So, the Nvidia MX150 laptop GPU? it's got pretty nice scores right? well, turns out Nvidia is selling a cheap downgraded version, whats the big deal? It's called the same. MX150. Nothing distinguish it to consumers. NOTHING, only opening CPU-Z and checking Device ID will reveal it.
The "same" cheap chip has a performance loss around 22%-25%, with scores in 3Dmark 11 ranging from "min: 2796, max: 4775"
What the shit Nvidia. Why not just MX151, and be a jerk tricking people to thinking it's a new upgraded version? You know, a jerk to stupid people, you done this before. But seriously, going all the way and directly lying about the product your selling? Because that's what this fucking is!
It's called binning and everybody has done it forever, you fucking dipstick
Zachary Morales
Check it out, pic related.
What, did you not read my post? Yes i know about binning, you know what i also know? Even the fuckhead at the Intel administration give them different part numbers, so Nvidia can't say "everybody else does it" because they're literally selling lies.
What if Intel from now on only sells i5 and i5K, so that you have no fucking idea how the non overcloked version performs? ranging +/- 1Ghz, is that called binning and okay?
>different laptop models use different versions of GPUs without having a different name
This is nothing new, OP. It even happened back in the days of the 8600M GT. There were multiple versions of it, some with 256MB of vRAM, others with 512MB, some using DDR2, and others using GDDR3. They were all marketed as "8600M GT", but the performance gaps were as wide as 30%.
It's just one example of many.
Easy solution: Always look for benchmarks specific to the exact notebook you plan to buy before assuming its performance.
Oh right, i guess its all okay ethically as it has been done before. And of course the consumer has the responsibility to check that they get when they buy our product, we're allowed to misguide people into paying more for a lesser product.
You disappoint me Sup Forums.
Ian Lee
This is exactly why im holding off on getting a new ultrabook. I'll wait 2 more generations of GPUs and hopefully an improvement in eGPU technology as well
I can't wait until Apple decides to put 120hz panels on their devices and have a new buzzword like retina is for hidpi, then the market will adopt it en masse as the standard. I bet they'll call them "lightning displays"
AMD did the same thing - gimping the RX 560 and selling another variant with 896 stream processors compared to 1024 original
Caleb Perry
>And of course the consumer has the responsibility to check that they get when they buy
Pretty much. When making any big purchase, you should research it to ensure you know what you're getting.
I suppose blindly buying things and then bitching about it after-the-fact is a viable option too, but I've never trusted manufacturers or vendors to employ such a strategy.
Fake news. AMD produced cut down variants of the GPU but the board partners were the ones that sold them as if they were fully enabled and AMD told them to knock it off when it was noticed.
“It’s correct that 14 Compute Unit (896 stream processors) and 16 Compute Unit (1024 stream processor) versions of the Radeon RX 560 are available. We introduced the 14CU version this summer to provide AIBs and the market with more RX 500 series options. It’s come to our attention that on certain AIB and etail websites there’s no clear delineation between the two variants. We’re taking immediate steps to remedy this: we’re working with all AIB and channel partners to make sure the product descriptions and names clarify the CU count, so that gamers and consumers know exactly what they’re buying. We apologize for the confusion this may have caused.”
Samuel Martin
>Why not just MX151 Why not just M150?
Jose Wood
That there might be the difference between American and European mentality. and i guess i just have to get to term with it, and try to respect your fanatic independence.
I however cannot accept that, AMD at least responded that they would fix it immediately, and they did.
Read the top of this post, i believe that consumer safety and the concept of fair trade varies vastly between us.
Jonathan Perry
Stop shill you fucking video soy
Noah Roberts
Well, you was the one that took the lazy link, instead of the article. I made that consequence clear in my post.
Christopher Lopez
>buy from online retailer who makes no distinction between models >find ive just been fucked by an imaginary lottery set up by suits to fuck me over and maximize margins mind you, average joe will have no fucking idea this is going on. this is why government regulation exists. use it, bang these shitheads out.
Bentley Gray
AMD did the same shit with the 560 so fuck off
Nvidia are evils But AMD are incompetent
Liam Sanders
Devil's advocate: my colleague has an Asus with the full powered MX150 and he can't get stable framerates because the GPU keeps boosting and throttling all the time from the heat; I have the HP Envy 13 with the lower powered MX150 and my frame rates are stable and still playable.
David Phillips
>buy from online retailer who makes no distinction between models How about you read the SKU and not just the model name
Camden Miller
Because the SKU doesn't reveal the necessary information either, brainlet.
Luis Powell
Even the link you posted closes with: >"Casual gamers or heavy users looking for full performance out of the MX150 should double-check new notebooks before committing to a full purchase."
This is less about "American vs European" mentality and more about "proactive vs reactive" mentality. Simply looking at a review of a laptop before purchasing it would show such performance disparities.
I doubt regulation could help here. If put in a position where they had to defend themselves (which they won't be), NVIDIA would just say that a different clock speed does not mean that the card is a different graphics processing unit. It'll be an especially easy argument for them to make if the two versions are only separated by clock speeds and a vBIOS flash.
The exact model of panel used for the screen in a laptop isn't commonly listed by online retailers either; nor is the manufacturer/model of the RAM, HDD/SSD, or the wireless card, despite the massive difference in quality or performance these differences can lead to. Even details like read/write speeds for SSDs included in laptops aren't a given when looking at a retailer's site. The most technical they get is by listing the name and generation of the CPU.
Fortunately, all of these hidden differences can usually be remedied by searching "manufacturer model laptop review".
I sucked it up and got a Zenbook 13 with the gimped MX150 because I needed a 13 incher and there were no good Ryzen Mobile options in this form factor.
Jose Carter
that's not how it works. This is how an above average consumer thinks >oh cool, it has X component >let me look up specs / performance of this component >OK i like this. I will buy this
There is no fucking way that they should have to double check that they are being swindled in the process. You don't have to do that when looking up the CPU, SSD, WiFi card, or screen resolution >oh yeah this is a UHD display... and by UHD we mean Uber HD which is 1080p but cooler >of and the SSD is actually for Standard Storage drive..' its our entry level HDD >and don't forget the Intel core i7! And by i7 we mean that you'll get up to* an I7. All laptops randomly ship with i5 or i7 processors :^)
Dylan Rivera
Fine, but still, there should be an official announcement for something like that
Connor Foster
>You don't have to do that when looking up the CPU, SSD, WiFi card, or screen resolution
You don't have to look up information on any of these things, if you're fine with potentially getting the shittier version.
There are some 512GB NVMe drives that are easily 30% faster than others, some 802.11ac WIFI cards perform better and have better stability/support than others, and UHD screens are higher quality than others. So, a retailer can easily list something as a "UHD, 512GB NVME SSD, 802.11AC Laptop" and give you the absolute shittiest UHD screen, slowest 512GB NVMe SSD, and must unreliable 802.11AC WIFI card available. They wouldn't have lied, but some basic research would allow the consumer to know what they were getting.
That's what's happening here. An underclocked MX150 is still an MX150, an overclocked MX150 would also be an MX150. However, one could do a quick search to notice this difference in clock speeds and performance, or they could choose to buy blindly and complain later.
Marketing exists to get people to accept or buy things they might not otherwise be interested in. If people refuse to do some simple research, they're only making the marketers' jobs easier.
