AntiCSD initiative

GNOME are actively evangelizing open source/desktop linux software projects, to make them use CSD. This means they won't integrate as well with non-GNOME desktops such as KDE or XFCE.

I'm proposing that those of us who care should go and send messages to open source projects that GNOME have been contacting (such as Firefox) and let them know that there's a lot of people who don't like CSD or 'headerbars', and ask them to keep the old style 'file view edit etc' menubars as an config option if they do implement CSD headerbars.

I'm going to email some projects now.

blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2018/01/26/csd-initiative/

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>GNOME
>cares
You are wasting time, OP

If you think I care about gnome, I certainly don't. But I do care that non-gnome stuff is getting infected with gnome disease.

I have to say I agree that this shouldn't affect other desktop environments (I mean my favorite is KDE so I'm kinda biased and I would say definitely don't fuck with it) but unfortunately I predict that no matter the amount of requests the GNOME fucks will do whatever they want if it means turning the DE into a bigger sack of shit than what it is right now.

I would say though, I want DEs and software to be designed and evolve in such a way that space is not wasted at all while keeping most if not all the functionality. I hate this thing where, because we have high resolution displays now, we have to make a title bar extra thick, a fullscreen programs menu and needless stuff like that. Even though I dislike Firefox, I like that at least you can make it waste very little vertical space.

>non-GNOME desktops such as KDE or XFCE
I don't know what XFCE is or does sorry

>I have to say I agree that this shouldn't affect other desktop environments (I mean my favorite is KDE so I'm kinda biased and I would say definitely don't fuck with it) but unfortunately I predict that no matter the amount of requests the GNOME fucks will do whatever they want if it means turning the DE into a bigger sack of shit than what it is right now.

You don't seem to have understood OP. This isn't about GNOME becoming more shit (if that's even possible, but I guess you can trust the gnome devs to manage it somehow)
This is about GNOME going and contacting non-gnome projects like Firefox etc and telling them to change the design so that it works like shitty gnome software.
The point is to ask those projects to keep the non-gnomified style as an option for people who don't want CSD.

non-GNOME projects will chose CSD over SSD becuase is better, simple, and not because GNOME is promoting it, KDE wants to stick to the archaic SSD and want everyone else to do the same, they implemented wayland last and wan't everyone else to play by the rules, fuck them and fuck you too.

this is why client side decorations are dumb

quite a lot of window managers already provide a title bar
and those that don't have keybinds for exiting the application and whatnot
also, what's with the huge ass buttons that look like they were made for use on touch screen devices?
if they're so concerned about not wasting vertical space, they could've just had a normal 20px menu bar instead of that colossal turd log of a bar
this is literally the definition of bloat
they're acting as if gnome is the only DE out there
hopefully this cancer won't spread beyond shitty gnome applications

Gnome has nothing to do with the linux kernel.

>quite a lot of window managers already provide a title bar

It doesn't work like that in Wayland you stupid moron, you are putting a screenshot of X.org, and your stupid Windows Manager is not well configured to not show titlebars in programs that implement CSD.

>/ maymay

why is the gnome user interface so ugly? the design feels so childish

So x window managers should be forced to find out if their shitty gnome clients implement CSD?
That is dumb as fuck, and also bloat.
I personally just think it's time to ditch gnome.
It has always been shitty. Not that qt is better.

Designed by retards.
Can't design an API and can't design GUI.

sudo apt install gtk3-nocsd

Still has the retarted big header bar. Gnome was a mistake

Because TAABLETS and TOOUCH.
As if fucking anyone would use Linux on a tablet when people don't even run it on Desktops.

...

>So x window managers should be forced to find out if their shitty gnome clients implement CSD?

They don't have to guess you stupid moron, CSD applications send a signal telling the WM thet have CSD, the window manager just need to omit drawing the title bar on those.

>I personally just think it's time to ditch gnome.
I personally just think you should KYS

Your life is a mistake.

do you have a recommendation for a better DE?
Im a linux noob and i have been thinking of switching from ubuntu to mint or debian with a window manager

>defending a project that doesnt care about user critisicms

cucks

debian will take you time confuring thing that are default on Ubuntu, and mint is just Ubuntu with an other DE
If you want to switch go to other user-friendly distro like Fedora or Opensuse

So then we can truly have a unified Linux experience, huh?
With stupidly big buttons, and wasted space.
All while some clients still need titlebars because not every program is Gnome.
Go suck a foot you dumb gnometard.

Just use dwm. That is what I do.
You will get used to it.
The problem with gnome isn't the DE, but the whole GUI library aspect, which wants to force everyone else to get along with their stupid crap.

>cucks
Nothing wrong with taking the side of the standar Linux DE.

>So then we can truly have a unified Linux experience, huh?
why ??

>So then we can truly have a unified Linux experience, huh?

When other buggy irrelevant DEs like KDE and other dissapear, meanwhile, GNOME is not oblígate to follow the rules of thos irrelevant DE's

lmao, found him. reddit.com/user/swick_
literal redditor and a Gnome apologist. Wouldn't surprise me if he's a cuck too, although I doubt he has a gf. Probably simply watches cuck porn

>the standar Linux DE
citation required

I know that you can provide better bait, user! ganbatte!

>Nothing wrong with taking the side of the standar Linux DE.

Not bait, there should be only one Linux DE, and that is GNOME, the others are just irrelevant.

GNOMEfags want the GNU/Linux community and ecosystem to look like Microsoft's or Apple's. Where there is one centralized group calling the shots on everything. They believe that this is the only way for GNU/Linux to achieve success as a desktop OS.

>A sourvey of Linux Questions
>Only 10,000 voters
Ewww lad, Linux Questions stopped being relevant years ago.

>. Where there is one centralized group calling the shots on everything

Not at all, but GNOME developers are not obligated to do what other irrelevant desktop want,they can do their own shit if they want, but should not spect GNOME developers to implement it.

It's better for everyone if Gnome just stops trying.
They did their best in the past, but nobody has liked them for a while now.
Actually pretty much everyone complained about Gnome 3 even being a thing.
Now this crap. It just makes Linux look like an OS for elderly and disabled people.
Nobody wants that.

Good thing none of the relevant applications are developed by gnome if that is the mindset.

>yeah it's bad but you know Redhat want it to be the standard so I force myself to like it

cuck

>RedHat
>Ubuntu
>Debian
>SUSE Enterprise
>And many more
Just the distros that matter, the rest like Neon, Kubuntu are abortios of others distros.

>Everyone hates GNOME becuase I say so, I have no evidence but a bunch of loud mouth trolls in the internet.

GTFO

will this affect window managers?
No?
Year of tiling window managers then.

>thinking kubuntu is a separate distro
you must be a retard, then

the most of Gnome app are just some input field with ok button, if the Gnome project die we will not loose any top tier app like Firefox, Krita, Eclipse, Intellij, Blender...

Fuck yeah! GNOME sucks and only does shit, they never helped Linux. Viva KDE!

>yeah it's bad but you know Redhat/SUSE/Canonical want it to be the standard so I force myself to like it

still cuck

If that is the case, then there are zero reasons for Kubunto to exists then.

Is like major open source initiatives want to take over the others. They are seeing the year of the linux desktop is coming and want to make sure users are tied to their walled garden.

I like CSD. I hope KDE adopts it.

there are people liking KDE but still wanna ubuntu repo you know

They won't. KDE will be using SSD

wtf I love centralization now! Red Hat please fuck my ass!

Keep crying and pissing yourself in that corner of special kids that like GNOME at this point

The same can be applied to any DE you stupid, is not DEs job to provide something like intellij you moron, Firefox uses GTK3, Krita is a niche app used by a few but overmarketed to the sky, Eclipse uses GTK also.

>Still shows no evidence
You are boring.

Ubuntu is fine, just install some wms and see which one you like

GTK is for Gimp ToolKit you dumb

And those people are irrelevant, they should be using GNOME for the best.

cuck

>Fuck your preferences. Use GNOME because I say so!

>GTK is for Gimp ToolKit you dumb
Created and maintained by GNOME developers you stupid.

>Use GNOME because I say so!
No, use GNOME because is the best for Linux, is the only DE doing things righ and more stable

last time I tryed Gnome it crash randomly my session without saving my works, both on wayland and xorg
KDE just werks

>the only DE doing things righ and more stable
MY FUCKING SIDES

>want it to be the standard
They don't want it to be standar, they use it as default because it is the standar.

Werks for me
NOT AN ARGUMENT

the whole Linux ecosysystem is a niche you dumb fuck

KDE at least has some killer apps like Krita and Kate

>Krita
Niche app, the irony is that Krita developers use GNOME becuase it work better with drawing boards
>Kate
pfff, font rendering sucks, even VS Code is better than tha POS

>Werks for me
>werks for every one
>every one should use GNOME ITS THE MORE STABLE AND THE BETTER BECAUSE I SAY SO
>LINUX IS FREEDOM WHY NO ONE LISTEN TO MY FREEDOM AND FOLLOW MY FREEDOM ORDER !

They could also check if the WM supports and respects CSD. Use CSD when the window manager supports it, don't use CSD when the window manager doesn't. Only window managers that want to support CSD have to be changed. That way you avoid situations like

>is the only DE doing things righ and more stable

Lets look at Distrowatch for the most popular Distributions
1. Mint
doesn't even have Gnome on their website anymore.
They actually prefer a Gnome2 fork over Gnome 3, lol.
2. Manjaro
It does have Gnome behind XFCE and Gnome.
The implication is clear when reading the description
3. Debian
Many flavors
4. Ubuntu
Nigger OS, recently switched back to Gnome after their botched attempt to do it themselves.
5. Solus (lol)
They have a Gnome flavor, but who uses Solus without using Budgie?
6. Antergos
Many flavors
7. elementary
Their own shit.
8. Fedora
Gnome3 and a fat bitch named Christine Flood who is a 'JVM Performance Engineer'
Anyway, it's obvious redhat will use their own stupid shit.
9. TrueOS (what the hell is this shit?)
Many flavors.
10. Opensuse.
Their standard seems to be Cinnamon

So Gnomefags pretend that their DE is the most popular, when it isn't.
The most popular Distro doesn't even have Gnome.
There was a time when Gnome was popular, but then they fucked everything up by going to Gnome3.
Now nobody cares anymore.
I don't think I even have a single Gnome application installed, and I don't see a reason to.
GIMP used tobe the big draw, but nowadays Krita exists.

even Firefox is now a niche app stop with this

>pfff
>>>/reddit/

>I don't know what a window manager is or does, sorry.

>standar
>righ
Why are you doing this on purpose?

>It does have Gnome behind XFCE and Gnome.
*behind XFCE and KDE

The real problem isn't GNOME. It's that GNOME developers haven't been giving a shit about compatibility outside of their nonstandard GNOME implementation, and a LOT of programs rely on their frame work. These look and feel like garbage on anything that isn't gnome.

Look all that buthurt KDE trolls that can't accept GNOME is the standar and best Linux DE.

Go use KDE if you want, but don't force that POS for the rest of us, if KDE is no the standar Linux DE like GNOME is becuase it sucks.

ITT the only advantage of GNOME is to be the default on 2 or 3 distro

>these look and feel like garbage on anything that isn't gnome.
Thje solution is simple, use GNOME

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>standar
Why are you doing this?
Don't you feel emberassed?

The advantage of GNOME is to be the standar Linux DE, the more stable and the best.

the better solution by that logic is to use Mac OS and not giving a fuck about some shit tier linux app

>don't force that POS for the rest of us
Like GNOME devs are trying to do with their CSD initiative?

The solution is simple.
Punish the gnome devs by abandoning Gnome, and telling others to do the same.
Their relevance will dwindle, and at one point things will get better for everyone

Why should I? those who push archaic solutions like SSD should be embarassed. GNOME right thing.

stop pretending speaking english fucking pajeet

They get funded by red hat though.

>standar
Go shit on the street Rajneesh and leave Sup Forums

Just because it's open sores doesn't mean developers can't do whatever they want

yet you keep replying
also, when did linux stop being a community project?
> inb4 gnome/linux

>archaic
"Haha I said its archaic so clearly it is! If I keep saying it, maybe it'll come true!!"

They are not forcing anyone, they are jus ignoring the irrelevants DEs like KDE, simple and fair.

>Punish the gnome devs by abandoning Gnome

GNOME develoler abandoning GNOME? you are stupid, you don't even know what you are saying.

Use whatever you want, but in Linux use GNOME.

BTW, Stallman is always right.

When redhat sees people leaving Gnome, they will reflect on their actions.

>They are not forcing anyone, they are jus ignoring the irrelevants DEs like KDE, simple and fair.
and we are ignoring GNOME, simple and fair

Not an argument
Not showing evidence still
Not an argument

>ignoring GNOME
>Making threats about GNOME daily
Sure lad.

>Not an argument
start giving some true argument then, just saying it's the default and the better aren't argument

>Not an argument
Is this the new NOTABUG, WONTFIX?

OP, it's enough.
I know you are trying to rally people up against Gnome, and it is working, but you can stop now.