Is this right?

Is avant garde just another word of eggspork?

Enjoy your midi trumpets with retarded vocals

enjoy your generic growls over generic drum beats over generic guitar playing you doritos eating neckbeard

go listen to moonsorrow and vektroid lite-metal for hot topic shoppers. you've yet to realize that liturgy is an art exhibit, these "midi horns and retarded vocals" are intentional and you obviously missed the entire point of liturgy and their music

It's actually correct.

Nothing on the right side qualifies as avant-garde strictly speaking. These bands don't have a manifesto, they don't have a program, they don't purposefully try to overcome the current state of their scene, they don't claim to be historically relevant, they don't base themselves on a clear theory of art and culture, they don't have a very distinct philosophical background and they don't aim to create a new movement all by themselves or to alter society as a whole.

Liturgy does all that.
And it fucking sucks.

Avant-gardes are often very stupid and produce a lot of shit.

So, OP is entirely right, none of the band on the right should be called "avant-garde", whereas Liturgy has every right to be called "avant-garde".

However this has no bearing on the actual quality of each album, and the fact that you automatically interpret avant-garde as a compliment means that your worldview is all fucked up.

Obviously Liturgy is avant-garde.
But that doesn't mean that it's any good.

>and the fact that you automatically interpret avant-garde as a compliment
[citation needed]

>generic
god forbid musicians actually try to create art within the framework of a given genre instead of mashing things that do NOT go together, resulting in an extremely underwhelming "art exhibit".
>these "midi horns and retarded vocals" are intentional and you obviously missed the entire point of liturgy and their music
You did.
Liturgy was never supposed to sound stupid or ridiculous, it was always hyped by HHH as a grandiose, beautiful and magnificent thing that elevates all sorts of contemporary musical movements. But it's goofy as fuck, in spite of his best efforts.

you really missed the boat on liturgy user, they are all descendants of arthur honegger. they are not just a bunch of hipster teens that are trying their hand at black metal, they're more intelligent than everyone else that has ever tried to make black metal music

>god forbid musicians actually try to create art within the framework of a given genre
nothing wrong with this but if you start sounding too much like your predecessors (95% of modern metal) then you are not worthy of anyones time except for teenagers who are not familiar with the people you're ripping off

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>nothing wrong with this but if you start sounding too much like your predecessors (95% of modern metal) then you are not worthy of anyones time except for teenagers who are not familiar with the people you're ripping off
That's 100% wrong.
If I love Anthrax, why shouldn't I also like a band that rips them off? Why wouldn't they be worthy of my time if they sound the same?
Doing a good imitation is just as laudable as having novelty appeal.

liturgy saved trap and metal