>mutt alternatives? Alpine? Yes, there is a mail client called Alpine, I prefer Mutt tho
Brody Martinez
To get some more closure out of then, as far as Wangblows is concerned, Netrunner is the top choice and Pale Moon the least worst bloat choice, is that it?
>Netrunner's main dev is Odilitime Oh shit son, I keep seeing his name, he did that nice Futabilly software, didn't he? Mad props.
Many thanks, user. I'll update in the next thread.
Liam Garcia
Why is this cat-v tier meme being pushed here? >MUH MINIMALISM >uses X11/Wayland The "Minimalistic" window managers/DEs are only minimalistic in appearance, not by function. How about never use X11 and use the console. Or at least fucking install Plan 9. >MUH GAYLANG The main selling point of Go was the concurrency model—it literally has no other redeeming features, and is lacking in a lot of aspects. Go is for people who just finished college and want to write a TCP proxy in the most annoying way possible. Also have fun with those large binaries. C will always be better than Go and all languages.
This thread is absolute horseshit. I shit myself laughing when I saw HURD in the pastebin and saw it called 'minimal'. To sum up this thread, snowflake undergrads who want to be 'out there' by staying 'minimal' when they don't even know what that actually means.
Cameron Bell
Ok. Now go back to
Christian Thompson
>im angry and have no arguments please go back to this thread The absolute state of minimalfags.
Bentley Sullivan
found the employed guy.
Thanks dude, always nice to see competent posters in here. Hella rare too. It's nice to read it as a parody and even partecipate, spreading memes like 'gcc is bloat', 'install crux' and so on. Don't take it seriously.
Henry Smith
Dude, i don't give a shit about what your think about this thread. I use Windows on daily, not Loonix.
Loonix is just for shitpost and fun, and yes, i like Crux.
John Parker
which sums up the average /mg/ user, in a pretty good way.
Levi Edwards
the point is to discuss better alternatives to software, not to jerk off over ram usage and package count
and yes, go sucks
>I use Windows on daily why
Brayden Watson
Okay /mg/, challenge time.
You are being forced at gunpoint to use Windows 10 on a daily basis, and to minimalize the fuck out of it. Assuming you're given Win10 LTSB as a starting point, what do you do?
>tfw too retarded to be minimal >tfw too retarded to get sound working without pulse audio >tfw too retarded to get display manager working without systemd
>go into system files >start deleting everything that is not system-crucial >its just system 32 >looks like wondows XP >runs fast >not shit.
Hudson Murphy
I just jumped from Windows directly into Void Linux. Yes, my first distro, I have the ability to read, and fuck you if you started on Ubuntu. It lacks things that I need and I hate compiling from source as they won't be updated on the latest version. I know I can create a script that will update whenever a git has changed since my last update but I just want something simplier and centralized.
I have come into a conclusion into just installing Artix Linux. Should I stay or you have better distros to offer?
Luis Diaz
Install Crux.
Brody Russell
the best choice for browsing the web are scripts/programs that download and extract all the important parts you want and display it without all the bloat.
Holy shit if true, good for you. Maybe try something else, yeah, CRUX and Source Mage are populer (I use both), but check if they have the packages you want. SMGL has more packages than CRUX.
Is anyone with some experience with JFS? I read is shipped in Slackware.
Jack Russell
looks like source mage doesnt have use flags so whats the point?
Tyler Jenkins
nevermind im retarded
Benjamin Thomas
how can i view pdf files in the terminal?
Bentley Davis
Checked, currently checking both right now. I dont know but why isn't Arch mentioned here as "minimal". Is it because of systemdee?
Adam Allen
Question: do minimal browsers just not run youtube correctly? I don't get it. Firefox doesn't wanna work with alsa so I can play videos but no sound. I've tried a few other browsers (surf, luakit, even Epiphany) and I get sound but the video freezes and sticks after a few seconds. Am I missing something here? I'm on Void btw.
Hunter Campbell
KISS =/= minimal arch hasnt been minimal for years
Elijah Ortiz
I'll test the USE flags in SMGL tomorrow, will post progress.
David Russell
musl for desktop use needs to be tested more; some of the shit i use (mostly emulation stuff like qemu and dolphin-emu) segfaults out of the blue occasionally
i might unironically do this type of shit when i get Microsoft Imagine access from school
it's a shame the web has always been shit >10 years ago: marquees, animated GIFs, and flash popups >now: animated CSS, muh RESTful meme, and JS popups
>fuck you if you started on Ubuntu. rude
Gabriel Brown
mailx
Nicholas Adams
>as far as Wangblows is concerned >Netrunner is the top choice But it isn't even a beta.
>Pale Moon the least worst bloat choice Yes.
I think, some info about web browsers in the Bloatware wiki would be useful, like: Firefox -> Pale Moon -> Uzbl -> NetSurf -> Dillo
minimalism is a great concept. but please ... don't start with compiling from scratch. it is stupid to start with this kind of shit.
take the submarin approach: the make the loudest noise disappear and then there is a new loudest noise, which they make disappear...
what i mean is: start with your biggest bloat and create an alternative. here comes the funny thing...
often the biggest bloat is the browser. chromium based browsers and post57-gecko based browsers will suck life out of your ram. there is nothing you can do without killing everything in the modern web aka umatrix > allow first party only
why save 200mb from your OS when your browser uses 4gigs?
i punch sjws in the face, stops me from comitting sexism thought crimes
true
lol
im sorry for your mom who wasted 9 months being pregnant with you and probably 18 years of parenthood. lets just say here life is still ruined, because you probably still live by her.
nice
you are retarded
this men has spoken the truth and nothing else
are you mentally challenged? you need to download only the html and then everything that you need. for pages that you visit on a daily basis make it a script that does this.
minimal browsers dont work per se. the html5 spec is ~1200 pages long.
true
it segfaults because it is hacked together. sorry but minimalism with libraries that are written like this dont work and this shit should not matter if you want minimalism.
it is a question of... 500kb for hello world but with a work lib or 5k for hello world, but not working.
the real minimalism is reducing shit, not recompiling with worth libraries to save disk space.
Mason Phillips
or to double down on my question in case it's not available, how would I go about enabling OpenGL 2.0 on my GMA 3500 without it? I read somewhere that it was just a GUI for something else.
Christian Martinez
Stop quoting so many people at once.
Bentley Bell
Better than shitting out a million replies.
Brayden Miller
Not every post needs responded to. Stop quoting so many people at once.
Evan Powell
Not him but maybe only reply to things you have something to say about instead of everything.
Dominic Smith
Hope you realize I'm not him; arguing is bloat.
Jacob Lee
>but please ... don't start with compiling from scratch. it is stupid to start with this kind of shit. i've started with ubuntu eight years ago, then went to debian, then arch, and now alpine. i've had issues with each of them which have caused me to move to the next, so i figure with LFS i can make a distro that doesn't have anything that i perceive as a flaw.
but yes, you're right, people shouldn't start out with LFS until they've tried a few distros. it's likely that not everyone is as anal as me and they can find something they enjoy
>it segfaults because it is hacked together. sorry but minimalism with libraries that are written like this dont work and this shit should not matter if you want minimalism. this is the common chicken-egg argument i see against musl. most people develop against glibc and don't bother testing other POSIXy libcs, so this is why bugs are introduced into software. people use the GNU extensions to shit and don't realise that it isn't the standard.
i've moved away from glibc not because of minimalism, but because glibc actually broke unicode rendering in my terminal, because glibc's codebase is abysmal, and because you can't statically link against it.
Austin Wood
Just installed Gentoo for the first time. Should I try Wayland or stick with xorg?
Gabriel Morales
stick with xorg 'til the wayland wave washes over every distro
Adrian Johnson
Neither, use kdrive.
Jackson Parker
>posting an image that contains only text in some retarded form over function font not minimalism
Angel Gomez
use xdiskusage a bloat free program to remove bloat
>using a gui program for this >using a curses program for this not minimalism
Jeremiah Cox
% du -h /usr/bin/xdiskusage 44K /usr/bin/xdiskusage % du -h /bin/du 116K /bin/du
Aaron Sanchez
% du -h $(which ncdu) 72K /usr/bin/ncdu
Jaxon Cooper
>GNU du
Gavin Brown
fuck you. and yes it is better to do it like this.
lol
it is kinda chicken-egg, i agree. but at the same time this is not really bloat in my opinion. if software is developed in a certain way than that software is bad in that sense.
also your terminal has problems rendering unicode with glibc? this is minimalism against minimalism. this is a bug, nothing else.
im laughing my ass off. well done guys.
Ethan Walker
actual diagnosed autismos seek minimalism because they can't handle excess stimulation
Ryder Nguyen
How do you visualisze the file-system without either of those tools? In a minimalistic way.
I'm going to try doing a fresh install tomorrow with LTSB on my old laptop, see how much crap I can uninstall, delete, or disable in it before the system becomes dysfunctional. Then I'll try putting together a minimalist suite of programs for it and see how basic I can go.
>also your terminal has problems rendering unicode with glibc? this is minimalism against minimalism. this is a bug, nothing else. most of my software choices are motivated toward usability and bloat minimalism, not resource minimalism
Ethan Thompson
btw i think they fixed it in later glib versions, but i'm not switching back to glib distros
Owen Long
Musl, uClibc, and diet libc, are they really alternatives or they break stuff? Also which one is the most minimal and which one break stuff the less?
Jonathan Powell
i know fuck all about any of them but from what ive heard musl is your best option as a real alternative
>Software minimalist standards - Using a TUI when necessary - Only using a window manager - Using the terminal as a file manager - Package count must be under 900 (unless you use production software such as gimp or kdenlive etc etc, it's okay)
Acceptable GNU/Linux distributions that aren't bloat
>Wayland isolates the input and output of every window, achieving confidentiality, integrity and availability in both cases; the original X design lacks these important security features, although some extensions have been developed trying to mitigate it. Also, with the vast majority of the code running in the client, less code needs to run with root privileges, improving security.
