Insecurity over metal

Why are you Sup Forumsfags so insecure about your tastes? I'm not talking about the /metal/ general, but everytime something about metal is posted outside of the general I see opinions on metal that should be outright banned. The bands you guys consider to be the only good metal bands are some of the worst music metal has to offer, I'm talking about gojira, isis, neurosis, burzum, deafheaven, the usual Sup Forums circlejerked shit. Why are you guys so insecure about your music tastes that you only listen to "le intelligent metal bands" that get forced by pitchfork ? I'm genuinely curious, because most of you seem like closet metalfags too afraid to admit they like metal

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i'd be insecure too if i liked a band that looks like that

Why do you care about image?

Mate there are certain genres Sup Forums doesn't understand; mainly metal and electronic music. They can only listen to the TMT, p4k, DiS, CoS, WATMM, RYM, RA opinions on these genres and outside of them nothing else.

I mean....I've never been afraid to put out there that I like industrial rock/metal (very different from regular rock/metal), but like.....as far as the ones OP mentioned.....being honest - never heard of any of them before (minus on here of course).

Very poor example of rock/metal industrial, but this is what I got playing right now.
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people who overuse elipses should be permabanned holy shit.

(You) (OP) (more useless elipses just to annoy you because fuck you to, user.)

By the way (its spelled ellipses)

I've seen worse in my 4 years of browsing Sup Forums
They weren't even allowed to have a general before

Sup Forums is insecure over many things, just leave it.

>I see opinions on metal that should be outright banned

Mommy please ban this meanie on the internet cause it hurts my feeling.

ellipses is the ... user, what you're referring to is parenthesis

further proof that you need to be permaed

What are you talking about OP? The fastest, most active threads on Sup Forums are the /metal/ general and they absolutely despise bands like gojira, isis, neurosis, burzum and deafheaven and almost exclusively circlejerk thrash, power and death metal with hints of riffy black metal

Other generals only reach the bump limit twice a day here, /metal/ reaches the bump limit 5-6 times a day.

The music I listen to is perfect and for refined gentlemen. Any other music is shit and you should feel bad for liking it.

You are an idiot

>neurosis
>isis
>deafhaven
>some of the worst the genre has to offer
This is why I stopped listening to metal, you assholes turned it into a meme genre

You were never into metal to begin with

>ellipses
>parenthesis

Just passing by this thread, but it's parentheses. Shit. How blind are you that you don't notice the parallel?

Metal was the only genre I listened to for a good solid 2 years, I listened to other more "traditional" metal bands, I just didn't freak the fuck out when a band did something out of the ordinary

I swear, fucking poptimists are worse than you guys

You know that there are tons of good metal bands that do metal differently right? Or are you that fucking clueless? 2 years in metal is babby-tier

>deafheaven
>something different
oh I am laffin

>You know that there are tons of good metal bands that do metal differently right?
Yea, but given the bands you were trashing because their not "TRUE KVLT METAL" I figured you would like them either. Exactly what bands do you refer to?

Most people (especially in America) discover metal during early puberty. They are per definition insecure about and leash out. They also listen to shit metal a lot. Most people drop metal later in go mainstream. However the metal master race expands it's taste while hardening the core. I listen to let's say 70% metal but don't care about most mainstream bands and/or Wacken-stuff. I also have not problem listening to Merit Hemminson right after finishing Abbath. I just like all sort of eerie dark stuff over happy tunes. I only know about 5 people are like me but dozens of insecure Amon Amarth fans.

Burzum isn't bad.

>solid 2 years

Then you jumped on the next genre like every hipster does.

Are you retarded? Do you think I dislike those bands because they're mainstream or something? I dislike them because their music is absolute garbage, poorly composed and without any emotion or punch, some good modern original bands are peste noire, wormed, uzumaki, TOOH, baring teeth, charnel winds, death fortress

> gojira, isis, neurosis, burzum
Add Vektor. Those are meme bands.

Vektor isn't nearly as bad, overrated sure, but they still have a couple of good songs

this
and this

Best song ever
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Eh, most 2nd wave norwegian bands were much better than varg's early material, it's a good song though

>Do you think I dislike those bands because they're mainstream or something?
That's pretty much the metalhead mindset these days
I listened to a few of the bands you mentioned and while most of them were certainly more interesting than your bog standard death/black metal shit, Wormed was just generic tech-death with none of the "emotion" or "punch" that you claim the bands I liked didn't have

The fact that you need to prove that your taste is better than my taste pretty much proves to me that you're the insecure one.

I dare you to show atleast one band that sounds like wormed

I don't really dislike any of the named bands. They are still meme bands.

agree
post/sludge/black metal aren't talked about anymore because they got memed too hard.
/metal/ is only interested in the traditional riff heavy riff focused genres, AKA teen-core

You really think people are still insecure when literally everything on this board is anonymous?

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i was also at that point once. listen to more black metal, burzum is lame as hell.

I think he just wanted to show you some good progressive bands to show how boring the meme bands you like really are..

Disliking Deafheaven is fine
Disliking ISIS is somehow acceptable
But if you think Neurosis are unoriginal and shit you really don't know shit about metal

Neurosis were original but they're complete shit

o i am laffin
just disappear from this board
or better kys

>hurr durr taste has a vector
Not going to argue about the quality of Burzum but quite objectively his style isn't copied that often. Subjectively his post prison material is underrated.

absolutely no taste whatsoever

souls at zero is ok I guess

Originality doesn't make something good though. Neurosis is metal made accessible towards people who don't like metal but original enough to attract people who want to feel special for listening to something "unique".

>if you think they're shit you don't know shit about metal
I know enough to know that I like my metal for the metal. My collection includes 739 metal albums and 321 EPs, excluding hipster garbage pseudo-metal.

Other metal bands do experimentation better than Neurosis while still being metal in the first place.

>listen to more black metal
I do

>burzum is lame as hell
If you're scrub, then sure.

Those who understand see this:
Developing alongside the other Norwegian inventors of the early 1990s modern black metal movement, one-man band Burzum not only produced some of the most insightful music to come from the genre, but lent expertise to other bands like Mayhem and Darkthrone, and finally, raised the bar on the genre to a point it could not surpass with 1993's Hvis Lyset Tar Oss, effectively ending the first generation of this genre. Created to "stimulate the fantasy of mortals," the music of Burzum is vengeance of chaos against the propagation of administrative and technological models for human existence, ideas which demand allegiance to rules and "morality," or the wisdom of mercy and social compromise as seen by Judeo-Christian technocratic society. Thrusting his fist in the face of that evident death-worship, Varg "Count Grishnack" Vikernes enfolds the rejected darkness in the lucidity of structure in the most forebodingly empty and threatening views of the world.

keked

you actually found that funny? are you 8 years old?

Stop showing off and tell us what you dislike about Neurosis and which bands are better in your opinion. Jesus man, what a shallow post.
I also claim those numbers are made up. Pics or it didn't happen.

2013 pasta?

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wew, 420 blazi fagott

>meme bands
How is this a legitimate argument? Because a band is talked about a lot it automatically bad because "lol memes"? How are Neurosis and Isis even meme bands when I rarely see them talked about? I didn't even say the bands he mentioned were that bad, I found one kinda boring, but I see the appeal of it. Why the constant need to prove your favourite bands over mine?

It's hardly showing off. Your post is just as shallow as mine.

>If you don't like my riffless atmospheric sludge metal as far removed from metal as possible you have no taste

Do you seriously expect any good discussion to come from that? Neurosis is original. But they're original in the sense that they've discarded and watered down most of their metallic elements in place for a washed out, post-rock texture.

Oranssi Pazuzu manages to be very original and still deeply rooted in metal, for example.
youtube.com/watch?v=GSu7Oqhi-6g

>discarded and watered down most of their metallic elements
>and still deeply rooted in metal
we get it, you are a metal elitist

you say it like that's a bad thing

No, it's completely understandable that somebody who likes a genre wouldn't like a band in said genre that tries really hard to be disconnected from the genre in the first place.

Neurosis don't even pull from the good side of post-rock either.

Elitism is Darwinism for metal.

THAT FUCKING BASS
God fucking damn

>you say it like that's a bad thing
it is

>like a band in said genre that tries really hard to be disconnected from the genre in the first place.
neurosis have never tried anything
did they ever identify themselves as "we make this kind of metal" or "that kind of metal"?

YOU are the one classifying them in a genre and then saying they are disconnected from the genre

>you found a joke where metal is the target funny? w-what are you, 8-8?

Oh the irony

where's the irony?

Neurosis's frontman actually coined the term "Thinking Man's Metal", which is among the most pretentious, most head-up-your-ass thing I've heard from metal musicians.

literally zero irony, now your stupid ass is making me laugh

I asked for your opinion. If you think that's shallow that shows pretty much how you think about music and your "collection".

Actual elitism is defense of the values of a genre. Not any band and definitely not every band can be black metal. However, the anti-elitists would like to argue that just about anything can be black metal by, you know, wishing it so. That amounts to obliteration by assimilation and adulteration, and would terminate the black metal genre. It seems that like this writer, most anti-elitists aren’t actually black metal fans, and what they want isn’t black metal, but the usual music that they like to be labeled as black metal… so they can be elitist (but humble) about it.

My bad, that was ISIS's frontman who coined the term, but Neurosis's frontman started parroting it.

It’s not popular to defend elitism because elitism itself is under a similar attack. The herd would love to consider themselves elitists, but in the time-honored tradition of morons everywhere, they get it wrong. To them, elitism means finding the most obscure band possible and browbeating the rest of us for not knowing about it. It’s like a shibboleth or entry code to the cool kids group. But that group only appeals to hipsters, and those are actually irrelevant, since they produce nothing except low-run memes for each other.

Oranssi Pazuzu. Rofl. Look at the history of the band, they were formed as in art project. I like them since Valonielu, you like them since the last album. They are hardly metal tho.

idk if it's pasta but you're right

The point of elitism is to keep out impostors.

Impostors, you say? Yes: genres form because small groups break away from what everyone else is doing. These small groups then do something in an unorthodox way, and it works. The large group, fearing that it has been left behind, then creates a bandwagon effect where they all start imitating the small group. If the small group wishes to survive, it needs to oust the bandwagon-jumpers and keep itself internally consistent.

This is why many groups are elitist and not just in music. They are trying to preserve their way of doing things which is different from what the herd wants to do, while the herd wants to appropriate the mantle of these rebellious groups while continuing — underneath the aesthetic — to do exactly what the herd always does. In this case, they want to dumb down black metal into emo/indie/shoegaze/rock. That’s why people hate Deafheaven.

Last time I checked, Neurosis didn't associate themselves with metal at all

Yeah they are user seriously

>reads Ayn Rand once

Since metal is caught within the regime of popular entertainment, it speaks the language of socialization exclusively. Thus, if you have an unpopular opinion, it’s because you’re mean or a douchebag. Thus it is that people frequently refer to people who have standards as “douchebag elitists.”

Listening to a release by what I’ll call a respectable band, I was reminded of the reasons for my douchebag elitism. This CD is after all mostly right. It has all the right elements, knows the conventions of the genre, and has a number of sentiment and somewhat obvious but effective riffs. Should be good, right?

Except that it’s not good enough. It’s close, but not the same. Where Graveland — its primary influence — had a unique personality and a clear direction, this respectable band is derived from Graveland and Darkthrone and that basis is audible. The basis for Graveland was reality itself; the basis for the respectable band is music.

As a result, it misses on what black metal was. Even more importantly, it misses out on a standard of quality that lets blackmetal be of that level. When we are elitist, and admit only the bands which have a distinct and amazing perspective on the world, we see the genre as it is: the product of independent minds with purpose.

When we let that purpose fall, and allow those who simply want to partake of that vision to be part of the genre, standards plummet. Those bands are imitating from outside and trying to reproduce what was, but in doing so, they’re losing the most essential part of it, which is its motivation as a whole.

I've been a fan of Oranssi Pazuzu since Muukalainen Puhuu, actually. I've been a fan of the psychedelic black metal/black metal with 60s prog keyboards microgenre since Sigh started experimenting with it in the late 90s and early 00s.

Oranssi is very rooted in metal, especially black metal, what are you on about? 1:50 is straight up metal riffing layered under psychedelic keyboards.
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what are your favourite black metal albums?

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>band leader is from a prog rock band
>hardly any riffs
>no soli
I talked to them personally. They don't consider themselves metal. Also it's fine to like psychedelic BM. Shitting on people who like Burzum because of that is elitist bullshit.

>trying to impress people with standard Roadburn bands

black metal rarely has solos

Metalhead here

Gojira, isis, neurosis and burzum all have good albums
Deafheaven is decent i guess you can get emotional resonance over it but you'll be better listening to alcest

I like Nails
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Only true for second wave and only for the 90s.

I already posted in this thread, but yeah this. Deafhaven is okay, I guess. People moshing at their concerts thinking this is what metal is supposed to be like is not.

>Deafhaven is okay, I guess. People moshing at their concerts thinking this is what metal is supposed to be like is not.

God! Who cares what metal is "supposed" to sound like, just let people enjoy the fucking music!

you are talking to a bona-fide metal elitist
just give it up famalam

I should have given up before I even opened my mouth.

But at least this thread taught me one thing, I now know why Sup Forums hates metal

Not elitist at all. They can do and dance all they want. They shouldn't call it metal and if they do it's sign of ignorance and arrogance. I don't go to techno clubs and think this is Hip Hop just because it has a beat.

one reason Sup Forums hates metal are the elitists
there are other reasons though

Elitism is important for any genre that operates outside the mainstream convention.

Poseurs can exit the hall.

At this point and because the internet the elitist have become the poserus tho.

Honestly they should permaban this entire board for even thinking of having an opinion

>band leader is from a prog rock band
How does that have to do with anything? Plenty of metal musicians come from non-metal backgrounds. That doesn't make their music invalid, or dosen';t mean that they don't even listen to metal in the first place. Most of these non-metal musicians who ended up writing metal have very well been listening to metal for years beforehand.

>hardly any riffs
Oranssi Pazuzu actually have more riffs than the standard vanilla black metal band, actually.
>no solos
Guitar soloing isn't a staple of black metal past the first wave, and there's plenty of death metal and thrash metal bands even who discard solos in place for more riffs.

>I talked to them personally
Yeah, and my dad works at Nintendo and told me Zelda rides a helicopter in the next game

>They don't consider themselves metal
That's funny when their logo is traditionally in the metal artstyle and they're named after a Babylonian demon. Juho Vanhanen formed Oranssi Pazuzu after attending an Emperor concert. They've never considered themselves not a metal band. They've described themselves as a mixture of space rock and black metal.

Your point being? Are you comparing Neurosis and Oranssi Pazuzu? Also if you want to impress people with you super sick developed taste you shouldn't name bands that have been raved in every review the previous year. At last name Virus or Spectral Lore or some shit :^^)
Also OP sold their own merch before opening for Gorgoroth too. Nothing special to talk to them if you don't suffer from assburger.

I wasn't trying to impress people with my tastes you dumb faggot. Can you even read? The original post I was replying to asked me to post bands that (in my opinion) I felt did experimentation in metal better than Neurosis, so I did exactly as I was asked.

>name a band that you think is better than neurosis
>okay have a band
>stop trying to impress people

So you are comparing Neurosis to Oranssi Pazuzu.
Eh okay buddy.

That's exactly what I was asked to do.

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I love Gojira, it's too bad they got memed to death in /metal/. I've been getting into more proggy stuff since I found them, Dysrhythmia is fucking insane.

Also, anybody in this thread that hasn't listened to Nile, listen to Nile. That fucking drummer, man.

What's a meme band?