Why does the majority of Sup Forums continue to listen to objectively inferior music...

Why does the majority of Sup Forums continue to listen to objectively inferior music? In a world with Bach and Mark Andre, why would someone willingly subject themselves to substandard trash like Kanye West? Are you all content with consuming the musical equivalent of horseshit?

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ok but do you like dinosaur jr

check the stones

No Kanye is shit

When I want to listen to something that incorporates noise or dissonance I try to avoid simplistic, derivative garbage.

Bach is good, but I like Vivaldi too.

yes and what of Bowie, horseshit or does he bring pop music to high art?

Bach can't into meditative vibes like Riley can

He's great too, yes.

Horseshit. Bowie was faux avant garde at best, at worst he was a walking lesson in brilliant marketing.

surely these lads have some merit?

What do you think of Mister Scientist here?

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Less merit than Bowie. He could at least be described as a good performer, even if he performed subpar material. Radiohead have offered less than nothing to the popular music landscape, let alone music in general. There is hardly anything in their catalogue that isn't lifted wholesale from other artists, and made consumable to dolts who ignorantly describe their music as "innovative."

I have some fondness for dub from a cultural perspective, but aesthetically I find it to be painfully dull.

I like music with drums.

I can understand why a powerful sense of rhythm would be appealing to an idiot.

Silly bugger

what if the classical music has the drums

Shit on blues music for me

Bach is fucking garbage compared to Buxtehude, who is the reason he even gathered any sort of technical merit at all

I'll ask it this way, are there any "groups" from say, 1950 onward that write

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How is it possible to enjoy classical music in the present day? It's attitudes towards the world and mankind and God and such are so fundamentally misguided. How is it possible to treat as anything other than romantic escapism?

>faux avant garde
You just lost all credibility there, pal

Why does music need to "offer" something "innovative?"

I can understand why a bunch of unmemorable melodies would be appealing to a pseudo-intellectual.

this is the norm isn't it? considering he rejected 2 of the most popular "pop" artists I figured I'd ask if it was the form he really took issue with, popular music in general....not just kanye west

"groups" are never worthy of praise, only trained composers.

The attitudes dont matter when the music is so great and enjoyable to listen to.
also modern classical exists.

Not OP, but Buxtehude is fucking great. Membra Jesu Nostri is some of the greatest music of all time. Also Bowie and Radiohead are good. Art of Fugue and St. Matthews Passion are some of the greatest works of art in history, too.

Okay I think you've just exposed yourself as a true plebeian if all you care about is whether or not music is pleasant to listen to regardless of context and meaning.

He doesn't think so, because Bach was not innovative.

It depends on how they're utilized, when you say "I like drums" I assume you are referring miserable genres such as EDM and nearly all rock music. Wherein the drums are little more than a simplistic, loud, repetitive pattern for morons to bob their heads to.

I enjoy the blues for its authenticity, at it's best it's quite soulful and moving, despite being simple. It, at least in its early stages, cannot be accused of being overly polished, consumable trash. My favorite blues artist is Skip James, by the way.

If it does not advanced the art form in some way then it offers nothing to anyone outside of escapism. Accepting things that don't advance that art form leads to stagnation and decay.

If you think Bach's melodies are unmemorable it is only because your ears are incapable of processing counterpoint, to be expected of a subhuman.

Your ignorance would be astounding if it weren't so banal.

I agree that Kanye West is total horseshit.
But Bach was the Kanye of baroque.
That's why you should listen to Fugazi.

You are astonishingly hypocritical, either a troll or a wannabe intellectual who only mimics the ideas of others without true comprehension.

The attitudes do matter. They become museum pieces and 'muh special music' otherwise

Enjoy your fugues alone in a dark room friendo

Clearly troll

I haven't listened to bach. When I hear classical music on the radio, it usually seems like a stream of related ideas rather than something emotionally moving. People say they listen to classical music to relax, and I get it, since it tends to be hard to pay attention to.

>Enjoy your fugues alone in a dark room friendo
I actually do. Fugues are great!

wouldn't a patrician enjoy good music in any genre / form / attitude?

Yes, keep throwing around your baseless assertions, whatever will mend your fragile ego.

Yes, because enjoying something in solitude is clearly a sign of being deficient in some fashion. Are you so insubstantial that you can only enjoy things in the company of other morons?

This is because you can only pay attention to things that are so blunt and lacking in subtlety that you have lost the ability to appreciate compositional craft. It is unsurprising, the culture encourages this.

What do you think about The Boys™?

Bach is good stuff, i listened to a compilation of his on YouTube and found it very enjoyable.

I have no idea who they are.

>I haven't listened to bach
wtf have you been doing with your life? damn
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They're The Boys™

I am all for classical, but do you like any modern music?

Great and informative reply. Bach was not innovivative, he was a perfector. He mastered baroque polyphony and counterpoint, but what did he do that was innovative?

Is this some kind of meme?

Modern classical and some jazz.

worst bait of all time

He pushed polyphony and counterpoint to its technical limits, he advanced every concept that existed in the baroque era, save for opera. That is why I referred to him as an innovator and not an inventor. The two terms are not the same thing.

Okay, so you're one of those people who think they're abow rock. Do you have any musical education?

favorite tful282 song ? ? ?

theyre rock music for smart ppl like me

I am not above rock, there is some rock I enjoy, however, none of it is modern.

From what I've heard of them, I'd say my favorite is Hurricane.

Okay, i can see that.

good choice

I would be your friend. Try Mother of all Saints if you haven't already

I don't like "subtlety", but I do like complexity, and noticing things I haven't before on subsequent listens, which is in itself a kind of subtlety. I try to compose music that excites me, and is to the point. I did grow up in modern times, which reflects in my aesthetic values, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Hundreds of years ago, entertainment via music was rare, so it was more valuable to have it last longer. The scarcity is gone.
Before playing this, I was listening to Rush. The only thing catching my ear is how bassy one of the string instruments sounds. The Harpsichord part around 3:06 is pretty nice. I wish there were some hooks or strong themes. I don't disrespect Bach. He seems like one of the best of his period and that seems pretty agreed upon.

ITT: A bunch of retards trying to get their taste in music justified as "acceptable" by some wannabe-intellectual moron.

Okay. I sorry for making false assumptions. What bands do you like?

Give this a listen.
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I just want to see if he has good taste and ridicule him if he doesn't.

Neck youreself m8

I'm sure OP is a smart and knowledgeable person who reads big books for smart adults unlike you

thoughts on pop, OP? surely you must appreciate brian wilson at his prime

>I wish there were some hooks or strong themes
The entire piece is based on 1 single theme.

Modern classical. Traditional music as well of course

I have a music degree

Some contribute more than others but no one contributes nothing. We get how cool you are, though. GREAT JOB.

Must be a pretty boring theme for me to not have picked up on. I'm not gonna spend an hour listening to music I feel mostly indifferent about though.

I haven't heard anything save for the EP, I'll give it a shot eventually.

If you like discovering new things on consequent listens then classical music is something you should reconsider. I would start with Bach, and if he doesn't strike your fancy, move on to the Romantics, such as Schubert. Their more bombastic style would be more to your liking.

I'm sure that your intellect is staggering based off of that oh-so substantial post.

I quite like King Crimson and Robert Wyatt. I also enjoy Zappa and Beefheart. There's more but I don't feel like exhaustively listing every rock band I've had passing affection for.

I like a few Beach Boys singles but that's about it. At his best he made pop music that, while saccharine and overwrought, was certainly enjoyable.

If the contribution is insignificant and insubstantial then it may as well have never existed. I am not saying that popular music is devoid of enjoyment, I am saying it is devoid of depth. I expect to hear the typical aesthetic relativism argument that boils down to intellectually insecure dipshits projecting depth onto crap instead of actually challenging themselves.

could not agree more

>I'm sure that your intellect is staggering based off of that oh-so substantial post.

That was just an observation, and you know it's true.

eh its 300 year old music, dont expect it to satisfy your every modern urge.

This site breaks down art of fugue, gives an insight into its construction. Popular music just doesn't get close to this kind of economy of material.
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You can click play to hear the theme, then click Contrapunctus I to see how bach uses that 1 theme to create the rest of the piece. Truly a master composer at the top of his game.

Hardly, it is merely a projection of intellectual insecurity on your part. At least the rest of these people had something to add to this thread, even if some of it was idiotic. Your attempt to assert your individuality on an anonymous image board are both puzzling and pathetic.

>If the contribution is insignificant and insubstantial then it may as well have never existed. I am not saying that popular music is devoid of enjoyment, I am saying it is devoid of depth. I expect to hear the typical aesthetic relativism argument that boils down to intellectually insecure dipshits projecting depth onto crap instead of actually challenging themselves
Who inspired Bach, though? Who was he ripping off? Oh wait, nobody. It was no one's shit.

You are arguing against something I never said or implied, the baroque composers that Bach drew inspiration from are rightfully celebrated for advancing music, your favorite derivative indie rock band cannot stake such a claim.

What old rock bands do you like?

>Why does the majority of Sup Forums continue to listen to objectively inferior music?
Marketing.

Dumb people lap up whatever is marketed to them. Whatever is played on the radio, whatever sites like pitchfork recommend them.

Its not their fault, its a very effective mechanism to get people to enjoy fairly low quality music.

What do you think about the best composers of 21th century Spencer Clark and James Ferraro?
>inb4 you dont know them

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I'm not closed off to classical music. Honestly it seems a bit hard to get into, due to the fact that Ilisten to albums, but there don't seem to be any definitive albums. The Rite of Spring really struck me when I got lost in a city I was living in (it felt very fitting), and I have an interest in Brian Ferneyhough's music.
Classical music just doesn't excite me or make me feel emotionally involved a lot of the time. There are great, catchy, ubiquitous things, but they're not in the majority from what I'm understanding.
This is a song from my favorite album, and it has a lot going on, despite being very direct. Because it's very direct, and it's easy to "get inside of" it's immediacy and proclivity to change often and be playful and unpredictable. I found myself noticing subtle melodies and synths in it on subsequent listens, which increased it's replayability immensely.
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I don't, but then again, I'm not the type of person to go completely out of my way to factor in context for how "good" something is.
I think that advances in technology have legitimately allowed for better music to be made by more people.
I've been drinking, so I'll probably close it soon after, but I'll take a look at the link.

I don't know them.

old rock backs generally suck, but ELP are pretty cool.

Obviously I went through phases of liking led zep, beatles, floyd, stones, etc. but I was a teenager back then and listening to pretty much whatever I could find, from Hive dnb to gatecrasher, classical, metal, hip hop, the works.
After a 10 year death metal / grindcore phase I eventually settled on classical music. Its written by genius trained composers, and keep me interested, and is hugely varied over the last 500 years, from Renaissance polyphony to New Complexity in the 20th century, and all the common practice music in between. No other music really compares to the variety, quality and depth of classical.

Yes, I'm definitely very intellectually insecure. I am also very puzzling and pathetic. Thank you random smart person on the internet, thanks a lot. But I'm still right though, and there's no point in you denying it.

>I think that advances in technology have legitimately allowed for better music to be made by more people.
Actually the opposite is true. Now any teenager can download fruityloops and make shitty music, whereas back in the day the only way to make music was to be employed by a church or noble and you had to be properly trained before that happened.

Technology helped guys like Stockhausen in the late 50s make electronic masterpieces, and it did help the spectralists analyse waveforms in the 80s, but it hasn't done much for advancing the actual writing.

They're celebrating because he was inspired by them. Had he been as narrow-minded as you we'd have no idea that they ever existed.

The more you keep saying it the more true it becomes. Whatever makes you feel good.

Untrue. They're celebrated for being geniuses in their own right, not just because they contributed to Bach's development. That's like saying Haydn wouldn't be remembered if it wasn't know he had influenced Mozart, it's a retarded argument and false equivalency.

I'm glad that your autistic overlord mind finally decided to give me peace.

I'm not talking about who's doing what, but what the advances allow those who will do great things to do.
What is "great" is based on your own standards, but the availability of sounds increases yearly. Unless you think literally everyone is dysgenic, this should be a good thing.

I never denied you peace, the unrest you feel in yourself is the aforementioned insecurity. Do not blame me for your problems.

Buxtehude is great but saying he's better than Bach is super contrarian. I'm gonna need you to back up that opinion.

On a scale of 1 - 10

How depressed are you right now?

how do i into buxtehude?

One. I feel pretty good.

Are you a robot? You don't seem to pick up on my sarcasm.

6. Something unfortunate happened to me very recently but I'm feeling less nihilistic than usual.

It is notoriously difficult to pick up on sarcasm over the internet, and given the inanity of some other posts in this thread I wouldn't have been surprised if that post wasn't completely serious.

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Except you're comparing Kanye West to Bach, someone who has influenced a generation to someone who influenced multiple centuries. Anyone would seem insignificant in that context, not to mention that it's nearly impossible to imagine a world in which Bach never existed. His genius and influence don't excuse your dismissiveness. What exactly is your point anyway? Should people stop creating anything because Bach is dead?

because it's subjectively superior and that's all that counts

I am saying that the celebration of what can generously be described as mediocre pop music is retarded. I would not have anyone stop creating music simply because they can't make works of genius, it's a great outlet, but pretending that popular music is of quality is silly. One should not spend their short existence filling their minds with substandard garbage. Bach is also just an example, mainly because he's my favorite composer. There are modern composers that are also very much worth listening to, but they are ignored in favor of music that is more easily digestible, something that doesn't offer any sort of challenge for the listener.

Refer to >I expect to hear the typical aesthetic relativism argument that boils down to intellectually insecure dipshits projecting depth onto crap instead of actually challenging themselves.

Pop music is free
For you and me
Pop music's your wife
Have it for life

Pop music is fun
Just like chewing gum
Pop music is good
It sounds like it should

Pop music is wine
It tastes so divine
Pop music's a bird
It goes with the herd

Pop music's a fan
A fan to a fire
Pop music's for you