>Assemble a part list pcpartpicker.com/ >Example gaming builds and _monitor_ suggestions; click on the blue title to see notes pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/ >Learn how to build a PC (You can find a lot more detailed videos on channels like Bitwit) [YouTube] how to build a pc. >RYZEN+ INCOMING! In two weeks!
If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO i5 7500/7600K or i7 7700/K. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE >NO R3 1200/1300X or R5 1400/1500X. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY THE R3 2200G AND R5 2400G >R3 2200G - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) >Core i3-8100+H310+GT 1030 - Budget Gaming (no need for fast RAM or unstable overclocking) >Core i5 8400+B360 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs (Or grab a 1600 while it lasts...) >R7 / i7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use >Wait for Zen2...
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen/+, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >Crypto-Currency miners have driven Nvidia GPU and Radeon Co-Processing Unit prices up or depleted stock 1080p >MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050 Ti, $250; 1060 3GB, $350; 1060 6GB, $430 >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices >GTX 1080 Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080 Ti Non-gaming Application >RX or Vega
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
is there any reason to buy ram that has higher cas latency? It seems the lowest is 14 for 3200mhz ram with 14-14-14-34 timings. Are they less compatible than 15 or 16 latency?
Easton Rogers
Lower is better, but you most likely won't feel it 14 vs 16.
Carter Harris
Why is it in Arabic?
Ethan Price
it's OP's native language. no one else would shill a poozen+ with 4% more performance
Ryder Taylor
When Ryzen launched people wanted to buy CL14 not just for tighter timings but because these are Samsung B-die and will suffer from less compatibility issues across the board, so yes. Should be mostly fixed by now, so don't worry about that.
Owen Parker
Been out of the loop for a while, but I need a new PSU. What are the brands to look for and the brands to avoid these days? Also, any recommendations for a 500-600W modular PSU? Ideally one that comes with some nice cables that don't looks like garbage.
Dylan Cox
Didn't they test the 2000 series ryzens on an a320 board?
Henry Smith
I'm getting bsods and hangs, will cleaning my pc help?
Ethan Sullivan
Seasonic. Look for the 620 EVO or the Focus Plus Gold 650, S12II or M12II for their cheapest
Eli Davis
yes, they also use slow ram
Alexander Fisher
Any particular reason to get the 650 over the 550?
Logan Hughes
100 (one hundred) more watts
Asher Walker
I don't need 650 watts, though. Wouldn't that kill my efficiency? I'm currently on a 540W with no issues.
Robert Hughes
matters on what you actually draw from it around 50% possible power draw is the highest efficiency
Nathan Perry
1600 is on sale on amazon right now. should i buy now and figure out the rest of the specifics later or wait for zen+? i decided to wait when gpus were on sale last year and that was a mistake.
>2133 MHz RAM for 100 bucks >Old intel processor for 115 bucks when you can just get a new 2200g that's cheaper and faster
Josiah Mitchell
If you have two screens stretch to a quad core mate. I had the same matching but 7100 and a 1060 (cheapest one) and it did ok as long as the computer was doing NOTHING else.
Brody Sanders
I've just got my 1920x1200, I'm currently on an FX 4100 with crappy board, and the intel socket will give me an upgrade path if I want to get an i5 now, also the intel HD graphics are better than my GT 610 card.
TLDR: More speed, less power usage
Jordan Turner
I'd rather get pcpartpicker.com/list/ZW9JV6 desu. You could even downgrade the APU and be closer to your price range.
>Seasonic PSU >B350 That looks pretty well made for only 85 bucks more, I'm probably gonna wait another pay period so I can that setup with 16GB for future proofing, my current rig is the OG FX from 2011, so I keep them a while
Aaron Fisher
You could save more if you start shuffling some parts. A 2200G would lower the price to $420 and if you really want to use an HDD instead of a SSD you could lower it even further. The 16GB might just put it at about the same pricerange.
Isaiah Ross
Avoid the Pro4 (freezing issues, check reviews), swap it for a GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 or a TUF B350M-PLUS or get the MX330 and the B350 PC Mate
Dylan Lopez
I'm considering the PC mate, it's not a gaymen board, very old school.
Jackson Hall
>incel integrated graphics
yikes
Parker Rodriguez
Any reccs for RGB fans? I like the look of Corsair's LL120, but their hub shit is cancerous I'd prefer something that can just use an rgb header
Lucas Adams
Still no point upgrading from an i5 2500k
Feels good man
Joseph Rodriguez
Don't create new /pcbg/ threads until the old one has hit its bump limit. Also your OP sucks dick, faggot
Robert Nelson
>tfw too lazy to relocate my build from NZXT H440 to H700i
Please do not buy this. Skylake has been dead for ages, not to mention that it costs more than the 2200G which is much better. PSU, case, and RAM are all mediocre.
Christopher Gomez
Unironically get a Pentium G4560 if you're going for a poorfag build with no upgrade path like this, save the money for a better system or a GPU.
Kayden Cooper
There definitely is if you play vidya t. 2500k owner
Anthony Edwards
>Core i3-8100+H310+GT 1030 Reminder to not get memed by this retard. 1030 has equivalent performance to the integrated graphics of the 2200g.
Ayden Parker
>>Core i3-8100+H310+GT 1030 - Budget Gaming (no need for fast RAM or unstable overclocking) lul
Xavier Hall
8400 Z370 yes?
Connor Morales
buy a used 680 or 960
Brandon Ramirez
just get a vega 64
Elijah Barnes
If you have to, but we are inches away from Zen+ and cheaper Intel boards.
Zen+ CPUs will have higher clocks and therefore the same or better single-thread.
Sebastian Sanders
And cost more
William Walker
Ryzen 2 will probably cost the same as Ryzen did at launch for comparable models.
Kayden Campbell
For an HTPC that will be running at most remuxed blu ray movies with mpv, which of these should I get: 2200G, 2400G, pentium G4600?
Robert Anderson
Sup Forumsentoomen,
I can't find any game benchmark regarding ram frequency. I know there's no difference at all between 2400mhz DDR4 and some retarded 4000mhz one but i'd like to convince a friend.
2200G, most value for money, better upgrade path too if you want to do something else with it later on.There'll be a new Pentium line up in the next few days, so it's best to steer clear of the G4600.
Lucas Jones
2200G is cheap and there isn't a reason to buy the Pentiums Memory bandwidth can give a noticable performance delta, it just depends on what you do. However, that's assuming you can even POST with 4GHz.
>wraith prism when wraith max exists >only one model with LED seems pretty fake
Thomas Rivera
>Ryzen Desktop 2000 Processors I feel like somebody had fun with copy/paste Neither of those prove anything
Christian Anderson
I want to use an Ethernet connection for my upcoming PC build, but don't want to have our current wireless router in my room since no matter where I'd place it, it would be an eyesore or would be placed in places where it would be in the way of other things. I discovered something called a MoCA adapter, would this be what I'm looking for? I'm only trying to use a coaxial cable in the very corner in my room to then go through an Ethernet cable. Are these reliable for online gaming?
Easton Barnes
>ryzen refresh >refresh >AMD themselves specifically stated it's only a refresh >people are mad because it performs like a refresh
My first ever Desktop, if you don't count the hand me down from father 15 years ago.
I know I at least fucked up GPU, but did not have much of an option there.
Kevin Clark
11/15
Luke Smith
Good/all or bad/all?
Cameron Kelly
bad/all
Julian Powell
Elaborate, if you could, please.
Robert Thomas
What is the normal temps for i5-8400? Mine is 35-40c idle 68-75c when gaymen. Should I invest on cpu cooler?
Joshua Bennett
CPC Hardware
Come here mon ami anonyme :)
Parker Cook
D’ailleurs si des français me lisent, achetez CPC Hardware, meilleur source d’info hardware en France, non corrumpue
Gabriel Ortiz
>Slower than 8400 in gaming >Consumes significantly more power than 1800X
TOP KEK, AYYMDPOORFAGS
Leo Williams
I'm building a workstation (Doing heavy VM work), so I'm going with TR. How does this look so far? pcpartpicker.com/list/HTntgw The graphics card in there will be my main GPU - i.e. for my main display. I'll get a vega 64 for VFIO passthrough for playing some games in my rare spare time (thus the 4k freesync monitor). Any comments so far?
Christian Foster
Just got scammed out of a 1080 Ti, lost 500€. Someone say something nice to me to keep me from ending it all.
Aaron Jones
How did you get scammed?
Wyatt Nguyen
Sent the money via bank transfer, seller told me he sent the package. Tracking doesn't work and he won't reply to any messages anymore.
Noah Clark
Well that's your fault then, never pay strangers beforehand. I assume you've used ebay? Should've bought it of someone accepting paypal.
Robert Johnson
Cancel the bank transfer
Kevin Green
Not him, but most likely not possible as it probably went through already. Also banks in Europe are a bitch when it comes to cancelling transfers, they usually take fees and it's not guaranteed to work, in fact it most likely won't.
Robert Flores
>Sending money in advance for a private purchase Learning experience. AT THE ABSOLUTE MOST, only send in advance what's needed for shipping
Carter Bell
yeah true, I'm not saying it's anyone else's fault. as said, not possible. I live in Germany.
Gabriel Hernandez
Is buying a used ryzen 1600 and a MSI b350m for $240 worth it? He's also got ram too sell. Its only 7 months old.
Isaac Barnes
Why's he selling it? Haggle him down a bit more
Asher Rogers
>Germany Couldn't you have done Cash on Delivery? I live in fucking Portugal of all countries, and the mailing services allow CoD over here
Robert Ross
had no option for it I think.
Gabriel Wright
Seriously? Which carrier was it supposed to be delivered by?
Lucas Kelly
DHL. But it was on a small-ish german site kinda like Craigslist. This really is my fault and I shouldn't have been this dumb.
Bentley Williams
>Why's he selling it? Haggle him down a bit more He hasn't stated. I don't feel like asking him as I don't have the money to buy it. But I'm just checking what you guys thinking for the future(end of year). I'm looking at prices and I'm sure a lot of people buy a CPU just to sell it a year or 2 later cause they wanna get zen 2 or something(like everyone praising amds am4 socket continuity). I just wanna get a system that'll last me another 5 years without spending to much. 2nd hand seems my best bet. m.ebay.com/itm/Ryzen-1600-3-9Ghz-MSI-B350M-Gaming-Pro-Motherboard-AM4/112884118599?hash=item1a486af447:g:laIAAOSwBPFassKq Here is the ad. Anyones free to pick it up if they want. But like with the ryzen 2 10% performance increase do you think zen 2 will be another 10% if so I'll just wait for the 3600. Is it possible for and to get such gains?
Kevin Lee
>german site kinda like Craigslist Not in their hands sadly. They only provide seller/buyer communication, nothing else. Also you could have done better. DHL allows CoD up to 3500€ even internationally. If he's also german, and you can't cancel the transfer, best you can do is file a claim on him (or if you don't have the name, file it on a person unknown) for fraud. You have his bank account number, should help identify him, if his bank agrees to help.
Thomas Wood
Also have you tried talking to his bank already?
Landon Clark
>DHL. But it was on a small-ish german site kinda like Craigslist. Gg... Hope you learnt your lesson. Don't worry think of it this way. You helped a scammer pay his bills. Maybe he's got a family to support
The seller seems to be consistent in delivering, so it should be okay. >I just wanna get a system that'll last me another 5 years You wouldn't go wrong with the 1600, it has more than enough cores for the future even if tasks start becoming more multithreaded, and single-threaded performance is nothing to scoff at. >But like with the ryzen 2 10% performance increase do you think zen 2 will be another 10% if so I'll just wait for the 3600. Is if possible for and to get such gains?
It's entirely possible that Zen 2 will have big performance gains considering that Ryzen 2 is just a refreshed architecture while Zen 2 is a full-on 7nm process shrink and new architecture, I'd say that 20% gains wouldn't be that much of a stretch. That being said, it's all up to your needs, if you need it right now and have the dough, buying used isn't a bad idea if it's just been 7 months.
Bentley Bennett
No one?
Michael Flores
Things that should be illegal:
* Case windows * LEDs other than small, inconspicuous power and HDD activity indicators * Keyboard colors other than black, beige or gray * 16:9 monitors
>Being this invested in how the computer of other people look like
Liam Richardson
The popularity of 16:9 and wider monitors increases prices for grown-up 16:10 monitors, so it affects me directly
Ayden James
I've got a i5-4440. So that'll still keep me at recommended specs for next 2 years hopefully. But ram is becoming a thing of late and I don't wanna spend $70 on 8gb ddr3 ram when in a year I'll just be tossing it away. Its because of ffxv I realised its maybe time for an upgrade cause it devours 8gbs and my 1060 3gv doesn't help
Isaac Moore
nah not yet, I'll call my bank first today.
while I think that the money is definitely gone, I have read that in some instances it is possible for the bank to give out details on the guy. We'll see.
If I remember I'll update you guys in a week or so.
Cameron Harris
>My preference is more important than the one of others >Therefore a popular item I disagree with should be illegal, solely because it doesn't fit my preference and shifts the market in a way not exactly favourable to me
Evan Roberts
Hey senpai, i think we feel similarly about bling, but check this: Case windows allow easier inspection of the internals, eg, dust buildup, failure indicator LED's, etc. Mobo LEDs to indicate ram/chipset/cpu state are pretty cool and make diagnostics easier.
I agree bling is bad though. Kind regards, t. friend.
Julian Lopez
Yes, and terrible design choices are an insult to anyone with a developed sense of aesthetics.
