>happy with my income
>companies will offer me 20-30% raises elsewhere
>none of them accept my counter-suggestion of the same salary to work 4 days a week instead of 5 days a week
Why do people love to work so much? I don't even mind what I do, I just would rather have another day to focus on some other shit I like but won't pay me.
>>Why do people love to work so much?
I had one job where half the team I was on worked a lot of hours to escape shitty home lives. I've also met a lot of people who really have no hobbies or interests and have nothing to define themselves by except their job and/or how much they earn.
anyway its doomed to be so. Since such people exist, employers select for them, because they give you more output per dollar spent employing them. As a result everyone else has to work more than they would otherwise do to stay competitive.
I bet theres also an element of managers not wanting to encourage anything that might lead to undermining their expectations that everyone should be available more or less constantly.
Yeah I guess the constant availability makes more sense. One or two days a week I do literally no work and I am pretty productive overall, in part because I conserve energy I think.
Perhaps I will refocus my efforts into finding a remote job. Then I can be available but won't have to actively pretend to be doing work-related things during hours when I am not doing any work.
I've seen people successfully ask for a couple days of the week being remote rather than asking for the entire day off.
This was one of the major realizations in labor after the economy recovered. Work load went back to pre-2008 levels in 2011 and businesses realized that 1 employee could do the work of 3. This is why the job market is still somewhat bad but businesses are doing good, they cut out a lot of the fluff. 40 year old Janet the spinster rather work 80 hour weeks because she has nothing to do when she goes home.
I am definitely more productive on remote days. Both in life (can work on my art, do my laundry, etc.) and in my actual work (because I can choose what I'm doing). Current company only lets us work remotely if we have a "reason" but reasons are easy to come by (dentist appointment, home renovations, etc.).
I seriously doubt that they're any more productive at 80 hours. I see other people slacking off as well, they're probably exhausted being there all the time. At all my jobs there have been people across the spectrum from like 35-65 hours per week and there's no real correlation in length and quantity/quality of work.
Yeah a lot of fat got trimmed in the recession, but it also operates generally. I remember reading about how a lot of people were predicting right after WWII that the wonderful atomic future would bring us a world of two-day work weeks, automation picking up the rest. Never happened, because one, the extra labor capacity got used to increase output instead of decreasing working hours, and two because there's always some ambitious go-getter who'd be willing to work long hours regardless, and he's the standard everyone else gets judged by. It's like being in a class where there's a few guys who always get an A+ and prevent anything from getting curved.
Then again the extra output isn't all bad. I remember my mom talking about how she had to sew a lot of her own clothes as a kid (early 60s), because you couldn't just go and buy a shirt for the then-equivalent of ten bucks.
Here it doesn't matter, you can wfh more or less as much as you want. If I wanted to do I could work something out with my manager to work 4 day weeks but I honestly don't get much out that. I'd like a 3 day weekend, but I wouldn't actually get much more done with an additional 2 hours a day. By 4pm I'm ready to go home and at 4:30 I'm more or less packing up and at 4:35pm I'm home.
I don't want to work longer hours on the other four days. I want fewer hours for less money.
Then wfh a couple days and just do less work, not that hard.
Yeah that's what I'm gonna end up doing, just wish I could be upfront about the whole thing.
Not sure how it is where you are, but here no one cares really as long as you do work and are available now and then.
If you mean working 32 hours a week instead of 40 hours a week (going by hypothetical stereotype of 9-to-5 shifts) the catch on the company's side is that you might be 80% of effort for 80% of expenses which is fair and proportional, but you're still 100% of paperwork.
If you mean that as working 10 hours a day for 4 days a week instead of 8 hours for 5 days, that should be acceptable. But at the same time the moment you say "oh, I would settle for less than you're offering", you're dead to them - it's indication you lack confidence in your own abilities.
Current company's a bit bitchy about it.
I'm salaried so my hours aren't tracked. I work roughly 10-5:30 five days a week, definitely wouldn't want the expectation of 10 hour days. The whole point is that if people will pay me more to work the same hours, they should be able to pay me less to work fewer hours. Sometimes recruiters and even engineering teams are amenable to my four day suggestion but usually leads and/or HR shut it down.
The reality is given how frequently people are blocked in software companies, my output from a 4 day work-week would probably be like 95% of my 5 day work-week output. I'd even be happy to have my extra day-off be in the middle of the week, I don't care one way or the other about weekends.
I would take a 10k-15k pay cut if it meant that i would only work 4 days a week. I would even work 5 days a week if it meant i could leave an hour earlier. Once i have more experience under my belt I will try to find a company that has flexible work hours or i can work from home. although realistically i would just work slightly harder during the week and not do anything when i'm at home. or I write code in advanced and only publish it when i'm working from home.
>I write code in advanced and only publish it when i'm working from home.
I always do this so people don't think I'm slacking off at home. Even though my slacking is evenly distributed between work and home.
Kek
>mfw electrical test engineer
>mfw job requires me to fix production issues, customer issues, and get my new projects done
>mfw wouldn't mind retiring already
too bad i gotta pay for things though. I like working on my house and being productive for me. five years into working full time and it sucks.
I'm waiting for the post-scarcity star trek economy. It's coming I know it!
>I work roughly 10-5:30 five days a week
35 fucking billable hours and you want to work less? There are people in my office working 7:00-19:00 everyday who make me feel like shit for working 9:30-20:00 everyday.
That's shitty. I work maybe max 35 hours, usually ~30. Get in at 9:30, eat lunch at 11:30, come back sometime later and leave at like 4:30 or so.
Work culture is so retarded.
I work remotely: 9-hours, two days on and then one day off. This means I work more hours per week (42 hours averaged) and never get burned out, so I'm more productive.
The structure of the working week boggles my mind. All businesses are strapped into the same time system (the 7-day week) which is completely arbitrary and only exists for historical reasons.
It's because the people working are stuck in a 7 day week. They have kids and partners that are stuck in a 7 day week and they can't change because of that even if the companies offered that possibility.
I do agree that work culture in general is retarded. Especially how many places still insist on certain dress codes, not allowing remote work, or alternative schedules. I got my first job in an awesome company and while I've interviewed elsewhere and been offered more money I haven't changed because no one else has offered flexible hours, no dress codes, a choice to work either remotely or come to office based on my mood on a schedule that fits me.
4 days?
You lazy motherfucker i know at least 50+ womans that work 6 days of the fricking week
Jesus christ
All signs pointed to a fifteen hour work week last century. Instead what happened was the invention of meaningless labour. Because when a labourer has free time, he typically invents things, engages with his peers, engages with politics, etc, progress is made in technology and in society outside of the control of established bases. Forcing otherwise useful brains to fill out a dozen new "efficient" eforms, then copying the printed document onto a permanent physical form, occupies them. It keeps them from seeking work elsewhere. It stops them from improving their lives. It empowers the status quo by making the working class tired and apathetic, and it dis-empowers the working class by assaulting their ability to stay engaged with any given topic.
The forty hour work week is a tool to control your brain. You don't need to work that much. 75% of my day is wasted unless I stretch my work out across the whole day. If I was salaried, I'd show up at 9 a.m. and be out by noon, and all of the work would be done. Instead I have to slow cook my brain cells and make three hours work last for NINE.
bcos we have nothing else to do since we dont have a life
>If I was salaried, I'd show up at 9 a.m. and be out by noon, and all of the work would be done.
It's nice to dream. I'm salaried and part of my contract is that I work 42-44 hours a week. We're actually expected to work more based on the work load though. Of course, we get bonuses, but nothing is guaranteed. I'm afraid of quitting because I imagine all companies in my field are going to be like this.
Rights. Its not like companies and orgs function as a collaberative team or anything with important communication channels and workflows. You're incompatible with most workplaces by not being there if they need you. The rest of the team is there, you're at home watching anime.
Right. People should give less of a shit about their careers and putting their productive skills to use and use time to learn more about video-games and television shows.
>People should give less of a shit about their careers
they unironically should. The only reason we bother with the stupid shit is to earn money to let us do what we actually want to do. The job (or whole career) isn't an end, its a means.
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Slave cucks . You could enjoy life instead of wasting time at work
t. living at home with mommy
I got this meme job at the garbage dump and i only work basically 2 - 3 days a week and make like $500 AUD a week.
Just started uni
1 day at normal time
then 1 day on the weekend at double time
I want to do something else with my life I've been here for fucking 10 years almost now but I just couldn't imagine doing a 5 day a week job every week
FDR.