try to get something running that uses less than this does.
Sebastian Foster
what terminal are you using? and is that with Xorg?
i haven't compared memory usage between X and Wayland (using sway compositor) yet but i want to try both and find out
Matthew Flores
it was actually used through ssh and i compiled dropbear to it. with gui the usage grows a bit but im sure that it could be optimized by changing some settings or even recompiling xorg.
Alpine vs Void, which should I pick and why? If I got Void I'm using musl, if that makes a difference.
Christopher Baker
trying luakit (qutebrowser wouldn't install without giving me errors about PyQt) and it looks comfy but shit like "inspect element" causes the page to crash. vi-like navigation and clean interface is pretty cool though
i haven't tried void (i have the ISO to spin up in a VM, might do that now). i think the big differences are package manager, init, and coreutils. i'll let you know if i find anything else of note when installing void
Jayden Rivera
guess i can't use luakit until github.com/luakit/luakit/issues/550 is fixed. there's too many bugs running it under musl that i can't do anything aside from just opening pages and scrolling around really.
i also tried to get connman configured but it seems tedious compared to just starting NetworkManager and having it autodetect my shit. has anyone here used connman with usb gadget tethering?
Benjamin Harris
Pretty sure you can use busybox on Void as well.
John Clark
i mean, you can use busybox on any distro, but it still is worth pointing out that it isn't the default coreutils offered on void
Faggy OP here. Thanks for making the new general! Here's a cute how? even a default void install with absolutely nothing installed uses over 30MB not systemd + small window managers + light terminal emulators + terminal applications or at least very lightweight ones.
Anthony Butler
forgot the cute, UwU
Robert Morales
I'm in! yay
Jose Hughes
Install i3
Carson Williams
but i did
Jose Jenkins
no systemd and kernel compiled with everything unnecessary removed and a shell thats not bash. its not really that hard to make it minimal.. i would not be able to do it if it was.
Parker Roberts
We already have #Sup Forumsminimal @ Rizon
Adrian Russell
Is this in use or ?
Adrian Kelly
Rizon
Hudson Ross
Ok, probably should be in next OP then
David King
We are talking about microkernels in the IRC, mach (hurd), sel4, minix, genode, and openstack. Apparently they are not usable yet.
Wyatt Ramirez
microkernels aren't necessary. The plan9 Kernel isn't a microkernel, and still is smaller than most others, while also being in a fully usable state. I would actually start using it if there was a browser (Sup Forums posting should be doable) and a videodecoder/player written for it. Maybe porting h264 from ffmpeg would be easy, since it's written in C.
Chase Lee
I dont like plan9 userspace, sounds like bait and not really usable. I have to admit the GUI is visual vomit and eye-unfriendly with all the whiteness.
Matthew Cooper
>eye-unfriendly with all the whiteness. Thats your opinion. I sometimes enjoy white backgrounds more. But anyway, you can just change the colors, you know? You can make it dark-like-your-soul all you want. As for the userland, it would be quite easy to just port dwm or something to plan9. Creating software all in all is much easier with plan9, since it's uses a standardized minimalistic graphical system following UNIX-philosophy, no x-bullshit.
I am currently doing a cli only alpine setup. Is there a cli browser that supports replying in imageboards?
Liam Flores
Unless you have a pass there isnt a way to reply.
Logan Murphy
quanstro.net/newbie-guide.pdf >More of the OS and hardware are presented to you in the filesystem. For example, /dev/screen is the screen, /dev/mouse is the mouse, and /dev/time is the clock. The environment variables are "files" in /env. Control settings can be made by writing on special files rather than through system (IOCTL) calls. This idea from plan9 is cool, pretty cool. Are other kernels implementing it?
Ethan Kelly
Not to the extent that plan9 does (except for its offshoots). Linux took some hints from plan9, and with userspace filesystems you can create programs that behave a bit like plan9 programs, but you won't get the full system to be this way. But there really is no need for another kernel, since plan9 is already fully functional.
Ayden Richardson
fuck rizon i cant get mouse working in my plan9 vm over vnc :^(
Nicholas Bailey
Where can I see a list of application running on plan9?
>fuck rizon Why? Is anybody on the other IRC?
Nolan Martinez
>Why? Is anybody on the other IRC? He's retarded. Don't split the community and stay there.
Eli Butler
Daily reminder that decimal prefixes (like, decimal kilobytes) are bloat
Carson Gonzalez
it shouldnt have been on rizon in the first place
Gabriel Perez
Looking at some plan9 distros stumped with Harvey harvey-os.org/
Connor Parker
efnet is unstable and not anonymous. proxy usage is not allowed so everyone will see your ip.
Parker Roberts
>everyone will see your ip I wont go there
Evan Thompson
>implying proxy usage is allowed on rizon also, efnet's RBLs are more permissive than rizon's, so you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. the last efnet server to block tor ipv4 was in early 2016, and to this day most of efnet doesn't use shit like dronebl
not like anyone can do shit with your ip as long as you don't go into random channels and shit talk everyone
Joseph Thomas
Installing Crux now
Jeremiah Howard
I just use Crux with plan9port
Kayden King
but rizon wont show your ip to everyone like efnet does.
Carson Lopez
and?
Gabriel Baker
>installed >boot >kernel panic >VFS: unable to mount root fs bla bla bla
Fuck this shit meme loonix
Sebastian Morales
I'm having some trouble installing Alpine linux guys. It's says
after typing sda for the drive I want to use and sys for the option. Any suggestions for what's going wrong?
Dylan Nelson
...
Jose Robinson
Congrats, remember to write down the install process so you will remember next time and maybe share it.
Jace Walker
This is not my desktop. I'm the
Lincoln Jackson
why did you hide ram usage, uptime and cpu model?
Asher Phillips
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Jaxson Mitchell
you're using the setup-alpine script? double-check if your network is working, make sure you chose a repository, and do `apk update`
Adam Garcia
>useful >GNU corelibs :^)
Carter Watson
Ok, thanks for the help.
Carter Rogers
>implying all open source doesnt own to the GNU project at some point :^)
Luis Wright
>>useful >>GNU corelibs >:^) why aren't the GNU corelibs useful, user? They seem pretty useful to me!
Nathaniel Martin
Ok. Let's do it, Sup Forums! Help this user to make a crux install with no errors.
Caleb Young
Terminal Pager: less -> most A terminal web browser can be used as a pager, an apparently so does text editors en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_pager
Shutdown the system and copy the virtual drive
Owen Brown
Already compiling the kernel
Kevin Gray
Good luck then
Chase Wright
Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh, I got it!
Andrew Bailey
Networking is not working, Sup Forums. I read the wiki but i cannot solve this problem. :/
Problem solved. I just need to put "eth0" on /etc/rc.conf.
>To enable this service you need to add net to the SERVICES array in /etc/rc.conf.
Thanks for you help, user. :)
Elijah Miller
moved from i3 to herbslutwm recently. its nice, i like how the config is done with bash scripts and such. i3 had a memory leak problem and would go up to 3% memory in a few days and probably more if i didnt reset it often.
gunna try and move to a lightweight browser next. uzbl doesnt seem to work properly, but might be because i havent updated the rest of my system. gunna retry once thats finished.
Colton Carter
where's the DE/WM ram usage comparison?
Mason Mitchell
github.com/saitoha/libsixel Imagine all the bloat the we can cut if we replace many image/video GUIs with sixels
Benjamin Miller
...
Ian Perez
Has anyone done a ZFS + luks void install?
Jeremiah Diaz
>GNU >Minimalism Pick one. Alpine or go home.
Mason Carter
go away
Adrian Rogers
Butthurt stallmanite detected
Logan Green
t. anti-gnu shill
Xavier Adams
Daily reminder to join #glmg @ efnet.
Kevin Johnson
need some help with alpine on virtualbox... idk what i'm doing wrong but either the documentation sucks or i'm becoming a brainlet, because when I install xorg it appears to be incomplete, it doesn't include the vesa driver, and if I install the recommended vmware driver, it says that there's no video driver. Also, wtf is wrong with the guest additions? Why are there two wiki pages that give three different commands and neither of them seem to work at all.
Jace Green
Just make your mind already
Jayden Gomez
oh, looks like its an issue with webkit2. got to recompile myself or wait for it to get fixed in the repository.
Aaron Lopez
>loc In which language? Also how many languages? Is not the same
Mason Carter
>recompiling xorg May the gods have mercy on your soul.
Carson Morris
#!/bin/bash # Replace systemd with upstart on debian based distros sudo apt-get install upstart-sysv; sudo update-initramfs -u; sudo apt-get purge systemd
Chase James
>try to install crux on host machine >cucked
Jason Barnes
Nigger, that's ram usage
Nicholas Gonzalez
That sounds about par for the course on desktop Alpine. IIRC the video driver actually works in VMWare.
Adam Adams
Fuck, now it looks like somehow I managed to install xfce(using the vesa driver) but the guest additions are still not working.
Jace Ward
upstart is a complete mess, almost as bad as systemd, even plain old sysvinit would be better.
Install runit if you can.
Ethan Martinez
I fucking hate this piece os shit called xorg. This shit ancient crap needs to die!
Carter Cook
I just install arch with fluxbox and firefox, all I need
might as well use chromeos at this point
Bentley Smith
>try to get something running that uses less than this does.
Embedded systems use way less than that.
>used through ssh
>everything unnecessary removed
Everything is unnecessary in a system with no purpose/intended function. What are you using this machine for? Headless server? A controller for some exotic hardware? Stripped down system for extra security? Low power build? Or was it just for fun/practice?
If you're only using it for one thing, preferably something simple, like controlling hardware through a serial port, or basic(really basic) network services well...
Then you might as well just write a bootloader that does what you need. Or write it into the fucking BIOS.
I'm pretty sure some of the newer UEFI stuff has a shell built right in.
That Athlon is to old for that. But editing the existing BIOS or halfway writing your own is within the realm of possibility.
I have a Pentium 3 system laying around that I soldered a tiny flash chip to. Right next to the original BIOS(into the traces really).
Less than 2MB in size, full FTP server with telnet too. No hard drives or boot media needed. Seriously nothing hands the boot off to this flash chip. It replaced the original BIOS.
*Warning/disclaimer: Writing a BIOS, or anything in assembly/machine code/just fucking opcodes and memory addresses/registers is not for the faint of heart and not necessary or recommended.
Tools exist that make it easier... most of the time. Proprietary opcodes and hidden functions plus tools and compilers only available under really restrictive licences(not issued to the general public) will stop you in your tracks. All before you even get to working on drivers.
Pick an easy platform/architecture/system to work with. Or do the sane thing and just don't try to work with bare metal at all.
Unless most of the work has already been done for you it's not worth it.
>try to get something running that uses less than this does.
Give me a reason/use case first.
Jordan Butler
I'm done with Alpine, ram usage was great at 72mb but without the GA working it's useless. Will try Void and see how it goes.
