C Mixolydian mode is exactly the same as the G Dorian mode

>C Mixolydian mode is exactly the same as the G Dorian mode

Why is this?

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Jews, probably.

I don't know what the fuck any of that means.

take any ionian mode move it up three steps and you got its aeloian equal

Do you not know how modes are connected?

>up
>steps
Down 3 half steps

because they are both in the key of F major

modes are just major scales starting on a different scale degree

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Based upon just the notes used in the scale, your'e correct, C Mixolydian and G Dorian are the same. In fact, F Ionian, G Dorian, A Phrygian, Bb Lydian, C Mixolydian, D Aeolian, and E Locrian all incorporate the same notes, but the important difference is these note relation to the tonic note. While all of these scales use F, G, A, Bb, C, D, and E, if you play the scale over a C7 chord (making it C Mixolydian) it will sound very different than over a G minor (Making it G Dorian), because the tonic in the scales has changed from C to G, and all the other notes are on different intervals from the tonic. Does that make sense?

that's how modes work dipshit

Exactly, it doesn't say
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so fuck off outta here with this boring shit.

well, music wouldn't exist without music theory so stfu

Music theory wouldn't exist without music. The other way around.

Shit my bad lol
I'm getting kinda rusty , haven't studied theory in a few months and havnrnt been practicing piano

they're not the exact same, they sound totally different because of the root notes. when using modes the only thing that matters is what note you consider the root.

but, essentially they are the same because the mixolydian scale is built upon the fifth degree of the major scale and the dorian is built on the second. in this case the parent scale is F major, so to play C mixo or G dorian you just play the F major scale starting from/resolving to C and G respectively.

You could also construct both of the scales using mixolydian or dorian's pattern themselves. Mixolydian is just a major scale with a flattened seventh, so just start with C major and flat the seventh (B) and you get an F major scale starting on C (because F major has a B flat). You could do the same with G and dorian.

Modes are weird because of how they relate to major scales

Wait until you learn about the D natural minor scale, it'll blow your mind

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You're autistic

This is wrong you fucking faggot

yeah, this, I think

modes are different from scales because they don't have a fixed note to return to, right? among other things I believe.

It has the same notes, but it's not the same.

Can someone explain to me how scales are different from modes ? I took AP Music Theory in high school but we mostly just focused on modes so I don't know what scales are for.

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modes are build from scales.

there are seven modes of the major scale
there are seven modes of the melodic minor scale
there are seven modes of the harmonic minor scale
there are seven modes of the harmonic major scale

henceforth.

a mode is what scale degree, and chord from the scale degree you consider your tonic centre. in lydian its Imaj7#11, in mixolydian its I13. etc.

please explain how that is wrong so i can laugh at your juvenile understanding of basic bullshit

not him but it is wrong. a mode isnt a major scale whatsoever unless youre talking about ionian. they are completely different and have totally different timbres

dorian = major scale with b3 and b7
phrygian = major scale with b2, b3, b6, b7
lydian = major scale with #4
mixolydian = major scale with b7
aeolian = major scale with b3, b6, and b7
locrian = major scale with b2, b3, b5, b6 and b7

oh i see where you and him think i'm wrong

here: a mode comes from a major scale starting on a different scale degree

you're also mislabeling them. dorian, aeolian, phrygian, and locrian are minor scales. lydian, ionian, and mixolydian are major scales. the third interval defines what type it is. saying a phrygian scale is a major scale with a b3 is silly

They can keep that Phrygian shit for themselves

Scales are just modes. Ionian and Aeolian are major and minor IIRC. There's sometimes variations though, like a harmonic minor scale would be the aeolian with a raised 7th.

harmonic minor and melodic minor have their own set of modes. if you think of each of those as a parent scale, then they have 7 sub groups of modes attached to them. jazz uses a lot of melodic minor stuff, not so much harmonic minor. metal uses a lot of harmonic minor.

>you're also mislabeling them. dorian, aeolian, phrygian, and locrian are minor scales. lydian, ionian, and mixolydian are major scales. the third interval defines what type it is. saying a phrygian scale is a major scale with a b3 is silly
i know. i was comparing them to the major scale to show how it was wrong. why bother writing all those flats for dorian when you can just call it a minor scale with a natural sixth?

Could you explain how to read that chart would I just be playing the black notes or what? Sorry if its a dumb question i see these in books and I don't have any audio examples to go with it.

based on my observations of internet music forums people without degrees in composition or music theory should be banned from discussing what a mode is. none of them know and they all just get mad. i don't know what a mode is either and i've read a lot of those discussions.

Dorian is the main mode, it is a modality. Lydian is merely 'modal'. The best that you can do, is split it up in several groups. Mixo>phryg. Treat Locrian seperate and consider the 'outside scale' notes. Min>major. Really, just remember, only a dorian can 'work' n' on itself, as major or minor do. Right, now suck my dick.