how the fuck are you supposed to learn a standard by ear?
like I can get the melody and usually the bassline ok but how do you figure out the chords? also I've read various places that learning standards by ear is the best way to start playing jazz? is this true or just a troll or something?
also general jazz discussion or whatever
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soudns like a meme to me
just learn the chord from the real book
well I dunno, ain't there a harmony implied by the bass line and melody? You don't necessarily need all the ornamentation or flourishes or fancy chord substitutions but I don't see why you can't figure out how to comp to a recording. . . ?
I wouldn't recommend learning pieces by ear on this one
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To figure out the chords if you don't know what the symbols mean you're going to have to do some research or take some lessons
I agree with Buy the authorised music , it'll be a lot easier
also, if you're going for performance I'd pull in as many published versions as you can
Are you jazz illiterate or baiting or something? Substitutions are an enormous part of jazz, the chords can be improvised at times, so, substitutions or a slightly different sound may be needed. Don't be a dickhead.
A lot of more advanced players will tell you they learn by ear. It's a lot more difficult than it is in some genres of music because of the usage of extensions. There are generally harmonies implied in the baseline, but the extensions come from having a really good ear for chords and chord quality. It's possible to master but its difficult. Plus, I'm not really sure how you would so it in a song like Naima where the bass plays a pedal almost the whole time. real books at, however, notoriously wrong often.
just figure out what chords lead to another. get an ear for music. most of the time if you hear a C7 it WILL resolve to some kind of Fmajor or Fm. these are the kind of things you have to listen for.
also the bassline does tell you the chords to play but if some guys bring you in totally unprepared for a song like giant steps and tells you to "listen for the changes" with no charts, you shouldnt be playing with him
real books are wrong a lot of the time, but they give you a foundation to work off of. its better than nothing honestly
It's not a meme, it's a good habit to get into, as it will help you a great deal with ear training, but it might not be a great idea until you have learned AT LEAST one standard from an actual lead sheet.
It's something that's pretty difficult when you start but will get much easier the more you do it. If you can figure out the melody and the bassline then you're most of the way there already.
After you have a pretty good idea of the bassline and the melody the next step is to figure out the quality of the chord. This isn't usually too hard because it's going to be either major or minor most of the time. From there it's mostly going to be a game of trial and error trying to figure out any extensions or alterations.
Like I said the more you do it, the easier it will get and you will start recognizing common patterns like ii V I and all the substitutions of ii V I's or when a ii V resolves somewhere unexpected (as happens a lot in the tune you posted in the OP).
On that subject, to start out you will probably also want to avoid trying to transcribe jazz tunes that were written after 1960. In general they're going to have a lot of ambiguous harmony and more complicated voicings.
Stick with "classic" standards to begin with and try your best. If you're stumped on a chord, skip it and come back after you've figured out all the other chords in its phrase. If you get done with the tune and you still can't figure it out then consult a published lead sheet for help.
I agree with you on the last remark. I generally find that I will learn a song more thoroughly if I attempt it by ear first, checking my guesses with the Real Book and altering what sounds wrong to me.
Thanks for your help jazz people