GNOME: 735 MiB idle RAM usage

>GNOME: 735 MiB idle RAM usage
>KDE: 315 MiB idle RAM usage
What wizardry is this?

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competent developers

>mate 275mb

>KDE
>competent developers

I just don't understand this anymore. No one is forcing you to use either.

If have enough RAM, then you're afforded the ability to choose freely.
If you don't have enough RAM, tough luck. I want a Ferrari, but I don't have the salary for it.

>If have enough RAM, then you're afforded the ability to choose freely.

>2010
>Ubuntu 10.10 with Gnome 2is works perfectly on 256 mb of ram and no swap usage
>2018
>500 mb in idle is OK.

Why? It is a kernel problem? Sys-d? Or just gnome is shit?

The point is that GNOME uses twice as much RAM while having fewer features.

Literally just use XFCE heck even LXDE/LXQT

gnome got forked several times after 3.x for a reason

this is a lie. I have a minimal debian install and mate 16 was running 500mb. the move to gtk3 made mate heavier

letsfollowthewhiterabbit.blogspot.com/2012/06/kde-on-raspberry-pi.html

Kde on a raspberry pi uses about 100MB of RAM.
If you have more RAM to spare, it will make use of more, but it needs much less.

gnome is disgusting bloated shit with a psuedo tablet interface that makes me want to puke

They're a hell of a lot more competent than GNOME devs.

That's a fact but still, the kde devs are far from competent. everything feels messy and broken and it's obvious that they barely test anything before they release an update. I'm sure the only reason people use kde is because it's qt and it has a cute logo

I don't know if they are more competent. But they are nicer people overall.

are you anti-gnome SJWs still posting this shit

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>debian sid
>kernel 4.9

>Moving goalpost

unused ram is a wasted ram

The DE shouldn't be using that much RAM.
As much RAM should be saved for user programs as possible.

That would be doable if Linux had good memory management like Windows but sadly it doesn't

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>4.14
sure is old in here

>muh numbers
it's like 3 months old

just gnome stuff
either x wm or weston work with 100-150MB

for gnome it make be less if you enable auto login for gdm

> not using mate 1.20

But, for real. I'm waiting for 1.20 to hit Debian repo. Been following mate-desktop on the tracker.

I thought I could get MATE 1.20 once I upgraded to sid but I guess not
I guess I have to add MATE repos directly from their website for that

XFCE is GOAT

That's mostly because KDE has few dedicated devs in comparison to GNOME, which has Red Hat and shit behind it.

>i3: basically no ram usage

Why does KDE put Ks on everything? Why can't I just use the terminal and not the Kerminal or whatever.

this.

/thread

>Has to install Arc to make XFCE look decent
The absolute state of XFCE.

>Ubuntu
>xfce
>not Xubuntu
wut

>be KDE user
>open application picker
>alphabetically sorted
>everything is listed under K
alas

>ubuntu with xfce
>uses more ram than gtk3 mate
the absolute state of ubuntu

openbox

Font name?

Tell us more about your feels user

>Ubuntu
>xfce
>not Xubuntu

Actually it's Lubuntu with an XFCE install.

uwotm8

Garuda. It's the OSX font.

Are they functionally identical? No? Then why are you comparing apples to oranges?

this is true
mutter is sluggish as hell

Cinnamon seems pretty light.

It is the K Desktop Environment.
K doesn't mean anything and putting an awkward K in the applikation name was a fun quirk that simultaneously ensured unique project names.

As to why it can't just be renamed to "terminal", this is a design choice of KDE and I tend to agree with it.
Applications having the same name as the binary is a good thing.
Lets look at the relevant lines in the desktop file:
[Desktop Entry]
Type=Application
Name=Konsole
Exec=konsole
GenericName=Terminal
Comment=Command line access

When you search for an application, any word after the '=' will lead you to konsole.
So if you search for "command line", "terminal" or "konsole", you find it, the name is not relevant to the new user.
The experienced user should prefer the simplicity of this.
If you want to launch an application from a script, you already know the names of the applications you are using.
It is expected of any KDE user to know the names of the projects he or she uses.
Hiding this information in the name of simplicity is a mistake.

Say you are new to gnome and you want to setup a hotkey that launches an application.
You are expected to know that "terminal" is called "gnome-terminal", "image viewer" is called "eog" etc.
And it gets weirder if you have multiple applications with the same name field in the desktop file.
This confusion is not needed.

fpbp

This. While their UI design is flawed they make much better software.

GNOME devs are incompetent autistic children. GNOME was a mistake. KDE and Qt should become the new standard on GNU.

Even if you have 128GB RAM KDE is a better choice. That's the whole point.

You're right. KDE has 10 times more features and functions.

The joke is that the C from CDE becomes K.
It was founded by a German, where hard 'C' sounds are usually written as 'K'.
Going further conqueror becomes Konqueror, console becomes Konsole, etc.

why?

only 41 minutes of uptime; boooo

I can't even solve the captcha that fast.
Why are robots better than humans to solve these things?
I always get the fade away images that take ages to solve

>using desktop environments

>256M available
>Currently using 1.58G of that 256M

dude javascript lmao

But seriously, this is pathetic. KDE always had the reputation for being bloated, because it was. KDE was the DE that did everything and crashed all the time.
Now GNOME does nothing, crashes all the time, and still consumes all your RAM. Utterly pathetic.

>xfce

Enjoy your screen tearing

What is cinnamon?

If you don't want to train jews bot - just do the shaky mouse movement and click on different parts of capthca

How to fix this fucking tearing? Driver fault? or what?
I just like XFCE, but man, tearing sucks.

apt-get install compton

>he fell for compton meme

kek

it just werks

You may not like it, but this is what top performance looks like.

/thread

Enable the compositor, enable vsync, configure xorg with tearfree stuff.

xfwm 4.13 fixes it, 4.14 will further fix it.
Alternatively enable tear-free option in your nVidia settings, or in the config file if you're using Intel iGPU. If you're on AMD then you'll need xfwm 4.13 or Compton.

>idle ram usage
What's the fucking point? Do you spend so much of your time watching the desktop, that you are concerned how much ram is used while doing nothing. Do a comparison under your usual your workloads and then decide which one is worse.

>If you're on AMD then you'll need xfwm 4.13 or Compton.
Or just apply the same fix that works for intel. I pretty much use the same settings for my x220 and my desktop with an rx 550.

>it just werks

[citation needed]

I think this comment is where the term "SJW" has finally lost all its meaning.

didn't know that works, thanks.

Is there any reason why the file manager and the image viewer don't follow the K naming rule?

Swap.

TearFree works with my AMD Polaris GPU.

>why the file manager
Konqueror was the file manager for a long time

LXDE/QT Masterrace

>256M memory

what the fuck

What the fuck are you talking about. xubuntu and lubuntu are just ubuntu with a different desktop installed by default. There are no changes under the hood

Oh yeah I remember Konqueror used to be both the browser and the file manager, but the question still stands on why they named the new one like the GCN emulator instead of choosing a new name with K.

only QT is actually something professional instead of GTK which is a pile of shit.

There is a reason everyone is moving from Gnome to KDE faggot

>Kerminal
Konsole you fucking pleb

I have no idea what GNOME is or does sorry

>not using XFCE

>GNOME devs are incompetent autistic children. GNOME was a mistake. KDE and Qt should become the new standard on GNU.
I'm old enough to remember when Pat said exactly the same thing 10+ years ago and ditched gnome almost completely for Slackware, you needed to get a second CD if you wanted gnome, default desktop was glorious KDE 3.5.
Then KDE 4 happened.

>Even if you have 128GB RAM KDE is a better choice. That's the whole point.
The problem with KDE is that it still freezes or closes aplications randomly, it doesnt happen to everyone but happens to a lot of builds. The "works in my machine" meme never helped. Wish I could use it daily, but I just cant trust it. They dont even cache stuff so you can recover it after the application you where using autokills itself

>You're right. KDE has 10 times more features and functions.
Most of it is ricing and useless shit that ppl that use defaults dont care about

Wish they made a KDE lite or "tablet mode", you know something basic with easy shortcuts. The current "start menu" gives me headaches and cant press win key + search because kde

The state of linux desktop is getting really sad at this point, having to use Unity bcs its the least shit is ironic to say the least.

>xfce
>2018

Nice tearing, user.

For me kwin crashes when I alt+tab. Usually happens when I hold alt to look at the window list. The settings utility and/or kwin can crash when i'm adjusting settings too. Seen both happen on both Fedora and Neon. Some applications don't have menus unless I enable the global menu. It's a shame since I think KDE is a lot more useable than Gnome, but I don't want to deal with the crashes.

For now I'll just use Mate.

>gnome SJW
>calling others SJWs
right

But I want my DE to use no RAM but also to provide me with an infinite amount of processes to give me a smooth desktop experience where everything I might want to do is already being done in the background.

>muh crashes
Let me guess, nvidia gpu?

Polaris with the plain amdgpu driver. Should I have bought an i740?

Crashed in my nvidia desktop and even worse in my radeon laptop
Nvidia sucks but they cant keep blaming them for everything.
Ironically you looked at the Fedora wiki in 2012 it literally blamed most problems on radeon drivers and the solution was "get nvidia"

>10 years into Linux
>never hear about tearing
>enter in 2018
>this is somehow a problem now
What is this and why I've never had it?

>The state of linux desktop is getting really sad at this point, having to use Unity bcs its the least shit is ironic to say the least.
it's a bit of a meme at this point but just bite the bullet and take the time to change your computing habits and learn a tiling wm, linux on the desktop will always be shit while you have gnome devs developing for a use-case that doesn't exist and while kde is massively understaffed and underfunded

>For me kwin crashes when I alt+tab.
if you're comfortable setting your monitors up in an xorg conf and/or using xrandr to make adjustments you can disable kwin all together, for at least 2 fedora releases while using kde I had to do this due to another unrelated kwin bug
>Seen both happen on both Fedora and Neon.
honestly fedora's kde spin is one of the worst spins for being unpolished and buggy - so much so that the lead kde spin developer quit the project a few years ago, if you want a proper kde experience you need to use opensuse but I don't think they've fixed all the stability issues with it
>but I don't want to deal with the crashes.
I honestly can sympathise, I stopped using kde because of all the god awful crashes and stability issues but other kde fanboys I've talked to have never experienced any of this, in my experience kde is awful if you're using multiple monitors or are doing anything slightly involved with x which includes disabling monitors often

it's shit on nvidia too but I haven't used nvidia for 3-4 years now, although nvidia's drivers have gone down the shitter while amdgpu is the best thing to happen to gpu drivers on linux in a decade

it's not a problem at all, Sup Forums is full of retards that can't figure out how to use a composition manager or can't/don't want to enable vsync using their gpu drivers - it's *usually* a 2 minute fix
that said, xfce doesn't come with a composition manager out of the box or if it does it doesn't work very well

>xfce doesn't come with a composition manager out of the box or if it does it doesn't work very well
Xfwm has had its own compositor for over a decade. It was a bit janky at first, with shadows and phantom windows being stuck in random places on your screen, but when testing it recently on FreeBSD, it was pretty ok. Worked well and I didn't have anything inconvenient happen.

yeah my bad, I looked it up after submitting the post and realised I was wrong

Except the GNOME developers when the force projects to choose to either be' GNOME Projects' or have the APIs they need to use rewritten every ~3 months until they capitulate.

GNOME is literally is gang.

> Gnome: double RAM usage
The 'power' of systemD

Gnome2 was almost dead when ubuntu came out.
People really liked orange and brown.
Later kubuntu came out, which of course was a steaming heap, then all the little gnome tards tried it and became life long KDE haters.
So to sum up, blame ubuntu.

>The current "start menu" gives me headaches and cant press win key + search because kde
There's no point in having any application-menu-type widgets (which I agree are shitty) enabled when there's motherfucking krunner under alt+space. It's arguably *the* best feature of entire KDE.

but the application menu should be easy to access, it's literally easier to find on openbox.
If needs to have more things disabled by default, you have a desktop inside the desktop, 4 workspaces + activities, shitton of "glossy" animations, etc. They forgot the KISS philosophy, hoped plasma 5 would fix it but just added more. A simpler version of KDE (LXQt is an abomination) would be a godsend, thats why oldfags miss 3.5 so much