Where do you THINK the future of noise music lies? Where do you WANT the future of noise music to lie?
Ideally, for me, the future of noise should lie in the revival of insane, adrenaline-pumping performance art and danger music, new forms of organic noise performance to cut through the dull waves of staticky electronics, and harsh noise combined with chaotic free jazz. Overall, what noise used to be.
I also wouldn't mind more development in onkyokei. I believe there will still be many artists using these techniques; however, I think that staticky noise will continue to dominate from here on.
I also see a future in innovative computer-generated noise, such as computer stochasticism and indeterminacy. Humans provide the variables, computers manipulate them in a controlled environment to create a sonic form of the data(pic related). More development in this area will be expedited by the development of better commercial computers.
>when someone listens to your noise project and says "i can sense your influences in free jazz"
>mfw i just knob twiddle experimenting with various signal sources
Sebastian Myers
I think it will be new organizational methods that closely mirror current psychological experiences with computers. Multidimensional counterpoint and very rapid changes happening within seconds like surfing the web
Jeremiah King
I don't know really. Noise is so extense it could be labeled as experimental depending in what you're based of. There's some new Noise movement i'm not aware of?
John Cooper
Static
Dominic Russell
>There's some new Noise movement i'm not aware of? Do you know ambient noise wall, or drone noise wall or bass noise wall ? The first 2 are not so different from HNW
Blake Thomas
what is HNW?
Cooper Baker
Define "noise"
Aiden Perry
Urge best music comes from making music outside an intention of applying genre labels, any genre's scenes propagate safeness
Matthew Ramirez
yeah, they are saying yor knob twiddling is reminiscent of free jazzists who twiddle their instruments.
I'd love to hear a harsh noise album from autechre. Elseq gets pretty noisey and it's great.
Caleb Foster
Development in the fusion of noise and dance music would be nice. Like rhythmic noise, sort of.
New genre: NDM (noise dance music)
Cooper Kelly
These two are the most spot on
Jonathan Ramirez
>what is HNW? Harsh Noise wall. Some consider to be a separated sub-genre from harsh noise, some consider it to be not a new sub-genre and its just harsh noise youtube.com/watch?v=zvQoTfgA8Fo
Ambient noise wall Also considered a unique sub-genre by some, but some people that consider HNW to be a real genre, dont consider this to be unique enought to be considered a real genre.
In the trash because it's not art and won't be remembered
Nicholas Sullivan
>I am the authority on what is and isn't art haha ok pleb
Gabriel Taylor
This țbh
Benjamin Young
I agree, one guy making alot of static and feedback is overdone, and can't evolve anymore. There should be more noise bands than solo artists. Noise is pretty limitless, it doesn't need to be edgy and harsh all the time.
ITT: people with no clue about noise's stylistic and conceptual development through the decades, no clue about its various branches and how they correlate with each other and no clue about its current general state speculate on the future of noise
hearing a dozen noise albums and reading some wikipedia articles and RYM reviews does not make you knowledgeable about this stuff
Tyler Hill
This is a common criticism in any noise thread... There's always that one guy who seems to have it all figured out and knows more than anyone else posting in the thread. Care to enlighten us about the stylistic and conceptual origins of noise? What's a good reference for people just getting into it...? Any literature you'd recommend? I doubt it.
Nathaniel Ward
then how has it lasted so long kek
Jacob Wood
>what noise used to be.
Noise began with bands like Coil and Current 93.
This is the future of noise. Power Electronics like Whitehouse are ok as well.
But the weird, atmospheric artists with prose poetry are more convergent with my interests in terms of the future of noise.
Um.......... The stylistic origins of noise predate industrial music by fucking decades. What are you talking about?
Isaiah Hernandez
The Futurists have no significant causal relationship to contemporary noise.
Owen Hernandez
They absolutely do! Some of their methods of controlling and manipulating sound are still employed by noise musicians to this very day
Joshua Flores
>! Some of their methods of controlling and manipulating sound are still employed by noise musicians to this very day
That came later. The early artists in the genre were not interested in the Italian Futurists.
They were interested in a purely experimental form of 'music'.
Real noise is DIY fabrication of new musical 'instruments'. Just because some faggots read a Futurist manifesto about the shit and tries to copy it doesn't mean that some hundred year old dead Italians are still relevant.
Most noise producers don't even know about the Futurists
Justin Evans
>noise began with coil and current 93
Hahah...check out Keiji Haino - Milky Way (1973). Predates the bands by several years.
Kayden Lewis
I'm calling bullshit on this. Most contemporary noise musicians ARE influenced by Russolo in particular, regardless of whether or not they're aware of his extensive influence.
Owen Nelson
Just going for the most obvious, but Merzbow's earliest stuff has a very clear influence from the futurists. As well, TG were big fans of Marinetti, dating back to the COUM days.
Angel Gonzalez
>They were interested in a purely experimental form of 'music'. Who are these musicians you're referring to? Seems like you're generalizing an awful lot here
John Reed
>Most contemporary noise musicians ARE influenced by Russolo in particular, regardless of whether or not they're aware of his extensive influence.
>regardless of whether or not they're aware of his extensive influence.
>aware
This is my entire point. Noise producers are not aware of the Futurists in any meaningful way.
>Merzbow's earliest stuff has a very clear influence from the futurists
Prove it
>TG were big fans of Marinetti, dating back to the COUM days.
Show me proof
Xavier Lewis
Remblandt Assemblage is basically a pastiche of Russolo's work. All of the homemade instruments in it are approximations of Intonarumori made out of knick-knacks. Furthermore, he states in a number of interviews (mostly in the 90s) that his chief influences at the time were the futurists, as well as industrial and performance art groups such as SPK and The Haters.
As for TG/Coum, read Wreckers of Civilisation. I haven't got the book next to me to tell you the key pages, but I assure you, it's there. I imagine this can also be found in any number of interviews.
Your artfag conception of noise is hilarious to me.
Real noise lives in shitty run-down illegal venues in which crazy people get hammered and bloody and destroy things.
I'm sick of people like you trying to edify something that is fundamentally against all of creation.
William Walker
This.
What a banal and unambitious point of view.
Jordan Collins
>What a banal and unambitious point of view.
You have clearly never been to a real noise show
Fucking cognoscenti my ass
Jayden Nelson
When people put ALOT more effort into noise music it's gonna blow everyone away. It has so much potential but it's wasted on lazy hacks.
Brandon Jenkins
>only edgy danger music is real noise holy shit
Nathan Lewis
>Real noise lives in shitty run-down illegal venues in which crazy people get hammered and bloody and destroy things. This is only part of the current noise scene, obviously.
William Walker
all genres are like this. Do you know how many disposable rock/hip hop albums there are?
Leo Price
>>only edgy danger music is real noise
Yes, and fuck your creation, you stupid art student
Julian Evans
What en edgy little turd
Justin Robinson
Fucking all of creation is the fucking point of noise, you moronic, insignificant little pansy
Sebastian Brooks
I literally make noise and hang out with noise musicians, only about 10% of the ones I know are like that.
Isaac Davis
what city?
Christopher Ross
What's the matter?
Scared that real noise makers will find you and humiliate you?
Blake Campbell
Vancouver, Canada.
There's actually a great noise show happening this Saturday at VIVO Media Arts Centre if anyone in this thread is from Vancouver and interested.
I should have known from your smug, idiotic manner of speaking.
If I wasn't banned from your faggot country for life I'd come and taunt you.
Hudson Barnes
Lol just admit that you were wrong
Connor Garcia
I'm saying the influence of Futurism is more evident in contemporary noise than you'd like to think. Awareness is irrelevant.
Daniel Brooks
Wrong about what?
The influence of the Futurists on noise today?
I won't. 95% of people making noise don't give a single fuck about those fascists. Are you a nazi? Also, fuck Merzbow, and fuck all other mainstream 'noise'. Fuck your faggot artschool superclean venues. Fuck your carefully composed watered-down faggot shit. Fuck your creation.
Most of all, fuck you, and everything you believe in.
Evan Garcia
Wrong argument. I'm talking about the guy who claims >Fucking all of creation is the fucking point of noise Implying that all noise is edgy anti-everything angst
Ethan James
I am that guy you fucking moron
And I invoke pure chaos into all of your lives
Kayden Anderson
o no
Anthony Allen
came back to Sup Forums after a three year break and I just wanna say I'm enjoying my stay
David Ortiz
u guys must be out of the loop, most of the east coast noise scene makes techno type stuff now
