Macbook Objective Criticism

I bought a mid 2015 i7 15'' macbook off a coworker for like 500 usd so he could buy the new one. So I have been using it for a month at my programmer job and... I don't see the problem?

I can code fine on it, nothing breaks, bootcamp is great. The high resolution is great too. Keyboard is a bit lacking, but that is literally the only complaint I have. It barely gets hot, but then again the most intensive task I have done on this laptop is watch videos. Did you guys lie to me? I don't see anything wrong with it. It just works.

This is from a guy who ran xubuntu linux through all 4 years of college and now use windows on a desktop for my career.

I had have a t420, an xps 13, a t530, and a t440p. I honestly still prefer my t440p, but I could still work on this machine with barely any issues.


Why do you guys hate it? Is it because it is normie bait or because it is overpriced(which I can understand).

>inb4 gay pics
I honestly want an objective view on why it is bad.

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That thinkpad should be an x1 carbon

X1s are now a fire hazard because gookmoot's relatives can't into tightening fasteners:

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it's not hard to fix that user. there's a webm roaming around and it's honestly a 5 minute fix.

god imagine being an engineer and meticulously designing a laptop to somehow fit all this hardware and ports it needs only to burst into flames because manufacturing grease monkeys can't fasten screws.

IRL there aren't many problems and most users don't need more features than a Macbook has. (Professionals doing audio are pissed off but there aren't enough to influence the market. Latency is an issue for some of them, like my bro but those are niche cases.)

Remember all Sup Forums is Sup Forums. If you wanted a serious discussion you'd use a moderated forum with plenty of techies, but you are here.

meh I don't like thinbooks. tt is the reason I like the xps the least in the list.

I'd have no problem personally but I enjoy working on notebooks. Normies can't use screwdrivers. I hope this becomes a scandal so I can score an X1 cheap.

shit keyboard
oversized trackpad
no nipple
fewer ports
not sturdy
too expensive

>shit keyboard
I agree. I hate the chicklet meme.
>oversized trackpad
I thought it was alright. Better than having a small one. The gestures work better on it than windows 10 machines for some reason.
>no nipple
meh small nuscience. I learned to do gestures and don't really use the nipple anymore.
>fewer ports
I know that is the problem with new ones, but my 2015 had plenty of usb ports.
>not sturdy
Sturdy enough. I don't plan on going into battle with it user.
>too expensive
Agreed. I got mine second hand though

>Sturdy enough. I don't plan on going into battle with it user.
Shit happens.
Someone trips over a cable and it flies to the ground, co-worker spills coffee on it, etc.

From a premium device I expect more.

What are you even talking about? You try to make this sound like we're already in the middle of a conversation but you made the thread. Why didn't you just reply to the user you saw criticizing your computer?

Apple makes computers that have soldered parts so you have to buy the computers factory upgraded. We all know from iPhones how much Apple likes to charge for storage and so on. You don't get to choose the parts based on manufacturers that you trust the most, it's decided for you. Charger cables are also worst on Apple, it's like winning the lottery if yours doesn't scorch itself at some point. They also have a hardware link to Apple so you could install OS if you don't have one. That means it's connected to Apple by design. People who use Linux plus GNU usually have a preference of not being tied to a profit making company, see Ubuntu and Amazon "scandal".

> cable and it flies to the ground
Well actually the charging cable is magnetic so that would be rare. Otherwise though, it is still an electronic device. There should be some care into it.
>Ubuntu and Amazon "scandal".
Except Ubuntu was still popular despite this. That is some massive fallacy there user.

>Apple makes computers that have soldered parts so you have to buy the computers factory upgraded.
Every company is doing that these days though. All cpus are soldered on and RAM is as well for these newer laptops. Storage is something I agree on, but I never had an issue with the default.

>Charger cables are also worst on Apple, it's like winning the lottery if yours doesn't scorch itself at some point.
I thought that was a vocal minority rather than a majority?

I often have it hooked up to more than the power brick. E.g. projector, ethernet, ...

ah well, I am pretty sure that it can survive a slight fall like that. I did drop it at the office near chest height, but that was like once and there was no issue.

No, they can very easily be damaged with a fall like that.

sorta skeptical about it, but fine. I guess a disadvantage is that it is a bit fragile and more care needs to be put into it.

Not a huge disadvantage honestly. Its a computer and meant to be on a desk at resting position.

I hate ignorant fucks. And a lot ignorant fucks like Apple. My complaints about the Macbook itself would be:
>shit keyboard
>few ports
>inadequately priced

It's a laptop. It's meant to be portable.

>laptop
>on a desk
>lap
>top
If it was supposed to be on a desk, they would call it a desktop.

My biggest problem is the durability (not the "feel"; I like it) of the newer butterfly switch keyboards. I find MacOS comfy.

Anyone in here who has been using one of the newer Macbooks for 1 year +, with any anecdotal info regarding the reliability of the keyboard? I don't need a lecture about key-travel or excessive clickiness. I like it.

portable as in carry it from one place to another without ease. Not using it wherever you want. Still siturational.
You really shouldn't do that user.

Pre memebar Macbooks are still the best ultrabook form factor style laptops on the market, period.
Don't forget a large part of /g is underage and/or NEET, who are spiteful of expensive good hardware they cannot afford.

The reason you don't see a problem is because you bought it used. Anyone that's not running a business and buys a new laptop, especially one over $500, is stupid to be honest. The only way that anyone could be dumber than that is by buying a used hp or acer consumer shitbook for the same price you can get a used laptop marketed towards professionals.

>defending glued on piece of trash parts
and this is coming from a former macfag

>use windows on a desktop for my career

why do brainlets think their opinion matters?

buying into walled ecosystems and paying through the nose for overpriced hw is fucking up the market for EVERYONE

plus apple is a tax evading shit company, helping them is Doing The Wrong Thing /thread

>Pre memebar Macbooks are still the best ultrabook form factor style laptops on the market, period.
Linus Torvalds would disagree with that. If I'm listening to someone else instead of making my own research, I'd choose Torvalds over you.
>Don't forget a large part of /g is underage and/or NEET, who are spiteful of expensive good hardware they cannot afford.
Any source for this other than your wet dreams? Do you also assume while at it that every person who doesn't currently own a Macbook is just too poor to buy one?

this fucking guy again, reporting in

what size dragon dildo do you use?

? Most businesses uses windows on their machines and thus created an ecosystem where alot or proprietary software was built for windows only. It is not my choice, but it works fine.
>fucking up the market for EVERYONE
market is already fucked. Alot of business software is basically windows only.
> apple is a tax evading shit company
Alot of companies are. So does windows.

FFS people. I am not saying it is the best. I actually like my Thinkpad t440p better. I am just saying it is a decent machine, not a pos that this board likes to smash it for some reason.

>alot

We on the criticising spelling as a valid argument point now?

Sup Forums likes the "accomplishment" high of purchasing a ThinkPad, installing Linux on it, and ricing it to their liking. As a professional programmer I agree with you - shit just works which is why I use it. Great if you buy into the ecosystem, ease of use across devices makes life a lot easier

Naw. I'm not even the same user arguing with you. I just wanted to point out it's a lot not alot.

Your points are mostly valid.

oh shit, then I apologize. a lot

There is no problem. Sup Forums is just salty about Apple in general. Normal well adjusted people use Apple hardware, but Sup Forums is the antithesis of normal. But really, a 13" MacBook Pro is the perfect machine for most people. You get the most solid premium feeling hardware you can get, a solid UNIX like OS with more support than Loonix, and you can run every OS you could ever need to. Bossman wants you to cook up some spreadsheets or some shit? Run wangblows in a VM or in boot camp. Same story with Lincucks or any other OS. Also Macs are the most reliable computers in the world. This is true of Apple hardware in general. Apple is GOAT but Sup Forums can't stand it because of either mental illness, poverty or both. It's sad really. :(

>glued on piece of trash parts
There is no way around that in the ultrabook form factor.
If that is a problem for you because you need to change out parts, don't get an ultrabook.
fwiw, I've never had a Macbook die on me and I've owned a few, but as with any other popular tech product there will be many reports of it failing.
I can't be bothered to find the study again but Macbooks where at most at least as reliable as other ultrabooks if not more reliable.

>Linus Torvalds
Didn't he use a Macbook Air for a couple of years?
In any case, Macbook Pros have been getting consistently good reviews from most if not all tech review sites, and if you don't trust some random user maybe you'll find someone there who you trust.

>Also Macs are the most reliable computers in the world. This is true of Apple hardware in general.
Uh.. I think thinkpads takes that. Thinkpads, in terms of durability are amazing. Keyboard feel is better as well.

the fact that they're glued on doesn't bother you at all? typical iToddler, no awareness.

Go Google Lenovo's most recent reliability ratings, then Google Apples most recent.....Lelnovo ruined any reliability the original memepads ever had because now they're just overpriced chinkshit with shit tier screens. Also have you not seen the recent shitstorm regarding Lenovo's fingerprint scanner hack and the X1 catching on fire? What about the Superfish bullshit?

So you'll suck Dells cock for making the latest XPS 13 with glued on non replaceable shit with only type c ports, but it's bad if Apple does it?

>dell
nigger, x1 carbon beats the shit out of your cuckbook pro.

>fingerprint scanner hack
That was just incompetence more than a hack. They kept a text file saved with keystrokes on your harddrive and it wasn't sent to anyone. Widely overexaggerated.
Also I was talking about the older models such as the x40p models. Those are comparable to the 2015 models of apple, they both have 4th gen intel processors. They are the last good ones thinkpad has made.

Why would it bother me? If I want to tinker with parts I'm opening up my desktop.
I got the configuration that suits my needs (software dev for work/private projects, music production, shitposting) when I bought this machine 3 years back.
It has served me well in the past and will likely serve me well for at least a couple of years. Why could I care about glue you sperg?

>he ironically enjoys a shitty keyboard
I had a mac and sold that piece of junk for a real laptop.

holy fuck apple users are dumb

I can only speak for the pre memebar version which still uses a regular Butterfly style keyboard.
It's absolutely fine. And that's coming from someone who fell for the mechanical keyboard meme and owns a Filco Majestouch 2 with aftermarket PBT caps and O-rings.
I've yet to see someone who has a significantly higher WPM with a mechanical keyboard..

Riiiight. Shall we compare the specs like I did last time...you know....when it was proven the X1 delivers shit components and is more expensive than the MacBook?

I actually like the bigger trackpads. I don't use a Macbook but I've got the Xiaomi Notebook Air and I appreciate it a lot more than the other laptops I used.
Is there a downside to it ?

specs don't mean shit when you got a garbage can keyboard

say what you want about retina macbooks, but the display is top tier.

>Didn't he use a Macbook Air for a couple of years?
Yes he did, back when they were pretty new. He later changed to another brand and even once more after that. He said that he won't consider Apple again when there are many better alternatives available nowadays.
>In any case, Macbook Pros have been getting consistently good reviews from most if not all tech review sites, and if you don't trust some random user maybe you'll find someone there who you trust.
They could only convince me if I didn't already have a Macbook before. I tried it with an open mind and was very dissapointed. Also the charger scorched itself so that's one out of one in my experience. I've used four different brands (multiple models in them) and it was the only one that had that problem.

Christ you people are desperate. Whatever man, have fun with your 250 nit shit panel, shit trackpad, 1866 RAM, slow SSDs, shit customer support, plastic chinkshit "build quality", shit speakers, shit OS with children's vidya gaymes preloaded, Lelnovo bloatware with chink backdoors and oh yeah, enjoy your house fire too

Typo fix, disappointed. Didn't notice in time.

Have you even typed on one? I'm faster on it than my mech keyboard.

My main complaints are the weak hardware and lack of easy upgradeability/maintenance.

However, these aren't things Apple desires to change, so it just means they aren't for me.

But that's true of almost all manufacturers these days unless you get a gaymer laptop which is pointless. Like it or not, shits getting thinner and the manufacturers are trying to deliver that

when they make the macbook dockable and price reasonable... then i'll buy one.

This too. A table full of dongles isn't a fucking dock.

Then get a dock or the right kind of external monitor. Even Lelnovo is using thunderbolt for docking

I'd agree they could drop the price, but they make their monies off hardware instead of spying/ads etc. So it's a bit better

Oh wonderful now ThinkPads have a WiFi vulnerability

I bought a 2015 macbook, immediately regretted it put it back on ebay a couple weeks later. Ended up losing a couple hundred dollars.

My fault for not getting enough hands on time with one. The high resolution looked nice for a couple things but in reality everythihg was blurry due to the scaling. The terminal looked okay but even safari was blurry, Firefox looked like garbage all images opened looked like shit.

Rdp into windows machines? Looked like shit because it can't scale correctly

Use vmware or connect to anything Linux? Looked like shit because nothing can scale correctly.

Not even osx can scale correctly for everything, my eyes physically hurt after using it for more than 30 min at a time. I have it a try and wanted to like it but in the end I realized the high resolution was literally useless.

Went back to using my 2011 macbook with a matte screen

thats... odd. I have one and don't notice anything blurry. Have you tried calibrating it. It could have been an unofficial screen as well.

>many [...] alternatives available nowadays
I'll give you that. Better, well that's entirely dependent on personal requirements.

Macbook Air really did disrupt the market. The very first generation was shit, but the subsequent generations were for a long time without any competition whatsoever. The whole ultrabook move from Intel was an attempt of Windows vendors to gain some traction in that segment, and it took a couple of years until it worked.
Nowadays, I wouldn't recommend a Macbook Air to anyone primarily due to the shitty TN screen and huge panels, but back then it was the perfect laptop if you needed a reliable portable laptop for office & browsing.

> I tried it with an open mind and was very dissapointed.
Well that sucks. What kind of laptop are you using today?
With regards to chargers, their failure rate seems directly correlated to care in handling them.
Out of 4 chargers, 1 original Apple failed on me. I still consider them a good product due to MagSafe (RIP).

I've found macOS scaling to be the best on all operating systems, and the font rendering to be beautiful. No complaints staring at text 8h+ a day, I'm struggling to understand what didn't work on your setup.
To my knowledge only the first generation of HiDPI macOS had some struggles, especially on the first gen Retina Macbook Pros.
I can even use my 1440p 27" Dell IPS with HiDPI scaling to 1080p and it looks minimally less sharp than the internal 13" 2560x1600 scaled to 1440x900.

I think it's bad value unless you've got a great deal like you did
Other than that the non upgradable nature puts me off but if I could afford to spend more and get a maxed out model I guess that'd be cool
This is the least amount of bait I've seen in an apple thread
Thanks OP

>tfw getting a maxed out 13" rMBP 2015 version for working at a startup
>company goes broke a couple months later and I get to keep the laptop
That sold me on the devices though. Would get a new one should this one break, it's just too comfy

Do you seriously expect people to believe this? Either you used a MacBook with a nigger rigged replacement screen or your just making shit up. Great panels and scaling is something even most anti Apple fags agree are fantastic on Macs

Open an image on Sup Forums and tell me that looks as good as opening it on a normal display. You can't because the image loos pixelated and like shit. Most of the os looked fine and osx is the best at scaling but it's far from perfect.

And considering it made using vmware and rdp useless, it made the laptop useless. If all you do is use safari I guess more power to you, but I have actually owned one of these and I won't fucking try to hide its faults.

The keyboard was fine
The trackpad was nice as usual
The battery life was fine
The USB ports were on either side making it possible to use both at the same time

But you cannot say everythihg scales correctly because you will be straight up lying

I still think you had a fucked up display. I've never had that issue even on older Macs. And honestly, even if it was bad, what are you doing to do, go back to wangblows or loonix resolutions and scaling? They're shit. So far (for me at least) Mac OS has been the best at making things look clear and sharp, as well as color accurate

Sup Forums doesn't hate MacBooks, it's just that one assblasted spammer who keeps evading bans

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Well I saw my coworker using this for 2 yrs so... I think it is fine. Our company has a lot of programmers who prefer OSX to the point we have a specific VM for windows in case they need do use some only windows applications... except it is slow as shit and everyone just bootcamps. I seen 3 people in my 1 yr of intership and 2 yrs of the actual job visibly complaining about their macbook breaking down. 2 were because 1 spilled monster on it and the other spilled starbucks. The other one was some idiot who opened it and accidentally broke something internally while basically prying it open. Otherwise, OS failures in general are rare.

>That pajeet tier furniture
geee I wonder who took this photo

The only problem I can think of is using one in a Windows heavy environment. But that's easily fixable by using a VM or boot camp. But yeah they're pretty much perfect

>macshit
Found your problem.

or just don't spill ur drink? Rossman did a video where he spilled water on his p51 and it lost some functionality. I think it was the fingerprint sensor and mic.

Either way if you spilled a sugary drink like a monster or starbucks on your laptop I am pretty sure it is done even if it is a thinkpad. Getting the sticky shit out is going to be a pain.

so don't drink jew juice, fatass

the fact that they shit on the decent 13" and 15"
2015 line with the new 2016 design

>liquid is channeled completely out the bottom
>only residue would be inside the replaceable $20 keyboard
Keep crying faggot.

>2017 ThinkPad X1 Carbon

>Intel Core i5-7300U Processor (3MB Cache, up to 3.50 GHz)
>Windows 10 Pro 64---Normie gaymer shit with pre installed spyware.
>14.0" WQHD (2560x1440) IPS Anti-Glare Non touch--- garbage non color accurate 250 nit brightness shit.
>16GB LPDDR3 1866 MHz---slow chinkshit.
>256 GB Solid State Drive PCIe-NVMe---still slow chinkshit despite being PCIe.
>Cheap, shitty plastic body which looks like shit. Lelnovo makes this plastic cheaper every year...Don't believe me? Go read the ThinkPad fag sub over on R*ddit. They get saltier every year over this shit build quality.
>$2,019.00-"Discount"=$1,817.10

>2017 MacBook Pro
>Intel core i5 7360U Processor (4MB cache, up to 3.6 Ghz)
Mac OS High Sierra---Solid UNIX like OS popular with devs but also normie friendly. Can also run literally any other OS you could need in a VM or Bootcamp.
>16GB 2133MHz LPDDR3 RAM---faster than Lelnovo's chinkshit.
256GB SSD---Look at the benchmarks, these are the fasted SSD's you can get in a laptop these days.
>Solid aluminum unibody---still the gold standard of laptop build quality.
>$1,699.00-$100 discount literally anyone can get without having to prove you're a student=$1,599.

Gee I wonder which machine is superior.

I don't, my coworker did? Nigga read.

it should have been named pizza leg

i actuallylike the older macbooks although i never owned one, the keyboars on the new ones are horrible though desu. That trackpad looks great though would be nice if in the next generation they implemented a wacom digitizer into it

There are lots of legitimate criticisms of Macbooks and Macbook Pros. Some off the top of my head are:

- Large numbers of models with high GPU failure rates
- Battery swelling issues
- Thermal throttling under load in MANY models
- Overpriced
- OverHyped
- Mac OS touted as "it just works" when it has often has serious software issues like other OS's (recent root issue was a glaring example).

That being said, they are not bad machines overall IMO. I really have a problem with the newer models just using USB-C and saying fuck all other I/O but my Late 2011 model is very snappy, was bought for $300 on ebay, and has a very enjoyable experience to use overall.

see

Anecdotal evidence put together by some pajeetfag.
How about you go google some real reliability ratings of primary data collected by Consumer Reports? They'll show Apple is at the top of their game.

Sup Forums FUCKING LIED TO ME

Holy shit did the chinks kill the ThinkPad
That's fucking sad

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>primary data
>self-reporting surverys
Fuck off iPajeet.

It's primary data collected by a non profit organization.
Fuck off neckbeard. Go be a salty little cunt somewhere else

>t. mactoddler assblasted that all hard data (a.k.a. not self reported anecdotes by fruit cultists) have shown applel is fucking trash

Even more damning about these hard numbers is that Applel sells only $1000+ laptops whereas everyone else on the chart sells a mix of $1000+ laptops plus a ton of cheap low end models. Macs have an absolutely insane failure rate. Examples like are extremely common.

200$ Dell.

Macs are the best *nix engineering platform in almost every respect. The applications are pleasant and don't fight you, the UI is light-weight, it is already compatible with everything you use on Linux, plus has Microsoft word, outlook, and whatever other business needs you have. It is like having the best of windows with none of its bullshit.

Sup Forums hates it as a meme.

Personally I think you just paid $500 for a used video player and text editor.

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That's because there's nothing wrong with Macs, desu

>Secondary data from 2009
And don't try to deny it, anyone can recognize it, it's that same fucking chart you dipshit neckbeards reference like it's your bible.
Are you retarded or just stupid?

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