can't use it at all.
Christopher Garcia
Just use some hackish itañol and most people will understand you.
Luke Richardson
i grew up speaking spanish how long will it take me to learn italian
Dylan Cooper
You don't understand, I literally don't know a single person who speaks Portuguese.
Evan Cox
Duolingo tree + Memrise most common words. That's all it took for me to learn Spanish.
Henry Parker
I got it, I was only mentioning it's completely useless even if you do need to speak with native speakers.
Chase Nelson
> I am not autistic. > I wanted to be a real life 007.
Owen Jenkins
>2016 >not knowing multiple languages >not wearing custom suits >not smoking >not working internationally >not driving great cars Enjoy your life m8.
I am able to old a decent conversation, but I had to look up the correct spelling of oddysey for example, or had to look up specific musical terms, I imagine the Englishspeaking world would know semibreve and minim. There are more. So I would not call myself fluent.
I can assure you that most people wouldn't know semibreve or minim
Cameron Collins
I believe that the UK (and perhaps the commonwealth) use semibreve or minim. At least americans use a sane system
Alexander Anderson
>memrise >duolingo >anki Aren't you people tired of using this meme shit? Here's how to rote memorize without wasting your time earning daily points and other skinner box crap >write "word - translation" by hand >do it 100 times more >congratulations, you now remember that word forever
Tyler Miller
I think the average English native speaker doesn't even know what you're talking about (maybe the Odyssey, but not the musical jargon), let alone how to spell it. The only thing that denounces you ain't a native speaker is the lack of a dash in "English-speaking". Then for all purposes you're fluent, I guess?
Camden Cox
oh right, it does say its British.
I was in music for 8 years and only ever called it a whole note
Logan Bell
wrong--only real way to learn a language is to get a lover who fluently speaks it
Isaiah Jackson
Arabic does seem challenging, but you shouldn't let that stop you. I believe you can learn it!
Jordan Phillips
>tfw no language qt
Asher Hall
Did not even know it was a British thing.
Perhaps I am fluent then. I did pass oral college exams in English. French too but I used it too little, can only really read it now.
Mason Cook
My personal grading of language levels Proficient: can read without using a dictionary Advanced: can watch movies without using subtitles Fluent: can hold a lenghty casual conversation
Tyler Wilson
>> native language Chechen >> what languages have you learned German and Russian >> how/why did you learn them Going to school/living in Germany >> what languages do you wish to learn Russian, Arabic >> what method of language learning do you recommend to other anons Not school >> which language has the simplest and most complex grammar English >> are there any ethnic enclaves that speak different languages where you live Many Turks, many Albanians, many Arabs and many Kurds >> have you ever tried to make a conlang No
David Diaz
Where my samideanos at?
Kie estas la samideanoj?
Jeremiah Scott
> native language English > what languages have you learned Italian > how/why did you learn them Internet+real people/Talking to friends > what languages do you wish to learn Italian > what method of language learning do you recommend to other anons Do the damn thing > which language has the simplest and most complex grammar Idk they're kinda similar but English for me > are there any ethnic enclaves that speak different languages where you live Yeah > have you ever tried to make a conlang No but I tried to make an omelette
Hudson Wright
--Catalan embassy--
Now with German flag.
Dominic Morales
Californian here, I know that feel as well
Oliver Ortiz
mnemonics, loic method, all that shit idk. i read about it all the time and about how good it is but it's always too awkward and abstract. like having to fucking memorize like a house full of rooms where the things you learned are stored and ordered. who the fuck even does that
>have chicana wife who speaks no spanish >why live
Daniel Ramirez
be halep
Jose Brown
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Brandon Lopez
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Adam Peterson
mi kada
ĉi tio mushai
Adrian Sanders
> mi kada po yam ta liftrimak > ĉi tio mushai po mot ta imushi
David Lewis
Anyone here use italki? I started using it after langfocus started shilling it, it seems pretty good so far.
Owen Walker
yeah it's pretty nice, worth it if you need conversation practice. it was better to me than just talking to random people for free because it put less pressure on my autism due to it being more 'professional'/school-like of a situation
my favorite app is HiNative
po...po...mi ne komprenas, amiko
Leo Diaz
po - topic marker yam - i ta - object marker liftri - canada (land of lif) -mak - person/citizen of mot - this
language has flexible wordorder so words can be arranged in many different ways these sentences are arranged in a simplified nipponese sentence structure > 私は日本人です po yam ta niptrimak be zajin
Asher Johnson
Who /tokipona/ here?
jan seme li /tokipona/ lon ni?
Josiah Kelly
Can anyone recomend me a good book to learning korean from 0?
^ this is actually pretty decent. Best resource for you is going to be Talk To Me in Korean, though.
Jackson Johnson
Mi lernas esperanto, kaj mi čakas (but as you can see, I don't have an appropriate keyboard)
Brayden James
Do you know some good music in russian ? Some rock if that exists...
Jace Myers
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James Williams
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Cooper Jackson
Idk about rock, but I like Arkona. It's pagan folk metal I think
Dylan Stewart
I think that only Germanic languages + Finnish are pleasant to hear.
Justin Turner
> native language Vietnamese > what languages have you learned English, some French > what languages do you wish to learn a Austroasiatic or a Uralic language
Joshua Lopez
Ever think of learning malay or indonesian
Cameron Bennett
>native language English >What languages have you learned? I can speak a fair amount of French and can understand enough to read a Wikipedia article (I can read a book if I have a dictionary). I also speak some Latin (I can read Caesar and Ovid with a dictionary on hand) and a bit of Esperanto and Yiddish >how/why I learned French by taking four years in middle and high school and learned Latin by taking four years in high school. I learned some Esperanto and the bit of Yiddish by myself, and I've been reading in French and Latin so I don't lose them. >what languages do I wish to learn? Maybe Spanish and Russian, after I finish Esperanto and Yiddish. >Which methods of learning do I recommend? For French, I'd recommend learning the basic phrases first, beginning to learn pronunciation, then later beginning to read about the grammatical/syntactic conventions and their applications. However, I wouldn't get too hung up on them, seeing as they often come naturally with reading and listening to French. I listen to French songs and read stories in French. For Latin, I'd recommend Ecce Romani. It's more practical and not as nebulous as Wheelock, though Wheelock goes into much more detail about grammar and small features. Ecce Romani is probably available on the Internet somewhere. After getting through part of the second book, try reading Ritchie's Fabulae Graecae. Read more about grammar and you can eventually work your way up to Caesar, Vergil, and the others. For Esperanto, I'm using lernu.net right now. For Yiddish, I use yiddish.biz. Esperanto isn't that hard grammar-wise, and Yiddish is similar in grammar to English. With Yiddish, it's fun to learn about the culture as well. >ethnic enclaves where I live I live in a pretty diverse area (near DC), so I've heard Spanish, Russian, French, Portuguese, Farsi, Polish, and a lot of Korean, Chinese, and Japanese just growing up and making my way around. >ever tried to make a conlang Not a full conlang, no.
Colton Reed
Nope actually, i learn language for fun, and Malay or Indonesians don't seem to be very fun.
Xavier Perez
Does being an interpreter or translator pay well? Already bilingual but looking to learn Mandarin and maybe Arabic.
Grayson Smith
Mi uzas "cx" aux "ux" aux "sx" anstataux la letroj markitaj.
Jaxon Lewis
There very easy and their afroasiatic languages i think
Charles Brooks
>they're
Adrian Rogers
Afroasiatic languages are spoken mostly in North Africa, the Sahel, the Horn of Africa, and the Middle East. Malay and Indonesian are Austronesian languages.
Connor Ortiz
native >English wish to learn/learning >Arabic, maybe some Asian languages and European likely Germanic or Slavic
Alexander Foster
i want to talk to cute white girls in hangul
Joshua Price
Rephrasing >native english >learned some spanish, learning arabic school and online site, high school cred and I wanted to >what I want to learn variety of euro lang >methods not really any off the dome >ethnic enclaves texas >conlang haven't
Wyatt Perry
it's not bad, but there's no career advancement, so you can never really start earning "more"....
not good as a "career" only a job
Jaxon Hernandez
How many words do you learn per day/week or month when you're studying a new language?
Mason Lewis
Could anybody recommend me a good textbook for learning Finnish?
Wyatt Mitchell
I used to buy weed off of one. She was hot
Aaron Reed
>german communities in southern California I heard of Old World Village in Huntington Beach for their Oktoberfests. No idea if the people there actually speak German.
Juan Allen
Upon closer inspection, it seems like that place is mostly a shopping center, rather than an actual community.
Ethan Long
op has a vid on finnish try looking through the google drive
Joshua Campbell
> native language English > what languages have you learned French, Serbian > how/why did you learn them French is mandatory in Canadian school up to grade 9, and my parents immigrated from Yugoslavia so I was taught the language > what languages do you wish to learn Russian > what method of language learning do you recommend to other anons Duolingo, honestly > which language has the simplest and most complex grammar I think one of my teachers in middle school who lived in Taiwan said Mandarin has no real order for how to say things in a sentence, dunno about complex grammar though > are there any ethnic enclaves that speak different languages where you live There's a lot of fucking shitskin immigrants and rapefugees in my city so yeah > have you ever tried to make a conlang I was never that good with language, I'm better at math and science
Cameron Rodriguez
I'm from the Philippines, however English is my first language. How long would it take me to get fluent in Norwegian? What about Swedish? taking into consideration that I probably won't be able to talk to any natives
