How do you break through the HR barrier of programming/ developer job applying? I have
>bachelor
>resume of three developer jobs, each 3 years
>know both desktop and web development languages. Basically full stack at this point
I've been applying for over a month. Applied to over 30 places. Got rejected at 6 of them and haven't heard back from the rest.
try sending a photo of your dick to them. You'll get a callback, trust me.
what happened at your last job?
>Desktop and web
That's not what full stack means. It probably shows in real life that you're so retarded that even HR drones can tell.
Do I move for a QA or Testing or Support role Sup Forums?
I just want to write software and I'm used to having to do my own QA and Testing.
At this point I dropped out of all my open source projects because I can't afford anything anymore and I really need a job.
Will I forever be a codemonkey if I take those roles? The fact that these are located in the middle of nowhere is the part that makes me think I'll kill myself anyway.
apply to better companies (read: small companies and startups you believe in) without the bureaucratic bullshit
This is the way to go OP. The only position I see for startups is for Full Stack engineers so if you're worth your salt I don't see how you'll fail here.
If you’ve got that much experience, just message someone from the company on twitter and start up a conversation
why would you ever use twitter
just let that company fail like it was meant to
So you have 9 years of experience, a bachelor, and can't get through HR?
Just invest more time into polishing your cover letters/CV, you must be doing something really bad, people with that many years of experience usually get invited for at least a job interview.
>ou must be doing something really bad
Yeah. Post your resume, OP.
that is a terrible idea
I work for a small company (8 employees) and the work is ridiculous.
right now I'm working alone on a project, which may sound great on paper, but I'm in charge of EVERYTHING
guess who had to work for 14 hours when the ssl certificate failed to auto-renew because the guy that set it up did it wrong
you need to be yourself. bucko
Some people thrive off of that shit, I'd rather do that than play stupid office politics and attend diversity seminars that teach you that all men are evil. The pay may not be amazing, but if you are young and have few responsibilities outside of work, your equity stake can be worth a shitton.
Make up clubs you contributed to in uni, no fucking way HR can check this or would spend the time to do it, HR people did communications majors in uni and are incredibly fucking lazy.
Fake commit history on Github for projects making it look like you are really active.
Make some projects with insane buzzwords that make panties drop. Shit like "built a big data analytics pipeline using tensorflow, apache spark, hadoop, and opencv"
Play up some social justice shit that makes HR feel sympathetic to you. Contributed to gurlz who kode in uni. Provided pro bono web design to the intersectional student organization committee.
It is a dog eat dog world and there is no place for honesty. Good luck OP.
>your equity stake
you don't get one in 99.9999% of startups
lmao you're going to get diluted anyway unless you're already earning a sick amount in which case there isn't a problem
but yeah, some people are just "hackers" and love not having to go through hoops to implement their solutions
The sadist in me really wants someone to record their observations in sending out an idealized, but false resume against a control, but truthful resume. I just want to see how fucked society can be.
One of the things I wish that I had known before the last time I went job hunting was to understand that a job application is basically you trying to sell yourself as an employee and that an interview is essentially a sales pitch where the product being pitched is you as an employee.
A few points:
- Absolutely no waffling on the CV or cover letter. Get to the point quickly and do it well. This is where good writing skills come in handy.
- References are absolutely vital and you need to actually ask the people you use as references if you can use them as references. Also don't forget to put in their titles
- Your employer WILL google you, so make sure your social media profiles look respectable
- LinkedIn is also something they will look very closely at, so keep yours up-to-date and looking respectable
- Have a good long think about what you're going to answer to questions and practice those answers BEFORE you go in for the interview
- Also, show up a bit early for the interview, but not more than 15 minutes
at that amount of effort you'll be sure to land that line cook position user
I'm sincerely proud of you
I actually thought about building a full "diversity hire" resume and sending it out to all the top companies just to test the hypothesis that these people pass HR screens easier. It would probably be a black/latino disabled woman from a shit tier uni with a bad GPA and maybe one or two hello world projects like a tutorial ruby on rails app or something. I didn't do it because I am lazy and it is better for your own job application sanity to have faith companies don't actually do it.
I agree with this
Also, when answering interviews, resist the urge to jump at the answer immediately, even if your absolutely sure of it.
Just imagine you're on the other side and trying to hire some pajeet to be in charge of part of your codebase. You don't care if he read Cracking the Code Interview last week, you want him to have a reasonable and sober thinking process
>only 8 employees
>still as dysfunctional as any megacorporate bullshit
y'all must be retarded
Human resources are not the brightest people but they know not to trust buzzwords. Instead they look at work experience and base everything of that. Once they invited a person for a junior developer position because he had 5 years call center experience and knew HTML and Photoshop. It was an awkward situation.
I should mention the control would be modest, but still impressive enough to indicate to anyone skilled enough to evaluate such candidates that they could do the job without harming "the culture".
>and it is better for your own job application sanity to have faith companies don't actually do it
Nah I've given up on a lot of people who evaluate me. Just like some people who teach aren't good teachers, there are those who still need to develop their skills as interviewers and recruiters. It's just imbalanced that they have more control over what happens.
let's see your portfolio big boy
>looking up roles on angel
>oh whoa, I'd be a shoe in for this
>last active 5 months ago
fuck me
Apply as a transsexual.
Ezpz
>apply to better companies
>small companies and startups you believe in
Maybe you'd do better if you knew what a "shoo-in" was.
Let me add something else OP.
If you successfully make it through the HR barrier, they then expect you to find a partner and hopefully wife. Not even joking. A man with a partner is much more likely to work hard to earn the monies, and is much more exploitable by the company as a result.
Not OP. Can I just pretend to be married? I have a waifu after all.
I might go the /fit/ route and just wear a wedding ring in public.
No because then they expect you to bring your partner to events.
She's in a better place.
>attend diversity seminars
Which bigass company besides Google does stupid shit like this?
Mine doesn't.
Insert the prefix "As a woman, I" before each sentence in your covering letter. That should do the trick.
I've helped out with hiring at my company(about 1billion/year budget).
>Absolutely no waffling on the CV or cover letter. Get to the point quickly and do it well. This is where good writing skills come in handy.
Nobody even bothers reading most of the resume
>References are absolutely vital and you need to actually ask the people you use as references if you can use them as references. Also don't forget to put in their titles
Nobody ever checks these
>Your employer WILL google you, so make sure your social media profiles look respectable
We don't do this (no point)
>LinkedIn is also something they will look very closely at, so keep yours up-to-date and looking respectable
Don't look at this
>Have a good long think about what you're going to answer to questions and practice those answers BEFORE you go in for the interview
Sure
> Also, show up a bit early for the interview, but not more than 15 minutes
doesn't matter but sure
What helps is having good technical skills so you have impressive knowledge.
Fun fact: 50% of the people can't tell me that an int is 32 bits.
Is that an automatic fail at the end? Are you in embedded? Otherwise isn't that language-defined, albeit common?
More importantly, where can I apply?
Haxxx0r detected
>Is that an automatic fail at the end?
No. It looks really bad though and they probably won't do well on the rest of the interview. It's basically "impress us with your knowledge and skills."
>Are you in embedded?
No.
>Otherwise isn't that language-defined, albeit common?
Generally java.
>>Absolutely no waffling on the CV or cover letter. Get to the point quickly and do it well. This is where good writing skills come in handy.
>Nobody even bothers reading most of the resume
My company thoroughly does for final rounds.
>>References are absolutely vital and you need to actually ask the people you use as references if you can use them as references. Also don't forget to put in their titles
>Nobody ever checks these
My company does.
>>Your employer WILL google you, so make sure your social media profiles look respectable
>We don't do this (no point)
My company does.
>>LinkedIn is also something they will look very closely at, so keep yours up-to-date and looking respectable
>Don't look at this
My company does.
>> Also, show up a bit early for the interview, but not more than 15 minutes
>doesn't matter but sure
Agreed
>What helps is having good technical skills so you have impressive knowledge.
Agreed, just don't get caught if you're going to bullshit
I work at a pretty nice company, for hiring we pretty much never look at cover letters, only rarely for interns.
Most cover letters that we do get are obnoxiously long too. I'm not going to read a full page single spaced essay on why you want to work for us. There's 200+ more applicants for this single position all mediocre with similar skills, your cover letter won't do much to help.
Definitely keep it under a paragraph or two if you're going to write one.
any company with indians generally has the "cultural differences" lecture i.e. indians can be rude and retarded but calling them out for doing nothing in the work place is extremely offensive in their culture, which is sort of like a diversity seminar
Guess I should expand on this too, why not. I work for a 500m/yr company atm. Recently started interviewing people for internships + full time position since our team is small.
>- Absolutely no waffling on the CV or cover letter. Get to the point quickly and do it well. This is where good writing skills come in handy.
We rarely read cover letters, they're practically nonexistent in terms of what gets you hired. Your resume should be reasonable and reflect your skills.
>- References are absolutely vital and you need to actually ask the people you use as references if you can use them as references. Also don't forget to put in their titles
IIRC we never check up on them.
>- Your employer WILL google you, so make sure your social media profiles look respectable
We will, recruiting definitely will and has a few tools to get some creepy stats on you apparently.
>- LinkedIn is also something they will look very closely at, so keep yours up-to-date and looking respectable
Can help, and make it easier for recruiting to get a better idea if you're lying or not when you apply.
>- Have a good long think about what you're going to answer to questions and practice those answers BEFORE you go in for the interview
Not a bad idea.
>- Also, show up a bit early for the interview, but not more than 15 minutes
This doesn't matter.
What matters is you can do what you said on your resume, are skilled, are not afraid of learning new things and personable (read: not autistic and enjoyable to be around).
>How do you break through the HR barrier of programming/ developer job applying?
Not be autistic.
make a better resume
contact the recruiters directly over linkedin, or personal email if you can find it. Usually you can find their personal emails at job fairs, which you should be going to.
also, be interesting outside of work.
>50% of the people can't tell me that an int is 32 bits
spotted a retard. specify the language and then maybe you'll be redeemed.
>How do you break through the HR barrier of programming/ developer job applying? I have
Become a tranny
What's it like interviewing people, can you tell instantly which people are the typical junkies/autistic people right away? And why is a "normie" preferable anyway, most tech stuff especially programming is autistic as fuck. You sit there looking at text for hours on end to make one thing finally work.
And what kind of autistic are we talking here, autistic as in a bit awkward or autistic as in a pathological liar / total trainwreck?
It's actually super awkward for me because I get really nervous during interviews to begin with, being on the other side is even more weird since I'm the one asking the questions. I generally just go off what they've listed on their resume and ask for more information, and feel out if they have any interests in the technology, why they built it, why that way, etc.
>can you tell instantly which people are the typical junkies/autistic people right away
Our manager & recruiting team screen out people that aren't a good fit just based on resume and phone talks before they even come to us. Pretty much what our manager brings us after all of that is a pretty good pick.
>And why is a "normie" preferable anyway, most tech stuff especially programming is autistic as fuck. You sit there looking at text for hours on end to make one thing finally work.
The people I work with are good at what they do, capable of getting really in depth with what they work on, that's the nature of all of it. Even then they're still enjoyable to be around; I can get lunch with them and enjoy just talking to them or being in their company, they have hobbies and other interests besides work that makes them fun. They're well adjusted.
>You sit there looking at text for hours on end to make one thing finally work.
Huh? I get up every 30 mins or so, plus I get lunch early and leave early.
>And what kind of autistic are we talking here, autistic as in a bit awkward or autistic as in a pathological liar / total trainwreck?
Anal about everything, bit of an asshole, annoying to be around, etc.
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What's HR?
Human Resources.
>tfw only got my job because my relative is friends with the manager.
It's who you know guys not what you know.
dunno mate, I got interviews at every place, not sure what you've been doing.
a programmer is also a code monkey, so whatever.
QA includes code/script writing sometimes, we also had programmers including myself who wrote the framework/bigger tools.
Testing is just monkey job that pays like shit.
Support is also the same, trash tier.
This, maybe this will result in an instant hire with big companies.
The team in the company that has no technical skills, yet they do the hire. Go figure.
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Start identifying as a black and you'll get hired under some diversity quota
>creepy stats
Details pls
>social media profiles
>LinkedIn
What if you have neither of these? Does that mean you're unemployable?
i haven't heard anyone having diversity lectures in eastern europe, at least. hr tries to employ indians but they simply can't keep up with us. that closest to diversity we have ever been.
Does this even work or just a meme?
>Start identifying as a black
How?
Maybe you're just not good at your job.
You'd get accused of cultural appropriation, so no it doesn't work.
As a trans-racialist, I (etc and so on)