>no botnet
>is as riceable as linux
>can be de-bloated, so both RAM and HDD usage will drop to linux levels
>can even run your shitty games and """professional"" software (who the fuck are you kidding), win10fags
>can be installed by a literal toddler
>Linux can't even compete in terms of software
do you people have 1 (one) argument on why Win7 isn't the greatest fucking OS in the world?
>Windows 7
>no Botnet
>no botnet
Show me the source code then
>2018
>windows 7
>can be de-bloated, so both RAM and HDD usage will drop to linux levels
HAHAHA keep telling yourself that retard.
It still sends the installation ID to microsoft servers regularly and other personally identifiable information by the way.
It's old and for fogeys
>no botnet
less botnet
>Shitty scaling
>Have to update for hours
>Slow boot times
>Can't show/hide files/extensions without dragging your ass through preferences panels
>Shitty task manager
It's true, if you had even a small knowledge of how security and privacy works and you weren't blindly following Sup Forums baboons you'd know
go ahead and get win7 off piratebay, install and activate it, then open a packet sniffer and see if the OS is sending/receiving packets
hint, it's fucking 0 packets, the only packets you'll see are your browser/whatever internet-using-software you use.
OS can't fucking spy on you if it can't even use networking.
retards
>Shitty scaling
Stop using meme monitors
>Have to update for hours
WSUS updater
>Slow boot times
Use an SSD
>Can't show/hide files/extensions without dragging your ass through preferences panels
Why would you ever need to hide them?
>Shitty task manager
autism, plus there's a million alternatives if you don't like it
You literally have no idea how bot nets spread and populate do you?
Don't use Windows - It's a privacy nightmare
Data syncing is by default enabled.
Browsing history and open websites.
Apps settings.
WiFi hotspot names and passwords.
Your device is by default tagged with a unique advertising ID.
Used to serve you with personalized advertisements by third-party advertisers and ad networks.
Cortana can collect any of your data.
Your keystrokes, searches and mic input.
Calendar data.
Music you listen to.
Credit Card information.
Purchases.
Microsoft can collect any personal data.
Your identity.
Passwords.
Demographics.
Interests and habits.
Usage data.
Contacts and relationships.
Location data.
Content like emails, instant messages, caller list, audio and video recordings.
Your data can be shared.
When downloading Windows, you are authorizing Microsoft to share any of above mentioned data with any third-party, with or without your consent.
>>Have to update for hours
>>Slow boot times
This is Laughably false.
A) there's no reason to update anything other than security fixes
B) shit there's no reason to update anything at all if you're not a total fucking retard and use a good, secure browser
C) Boot time is fine and only slows down if you're an old boomer who installed 5000 malwares on his PC.
The rest are subjective. also use procexp, retard.
>>can be de-bloated, so both RAM and HDD usage will drop to linux levels
Yes it is in fact, disable all useless services/processes then use debloatify and see the difference
You are so fucking retarded spare yourself further embarrassment.
This is for windows 10, not win7.
and shit you need a legitimate copy of Win10 for that shit to happen
Like i said, an OS can't spy on you if it's never even using the internet in the first place
but nice pasta, faggot.
>no botnet
kewl af shit mate!!@!, but prove that Microsoft isn't using our information in any ways that we wouldn't want it to be used. Have you even read their privacy statement (which is extremely short anyway), and their ToS?
>as riceable as linux
You overestimate bbLean.
>can be de-bloated, so both RAM and HDD usage will drop to linux levels
It's honestly so fucking sad that an operating system needs to be DEBLOATED after installation, for reasonable RAM and HDD usage. You say it can be debloated like it's a good thing, when it's honestly just pathetic that it's not the initial state.
>can even run your shitty games and """professional"" software (who the fuck are you kidding), win10fags
No-one in their right mind is arguing against this, you're fighting a statement that we aren't making. C-congrats?
>Linux can't even compete in terms of software
lol
Overall, the only conclusion I've come to, thanks to this thread, is that OP is easily pleased when it comes to his computer (guess he only uses it for a max of, say, 3 per day if user experience means nothing to him, which is rather sad), and that he hasn't spent longer than a fortnight on a Linux distribution before realizing that he doesn't know how to manage user permissions and the package manager.
What a sad state Sup Forums has descended to.
3 hours* per day, even.
it doesnt work with my CPU
>no botnet
>do you people have 1 (one) argument on why Win7 isn't the greatest fucking OS in the world?
It's ugly, and the methods to make it not ugly are poor.
>no botnet
Depends on if you updated
>riceable as linux
Haha no, you are masking over things not changing things
>can even run your shitty games and """professional"" software (who the fuck are you kidding), win10fags
Well no shit having a specific software you have to use is the only legitimate reason to use windows
>can be installed by a literal toddler
So can any distro of linux with a graphical installer
>Linux can't even compete in terms of software
Valid complaint to some degree. But does everything I need it to still. I'm not a graphic designer so gimp works fine for what I need. The few games I play can be run pretty easily on linux too, so I have literally no reason to use anything windows.
>but prove that Microsoft isn't using our information in any ways that we wouldn't want it to be used
read the fucking thread you mouthbreather, the OS can't even spy on you because it's not using any internet whatsoever.
>You overestimate bbLean.
yeah bbLean and the millions of other patches there.
>It's honestly so fucking sad that an operating system needs to be DEBLOATED after installation, for reasonable RAM and HDD usage. You say it can be debloated like it's a good thing, when it's honestly just pathetic that it's not the initial state.
Linuxfaggot NOW talking shit about having to decently setup your OS after installing?
"debloating" is literally going around in msconfing for a couple of mins and unchecking useless programs and services, then you run a piece of software to limit the HDD usage for windows, it's easy as piss
and i'd take that every single time than having to install fucking nano in the commandline, browse to some retarded hidden folder and modify it just so i can get extra packages for Alpine
>he hasn't spent longer than a fortnight on a Linux
That's where you're wrong i distrohopped the fuck out of every linux distro, EVER.
Alpine,Void,ubuntu,Kubuntu,debian,devuan,arch,PClinuxOS,mint
and a ton more obscure ones like Headslinux
and guess what were the problems? it was either:
A) nowhere as minimalistic as they all advertise themselves to be
B) heavily lacking in documentation
C) doesn't support my graphics card despite that drivers for linux exist
D) all of the fucking above.
oh that brings me, here's another thing i forgot to mention, OS SHOULD SUPPORT ALL YOUR SHITTY GPUs.
read the thread, retard.
windows 7 is the most logical, compatible, and least bloated of current windows OSes
it is not a perfect OS
if you HAVE TO use windows 7 is just better and less cucked than 8 and 10
I don't care. The positives outweigh the privacy concerns. Everything I jack off to is legal, I pirate things non-retardedly, and I am not concerned with some dystopian future where the gestapo knock down my door with a copy of my 10 year old shitposts in hand.
those "privacy concerns" aren't even real.
This, and if you use a linux distro then you're cucked out of usable software.
>Don't buy high res monitor, it doesnt work with shitty obsolete OS
>buy SSD to make up for shitty OS design
>Download extra 3rd party software to supplement shitty taskman features for shittiily implemented outdated OS with no new features coming ever
ok guy great arguments
>Doesn't know how to use computers
>no usable software
sounds like a user problem not a linux problem
>uses inferior applications so he can circlejerk on Sup Forums
>the OS can't even spy on you because it's not using any internet whatsoever.
>collect your information all day, every day
>upload it all to Microsoft when your computer (or any Microsoft item of software, since most Win 7 users would likely avoid updates like the plauge), disguising it
You come across as the naive type that would follow the wise train of thought that "I don't need an anti-virus because common sense prevails" and hence only uses the default Windows Defender or whatever shit 7 has, but then you end up getting your computer loaded with them thinking "its fine because Resource Monitor says it is".
It's too late for you, user, just sell your computer and pick up a hobby & profession that doesn't require one.
Not really true. You just have access to different software. The range of software relating to fields of scientific study is the best on Linux. But if you are a professional photographer or video editor the options are lacking.
I run Windows 7 on my main desktop because it provides the highest level of performance for my hardware. I run Xubuntu on my laptop because it's an old laptop and there is no special hardware in it that needs proprietary drivers to get the best performance.
I have tried to run Xubuntu on my emulation rig as well, but I'm just about ready to give that up. The truth is Linux is far behind Windows when it comes to quality of video game emulation software. There are too many old Japanese computers I want to play around with through emulation and the options in Linux simply don't exist sometimes.
>shitty skype on linux is worse than shitty skype on windows
suuuuure
>skype is his go-to
Imagine being this fucking out-of-touch
>oh no those l33t microshaft hackers are stealing my data and it's not even appearing on a packet sniffer!?
this is impossible retard, lrn2computers.
ok slack then, wtf do you want it's all literally the same shit between OSes
>i get all my computer knowledge from a hollywood movie about hacking:the post
>oh no those l33t microshaft hackers are stealing my data and it's not even appearing on a packet sniffer!?
>this is impossible retard, lrn2computers.
I'm sure you'll post the results of Wireshark's packet sniffer. And sure, Microsoft doesn't data mine anyone, it's just that they admitted it.
forbes.com
>Everything I jack off to is legal
You're a good law abiding citizen.
>still doesn't understand that data doesn't need to be uploaded the same moment it's collected
aha oh yes!!1 they (the recording and the uploading) must olways be hapening at the same time oer else it cant possbilby be steeling my datas!
How's first year in your IT course treating you?
...
No freedumbs
>win10
what OS are we discussing here, retard? hint: it's 7.
>I'm sure you'll post the results of Wireshark's packet sniffer. And sure, Microsoft doesn't data mine anyone, it's just that they admitted it.
Coming right the fuck up.
either computer illiterate or underage
>either computer illiterate or underage
Let's hear it, then.
>what OS are we discussing here, retard? hint: it's 7.
It's a lesser evil. Stop pretending we don't already know that.
>>no botnet
Your Intel CPU have one though.
>>is as riceable as linux
As is Windows 10. UXtheme.dll is still there.
>>can be de-bloated, so both RAM and HDD usage will drop to linux levels
Same with Windows 10.
>>can be installed by a literal toddler
Try making them install/deploy WES 7 with ICE.
>>Linux can't even compete in terms of software
Windows 10 can run both WIndows and Linux applications with the WSL.
>Everything I jack off to is legal
Doesn't make it correct.
>I pirate things non-retardedly
Doesn't make it legal.
Get off your high horse
Here's wireshark running for a minute and 15 seconds on my computer
i opened folders, closed folders, closed waterfox, reopened it, created text files and written them saved them, etc etc.
only thing going around is my router doing router shit.
learn how computers work you fucking disgrace, it's impossible for an OS to send data if it's not using the internet to do it, it's not voodoo hacker magic retard.
>Your Intel CPU have one though.
This isn't about the OS, your opinion is discarded, but i am running a pentium E5800, completely M.E/vpro/AMT free.
>unironically arguing for win10
i can make you cry.
Different user, but since when have we given a fuck if something is legal or not?
Reminder that jay walking is often illegal.
>t's impossible for an OS to send data if it's not using the internet to do it,
Did you read any of the posts you're responding to? It can collect it over time, then send it all at once in a set interval. Once a month. Once a year. Every time you update something. You think running wireshark for a few hours and something coming up clean, means that it's not still watching, but waiting to upload it later?
Dear mother of fuck.
Everyone gives a fuck now days because they are cowards and afraid of the police.
>i can make you cry.
Please, continue. We're listening.
>Stop using meme monitors
Yeah, why ever progress at all? Why would you ever need more than 84PPI, right?
>WSUS updater
Oh no, that process doesn't take hours at all, right.
>Use an SSD
Already do
>Why would you ever need to hide them
Maybe you don't like clutter, maybe you don't like those system folders popping out from fucking nowhere, there's many reasons.
>there's a million alternatives if you don't like it
See, that's the argument for the shitty fisher price menu on 8.1, and then everyone goes "OH BUT YOU NEED TO DOWNLOAD A THIRD PARTY TOOL". Also there's not that many.
Oh I forgot these
>Snapping windows to the side of the screen closest to a secondary monitor doesn't work unless you use the keyboard shortcut
>You need drivers for 3 year old motherboards
>Here's wireshark running for a minute and 15 seconds on my computer
I don't think that's nearly enough time for anyone to call the results a confirmation. Take this into consideration (not my post):
Also, pic related. I'm for the lesser evil, but not much can be confirmed in a minute.
Windows 10 sends data instantly, so why wouldn't win7 do the same, if it did spy on me?
we're hitting levels of tinfoil that should not be possible
if win7 would periodically send data somebody would notice.
Also there is absolutely no way for them to spy on you if you use SP1 no updates.
>Windows 10 sends data instantly, so why wouldn't win7 do the same, if it did spy on me?
Did you see the picture I've attached? The assumption of any random user defeating a global data mining program just by randomly not seeing anything unusual in packet sniffer programs is highly unlikely.
Windows 7 does send data, it's just that on Windows 10 you need EDU / Enterprise or the LGBT edition to disable shit like Cortana and set telemetry to a similar level
>>Shitty scaling
The situation isn't that much better on Windows 10.
So that you wouldn't detect it? They admitted publicly that W10 collects it. They have no reason to hide (the bulk) of it there. They know that some people have valid criticisms against W10 - and if they made it obvious that W7 was also a botnet, they'd simply lose their customers to a superior OS.
W7 being there to serve as a false sense of security isn't exactly new, ground-breaking, just-discovered news.
How disable minix on Intel CPU?
Fuck off Tanenbaum
>if win7 would periodically send data somebody would notice.
Windows 7 has telemetry, same as Windows 10 nigger
so much tard in this thread desu
>no botnet
not even gonna start
>believing the privacy statement and ToS
shiggydiggy
>Everything I jack off to is legal
for now
>I pirate things non-retardedly
doesnt mean the jews wont want their shekels, goyim
> I am not concerned with some dystopian future where the gestapo knock down my door with a copy of my 10 year old shitposts in hand
This is why youll be among the first to be purged.
>we're hitting levels of tinfoil that should not be possible
if history has taught us one thing, is that we cannot have enough tinfoil
>all he can give that user is a le brainletwojak.png
You can't really argue for shit people, right now, i see nothing unusual, because i watched wireshark a million times run on my PC, and most of those times the scan's duration was more than an hour, thus the burden of proof lies on you to prove that it spies on me.
like i said, the burden of proof lies on you, i see nothing suspicious on my win7.
>>can be installed by a literal toddler
Bullshit, a toddler doesn't know how to slipstream usb 3.0 and nvme ssd drivers into the iso, and install the rest of the drivers
>not even gonna start
please i'm all ears
>thus the burden of proof lies on you to prove that it spies on me.
Can't you just accept Windows 7 is a lesser evil?
>You can't really argue for shit people
>The assumption of any random user defeating a global data mining program just by randomly not seeing anything unusual in packet sniffer programs is highly unlikely.
This sounds reasonable. But don't worry, you have personally been absolved from a global project such as PRISM.
having read throgh this thread, i dont have the arseitude to dig up as much supporting evidence as anyone else has, but with the number of times the "tinfoil hat" people have been right throughout history, i tend to side with them.
the only thing that doesnt have a botnet nowadays is a home made ALU.
line your house in tinfoil
buy gold buy
You hooked him on good, I'll give you that.
who knows, might get an angry (You) out of it.
>can't you just accept my claim despite that i never proved it?
do you even computers
as every single knowledgeable person said ITT
a software cannot spy on you without alerting a packet sniffer.
sure, some people may argue that it does it "intervally" but that's a biiiiig fucking stretch because
A) it's never proven
B) Win10/8 spy real time, so why would win7 be any different?
It's a limited botnet, it's not as riceable as Linux, it's not as de-bloatable as Linux.
And the competition in terms of software is more than doubtful. You might want that one video game, another person might want solid software RAID for some insurance against those always failing drives...
>can be installed by a literal toddler
The Windows installer is actually retarded and blocks the installation on a lot of devices where it thinks it won't be able to boot from, even if it will be. And things like that.
>can't you just accept my claim despite that i never proved it?
And a whole one minute of Wireshark packet sniffing proves you and you personally have been absolved from the PRISM project? Come on. Just accept it's a lesser evil and recommend it to anyone has to use Windows. Done.
>It's a limited botnet, it's not as riceable as Linux, it's not as de-bloatable as Linux.
factually proven otherwise ITT
>And a whole couple of hours* of Wireshark packet sniffing
FTFY
like i said this isn't my first time using wireshark, i've done it before for extended amounts of time
and now i see nothing suspicious, so stop committing logical fallacies and prove your claims.
do you even conspire?
sure with the tools available to us, we cant detect any uploads from microsoft, but how many times have the powers that be lied to us?
>inb4 tinfoil hat
seriously now.
drugs in inner cities, institutionalised catholic pedophillia, the vietnam war.
Maybe its different for me. 30 years ago in my country every phone was bugged, everyones movements were tracked (by eye, old school style), my parents went to school with millitary personal standing at every corner.
I find it implausable to not concider the fact that microsoft might be lying in its privacy statement and when they talk about the level of telemetary. If the possiblity exists, even a slim one, that its true, then I deem it not worth the risk
I realise this is a very "touchy feely" type of post. But Im not trying to change your mind, just to see stuff from another perspective.
look at how many words you've written
but i see no argument in sight
>>no botnet
wrong
>>is as riceable as linux
wrong
>>can be de-bloated, so both RAM and HDD usage will drop to linux levels
wrong
>>can even run your shitty games and """professional"" software (who the fuck are you kidding), win10fags
who cares
>>can be installed by a literal toddler
who cares
>>Linux can't even compete in terms of software
useless software which I never used when I used windows?
If your dumb ass needs a toddler oriented bloatware platform then be my guest and use W7. That doesn't mean that your set of requirements is the same as my set of requirements.
>like i said this isn't my first time using wireshark, i've done it before for extended amounts of time
>and now i see nothing suspicious
And you only decided to post a screenshot of one which lasted a whole minute.
As I've said before, this is why youll be among the first to be purged.
Shame too, we'll need smart people like you come the time of the Resistance
>no botnet
Not true.
>it is riceable as linux
No. Or at least it's not as easy and convenient.
>can be installed by a literal toddler
Have you ever installed something like Manjaro or any user friendly distro out there? They're even easier to install and use than any windows.
>Linux can't even compete in terms of software
It depends on what you want to do. Web browsing, playing media, doing basic office work, programming will work 100% fine if not better than on windows. Even then the vast majority of programs will work fine on wine.
Oh sorry i don't keep my three hour long captures in case some faggot tries to argue with me on the internet
factually proven otherwise ITT
How do I fully de-botnet Windows 7? I only used a script called Ancile, is it enough?
What's there to remove?
>>Your Intel CPU have one though.
>This isn't about the OS, your opinion is discarded, but i am running a pentium E5800, completely M.E/vpro/AMT free.
Well it IS, since IME runs Minix which is undoubtedly an operating system. You not using it doesn't mean it's not there.
>Oh sorry i don't keep my three hour long captures in case some faggot tries to argue with me on the internet
You don't have to, everyone is already convinved you and you alone defeated Microsoft and the PRISM project. There's just no getting through to you.
>How do I fully de-botnet Windows 7?
get an SP1 no update ISO from thepiratebay
that's it
nice wordplay mental gymnastics retard, your shitty spyware CPU has noting to do with the fact that windows7 doesn't spy on you.
such a reddit tier reply.
>muh de-botnetting Windows 7 xD
>walk around with tracking devices in your pocket every day while happily using all of google's services
why don't you fucks just accept the fact that no one gives a shit about actually spying on you personally
>why don't you fucks just accept the fact that no one gives a shit about actually spying on you personally
Millions of dollars in the PRISM project for one scream otherwise. Remember this debacle? That's just one example.
en.wikipedia.org
>go ahead and get win7 off piratebay, install and activate it, then open a packet sniffer and see if the OS is sending/receiving packets
>
>hint, it's fucking 0 packets
When sniffing doesnt the network interface goto promicuous mode which passes the traffic through the cpu, so this doesnt prove anything. I think youd need to do a man in the middle to get actual proof.
Besides w7 isnt botnet its just shit.
>no one gives a shit about actually spying on you personally
Then why do they spend millions (billions?) of dollars to implement programs and technology to do exactly that?
Depends on which "they" you're referring to. Either it's for advertisement money, because "they" believe it's going to help them catch criminals. It could also be to improve certain services that you might use.
Look at it this way: You're one in over 7 billion. What makes you special enough to warrant their attention past passing some data through automated systems to look for certain keywords?
>trusting wireshark on a node without also doing wireshark on the exit node
>What makes you special enough to warrant their attention past passing some data through automated systems to look for certain keywords?
Yeah, this is a non-starter. This doesn't have anything to do with my ego or anyone else's. It's about the fact that this data collection shouldn't be happening in the first place, and my right to walk away from it all cleanly. A really large part of walking away involves passing on Microsoft and Google products/services. Another large part would be holding the government accountable for it's data collection habits, but I don't suspect that's going to happen anytime soon, if ever.
You're right, it is never going to happen. It's only going to get worse from here, and no amount of walking away (or attempting to) from it all is going to change that. If anything, all you're going to manage to do is 1) make life more difficult for yourself, and potentially 2) put yourself on their radar by standing out from the crowd.
Well, then those are risks I'll continue to take, fully understanding the implications. Others will, too.
Then I hope you actually go all in with this shit, unlike all the half-baked hypocrites that post on this board.
Don't hope. I went all-in years ago. To be fair, though, I was in a position to do so rather conveniently. It's the people who aren't that I'm worried about. They're the ones who need to be educated enough to make an informed decision.
>When sniffing doesnt the network interface goto promicuous mode which passes the traffic through the cpu
do you have any idea what you're talking about
What's the best OS for frog posting?