Wrong Timing by AMD

>releases """budget""" APU at the height of ridiculous RAM pricing.

>Vega in chip doesn't have HBM so it has to rely on your fucking RAM speed.

what the fuck AMD was thinking

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>releases budget APU at the height of ridiculous VIDEO CARD pricing
And no period on a greentext

how much is naked 2Ghz 8Gb stick these days? because you would never buy more for this CPU
last time I checked it was pretty cheap

it's pretty much GT1030 levels of performance, which is pretty solid for APU, and miles ahead of Intel's offerings at the moment

isn't it creeping up to 1050?

as much as i'd like it to that's pretty unrealistic

It's about $78 right now for 2400MHz. 2666 is $85 and 3000 is $88.
For 16GB it's $160 for 2400 and $165 for 3000

huh, it got worse, I got 16Gb of 3200 last spring for ~$110

Deliver me from this hell
Only DDR5 can save us

it shows it on the 3rd party benchmarks but yeah it's unlikely

wait until youtubers do their benchmarks

If it was anywhere near the 1050 the RX 550 would serve less than no point as a product because they could just make APUs.

the 550 is slightly better than the 1060 though

>550 is slightly better than the 1060 though
what kind of a fairyland do you live in?

>3600 is not fast enough
it's an APU nigga

Oh no I am retarded, I meant to the say 580. I wish AMD had a better numbering scheme.

AMD doesn't even have the worst naming scheme out of all the major companies for desktop components

Intel has a bunch of inconsistent fucking numbers and then gold and platinum for the Pentiums for whatever reason
NVIDIA has some numbers but uses the same ones for noticably different cards and "Ti" can mean basic improvement or complete overhaul
Don't get me started on PSUs, those are a mess
Memory is usually named after a series and the rest of the shit you have to dig through to get
You're lucky to just know the fan size on a CPU cooler
Motherboards and video cards share the same arbitrary series branding that doesn't tell you at all what models are higher or lower performance

A great product I hope they hit a sweetspot and get some good success. Bonus is the CPU itself is very powerful, throw in a Vega when the price comes down and have a nice system.

The gap between 1050 and 1030 is very large. More than 50%. Even if you overclock the APU it's not going to compete with a 75W desktop GPU.

I will just wait for the Super Core i7 Zerker VS Saurian Turbo Sun version.

Same factories would make both. And lower power/mobile DDR4 would take priority

DDR5 launch price would be more expensive. wait it out til it becomes mainstream say +2 years after launch.

they wish they could make ONLY APUs
They would make much more money, like way way more
APU class of 1070/56 when? I want such future.

>APU class of 1070/56 when?
I'm sorry user but that will take quite a few years and then whatever shit on the x070 level they release will be miles ahead.

But don't give up the dream, maybe we will get a 10ghz threadripper that costs only 160 dollars and comes with a vega 64 apu. Just wait for it ™

>what the fuck AMD was thinking
making you mad intelcuck

its more powerful than the rx 550 and less powerful than the rx 560

They could just stick a RX Vega M next to a Ryzen 2700 and just about fiddle the thing in under 95W. It would spread outside the socket and novelty coolers would be required.
Then they could add the Vega M into a Threadripper package and somehow repurpose some leftover Infinity Fabric lines for displayport data.

I wish CPU vendors would go back to simple linear schemes and value/midrange/professional families instead of being so fucking all over the place.

It amuses me to no end how both AMD and Intel have bloated the shit out of their model lineups in an age where the difference between immediate speed grades is meaningless anymore.

GeForce 5xxx to 9xxx was the worst. GT, GS, GSO, GX2, GTX

>and somehow repurpose some leftover Infinity Fabric lines
if they could do that they would release MCM GPU this year instead of vega 1.5

I think some leaked benches put the 2200G at around 3900 3dmarks and the 2400G at around 5000 3dmarks.

But since theres no reports on the conditions of those tests, maybe some driver and memory optimisation could put that score up to 5200 marks maybe?

Have to admit, at least the APUs being the "A" series made them distinct from the FX

nikem-bg.net/magazin.php?search=RAM
>prices are 1/2 for euro
which of those for zen?
how inflated are the prices?

What is even the point of having Vega in these?
>still not enough for gaming/any serious 3d work
>for normal use there's no point in having more powerful integrated graphics

>What is even the point of having Vega in these?
gee i dunno maybe SO I DON'T HAVE TO BUY OVERPRICED GPU ?

what do you want them to do?
let them sit in the warehouse?

buy apu.
mine monero.
it pays for itself.

NO NIGGER IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THESE APUS FOR A YEAR TO UPGRADE MY SYSTEM DONT FUCKING TELL MINERS ABOUT IT

In that case you didn't need to wait for these, you could have bought any Intel CPU released in the past 6 years.

>Wrong Timing
It is the moment in time when gpus are the most expensive in history of gpus.
2200g is like 1300x+rx550 for $100

>companies should just stop releasing any products until RAM prices go down

Actually, can you use dgpu for graphics output and igpu for number crunching like physics or video encoding at the same time?

these will be amazing for my programmer rig and if i ever need muh gayms later on i can use a dedicated gpu for steam and the integrated gpu for my OS

yay 4 lynuks :D

you could but id do the opposite instead

igpu for webbrowsing and dgpu for mining like a boss

I didn't even know about it until I saw this thread.

The 2200g seems amazing really, a new and relatively powerful PC for around 250 is feasible. I'd get one if I wasn't saving for my motorbike.

DDR5 is planned as 2020+ in mainstream.

Is there any laptops lined up with the R5-2400G with good RAM?

...

Sure, if you buy this RAM kit

anandtech.com/show/12398/gskill-releases-16gb-ddr4-4700-trident-z

>gold and platinum for the Pentiums for whatever reason
That naming scheme made it into the Xeon line too. It's fucking cancer.

mm nice reference

Still running phenom x4 and 6770.

Would that apu thing be good upgrade?

Only really play bf4 but would also like to play some newer games at medium 1080p settings.

Good iGPU with good drivers is merely a nice addition to the insane value of CPU part.
2200G for $99 is basically unbeatable value.

At least Intel bothered to make a decode ring to understand what the fuck "XEON BLING-BLING 6134" means.

Why the fuck AMD of all companies managed to shit out the most decent naming scheme?
Even EPYC makes sense (3/5/7 for 1/2/4 dies, the next two digits are SKU differentiators, the last one is generation (7601 - top bin, first gen EPYC)).

that's only the Intel CPU + AMD GPU package, with the stupid names.

Nothing, the APU ones suck ass big time. Just buy either an Intel + Nvidia combo.

According to this:
videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-and-ryzen-3-2200g-apus-performance-unveiled
and this:
youtube.com/watch?v=VNBQk-o4wgw

It's double the performance at 1080p. So, it is worth getting. That's assuming the apu was ran at low. If it was ran at high, then it completely smokes your 6770.

>intel iGPU
yeah, if you want to do spreadsheets and word processing.

>video accelleration
sorry, 10-bit 4K HEVC and others are only available in babylake+.

>light gaming
yes, you can do that in the intel approved 720p low setting mode!

A big part of why these new Vega APUs and small GPUs are so good compared to Polaris is that they have way more ROPs.
Bristol Ridge Godvari had 8ROPs. Vega 8 and Vega 11 have 16.
Vega M GH has 32 ROPs compared to the 16 of the RX560, double despite having just 50% more shader units.

AMD cards have been heavily compute heavy and raster limited up until lower range Vega. Vega64 is so disappointing because it has 1 ROP per CU. 64 ROPs for its 64 CUs.
A Vega 32-36 with 42-54 ROPs will be a monster of a mainstream value card.

Seems that it'll overclocked better than Nvidia's gimped overclocking. Though you need faster RAM to match. Also it's quite a bit faster than the 1030, while the 2700U is the one that's a bit below it.

Um no. The 1050 is about 90% faster than a 1030. There's a huge difference.

However, if you overclock the 2400G to say 1600Mhz with 3600MHz of RAM, you should be looking at performance similar to the 7870 which is still a good gaming GPU today, on a lot less power. Somewhere between the 1030 and 1050.
Vega 11 is 704 shaders @ 1250MHz so 1.760TFLPs. At 1600MHz you're looking at 2.252TFLOPs.

But all this means is that it's very good for an APU.
If you expect it to perform like a 1060 or RX580, you'll be disappointed.
It should do 1080p in most games on medium to high settings at 30-60FPS. Older titles like Skyrim and CSGO at 60fps+ or even 100+. Some games you might have to turn down closer to low.

If AMD can solve the expensive memory/cache problem to have something like making a bit of "L4 Cache" on die, 1050Ti perf from a ~$200 APU could become the norm, too.

But it is enough for gaming.
Even a G4620 on an iGPU was enough to play GTAV alright, and these are much much better than that.

2200G has less CUs. 8 vs the 11 of the 2400G.

Forgot Chinese leak.
3DMark is a tad compute biased, though.

Nope. Only 2700U and they all have soldered RAM and are running it at 15W instead of 25W TDP so it gets throttled hard in gaming.

That's my hope, too, though. I'd like to see some 2400G laptops but they can't be as thin due to the IHS and socket and shit compared to the thin mobile CPU.
Dunno why AMD doesn't see the market for an ultrathin 2400G 45-65W TDP laptop. A 2400G isn't much higher TDP than a 8550U+MX150 while being faster.

>sorry, 10-bit 4K HEVC and others are only available in babylake+.
Whut

>Only DDR5 can save us

That has just been specified it is 2 years away from desktops. Ryzen 2 might support it.

Huh, it'd be pretty neat to get the gaming performance of my old PC (that packed a R9 270 which was just a ((rebrand)) 7850-7870) on an APU.

It'd be too tempting to build a HTPC with one. Assuming RAM was reasonable. Unless i upgrade my current desktop and jam my old ram into there.

My only other question is... will mother board manufactures ever release those motherboards based around the A300 or X300 chipsets which as farms i know designed for small form factor.

meme branding kek

Yeah, the 2400G should be close to a 265 when overclocked. Still a good deal less than the 270. Or a 750Ti, maybe a bit better.
Won't know for sure until the 12th how well it overclocks, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it well above a GTX 1030 and closer to around the 750Ti or R7 265.

And the expensive fast RAM isn't a huge problem since DDR 3000 isn't *that* much more expensive than 2400, and you'll still have it for a future CPU/GPU upgrade that

You're so much better off getting 2x8GB of DDR 3000 RAM and a 2400G than 2x4GB of 2133, a pentium, and a GTX 1030/1050. The former offers a much better upgrade path and value even initially.

No Epyc is 1 die. They all have 128 PCIe lanes which means all 4 dies are active. That's the whole point of them.

You forget a pair of DDR4 3200Mhz RAM

Real benchmark fucking when?

Don't listen to brainlets this thing is overkill for 1080p honestly.
It's also one 1/5th the energy required of a shilltel.

Yes. This would be a good upgrade. Significant GPU upgrade and huge CPU upgrade.

The day the embargo lifts? duh

You have to buy that ram in both combinations so your not making any sense.

2200g has 512 shaders and will work on a higher frequency than rx550. The difference will be small in favor of rx550 because of dedicated ddr5 ram and a few output units.
Difference in price is enormous especially in Europe.

>at the height of ridiculous RAM pricing
>implying it's going to go down

>Intel iGPU
>playing games

Anyone like Gigabyte or Zotac offering the mobile chipsets in their NUC-clones yet?

why? the thermal profile is unnecessary in that formfactor. Though it'd be neat to have an external DVD drive sized PC substitute that's not retarded.

Yeah but why not just get the 2400G? It's such good value.
38% more CUs and SMT.

2200G makes more sense to get with slower RAM since you'll be bandwidth starved trying to overclock the 2400G on slow RAM anyway, but still. The 2400G may be $70 more, but it's worth it compared to a $110 1030 or RX550.

2400Mhz RAM is much cheaper than 3200Mhz in my country, especially when you want to pick 2x8GB route.

When are they going to base gpu ram on ddr4 instead of ddr3?

>faster mhz is more expensive
no shit

ok so try buying x2 4GB sticks of DDR2 1066

APUs are meant for OEM systems and laptop. AMD is just trying to level the playing field in the mainstream market.

Not everything revolves around silly gayming.

It's gonna be interesting what you can do with fast ram and good cooling.

I would if Ryzen accepts DDR2 RAM.

At this point I just sort price High-Low and scroll down till I get to what I'm willing to pay, then check reviews. Works well with motherboards, GPUs, CPUs. Not as well with RAM and PSUs

interesting to see what you can do**

They are ideal for secondary systems to hook up to a TV for video playback and light gaming or emulation.

That's retarded. You'd maybe barely feed 3 CUs and 4 ROPs.

DDR2 is hella underpowered and has a quarter of the clock frequency of DDR4. Besides newer AMD microcode and chipsets wouldn’t support it.

also new DDR2 DIMMs are actually really expensive for most capacities because of low volume

>APU

APUs make the profit to sell more high end stuff.
grandma is gonna be rocking a quad core soon

>threadripper 2 APU with the two unused dies replaced by Navi

>Threadripper
>With an APU

Most people don't need powerful GPUs.

Lucky I didn't buy a quad core.

There's nothing wrong with APUs. I'm excited about as well. But the kinds of people to buy Threadripper are the kinds of people to also by the Titan V. If you're dropping down that much cash, you can easily afford to throw in a GT 1030.

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