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Post old meme performers in old meme sound.
>inb4 how do I into classical?
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Thomas Torres
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Ryan Wilson
meme meme meme
maybe try something else for a change?
nope! more "memes" xD
Parker Moore
You seem upset.
Have some music
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Benjamin Turner
asl
James Hernandez
xD
Aiden Murphy
classical newfag here, want to get more into it, so I really appreciate the links. Thank you!
However, I also have a question: One of the main reasons that I was scared away from classical as a genre and more attracted to other ones when I was getting more into music as a whole was that more "modern" genres have the luxury of being very simply packaged. If I want to listen to the work of a single artist or band, I can find the music with their name on it, and there will be only one "real" version of their work.
However, with classical, there aren't any pre-existing recordings done by the musicians of the time with the direction of the person who composed them. We can have many different renditions of the same piece of music, and I don't know if the orchestra that happened to play the piece that I want to listen to did it justice.
Is this really a problem? Or, is it that there really isn't that much leeway in how a piece is played and I can not worry about it too much?
Christian Jackson
>However, with classical, there aren't any pre-existing recordings done by the musicians of the time with the direction of the person who composed them.
steve reich.
>Is this really a problem?
Performers know more about performance than composers do.
Bentley Sullivan
>there aren't any pre-existing recordings done by the musicians of the time with the direction of the person who composed them
There are some, like a few living composers performing their own works and some historic recordings like pic.
>Is this really a problem?
No, all it means is that you're gonna have to listen to a few different interpretations until you find a few you like, keeping in mind the music can be interpreted very differently person to person.
Like this
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Ian Robinson
You two are absolutely right, when I wrote that it didn't even occur to me that there are people making classical music now
>Performers know more about performance than composers do.
Well sure, I agree. But the person who created the piece of music being preformed has some idea of what they would want it to sound like, right? Most of the comparison I made earlier was that with a genre like, say, rock or electronic music, these people, performer and songwriter are one in the same (barring cases where the lazy hire a team of songwriters, however), whereas classically, these were two different people.
Did these famous composers have much less to do with the performance of their work than I thought?
Cameron Anderson
>Old meme edition.
Oldest meme in existence:
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Jonathan Miller
>However, with classical, there aren't any pre-existing recordings done by the musicians of the time with the direction of the person who composed them. We can have many different renditions of the same piece of music, and I don't know if the orchestra that happened to play the piece that I want to listen to did it justice.
I get what you mean, it's really a problem to have to go through many recordings to see what you may be missing
>However, with classical, there aren't any pre-existing recordings done by the musicians of the time with the direction of the person who composed them.
As said in this post , while composers are usually exceptional interpreters on their instruments or even as directors, sometimes there's "genius" or virtuoso conductors who are able to get much more from the orchestras than the composers themselves
A notable example can be Stravinsky, he himself as an old man made many recordings of his own works as a conductor (with the help of other conductors, like Robert Craft), and these performances are far from definitive, even from his point of view
That's why many composers of the recording era don't even bother to conduct their own works
>Is this really a problem? Or, is it that there really isn't that much leeway in how a piece is played and I can not worry about it too much?
Yes, you should know who are the better directors of some pieces
I would advice you to stay away in general from Karajan and Bernstein, since they recorded a lot of music and their performances can either not get the depth of the music across, and be exaggerated or both.
I would also advice you to not fall into the "old shitty sounding recordings are better" meme. While there has been changes through time in the usage of different techniques and instruments, there's still have been many performers in the last decades who can do justice to most composers.
Justin Garcia
>I would also advice you to not fall into the "old shitty sounding recordings are better" meme. While there has been changes through time in the usage of different techniques and instruments, there's still have been many performers in the last decades who can do justice to most composers.
To expand on this, there's many recordings from the 50s in good sound. And many times these performances are better than the ones that came after, since there were a lot of great conductors of those times. But you should almost never stick to a bad sounding recording and fetishize them, as it is the case with some people. If it sounds bad, drop it, until you can make a case that it's the only option you have.
The only shitty sounding recording I listen to is Fricsay's Mozart Requiem because there's really no other that pierces through the music like this one for me.
Grayson Jenkins
Many of the great composers were also great composers, so they probably had as much to do than you thought.
Jackson Reed
>Many of the great composers were also great composers
Many of the great composers were also great *performers
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Benjamin Miller
Why are modern and contemporary classical so atrociously bad?
Nolan Jenkins
cuz you're a pleb
John Gutierrez
Because serialism
Brayden Walker
Probably because you haven't heard any of the good stuff, either that or you're of the mindset that only tonal music is good.
Jordan Richardson
The thing is that popular music (rock, electronic music etc.) doesn't have a score that tells the performer EXACTLY what to do. That's how composers communicate. They write scores. The scores will (usually) be honed during their lifetime to consistently produce correct performances. That way when they die their music lives on forever in its original state, provided they included enough information and the instruments they wrote for are still around, and no one in the future had too many stupid ideas.
As long as you have a good score with plenty of information, you can get a pretty accurate rendition of the piece of music. All the notes and rhythms are there, often the speed/tempo is there too (in modern times we even get precise tempo markings) its just the small details like feeling or tempo for older pieces that change, and often conductors will slightly alter dynamics so that certain details stand out where applicable, or that certain notes blend where they should be blending. A good conductor will have a very in-depth understanding of the specific piece being performed, and will (hopefully) attune the ensemble to the composers intentions, based on the composers writings and aesthetic ideas and the information included in the score.
Dominic Martinez
>/his/ is laughing at us again
Andrew Lewis
also, consider any time you've heard a non-classical album that you thought could have sounded better, even though you liked the composition.
Adrian Brooks
Best recordings of the Beethoven symphonies?
Chase Lewis
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Jack Roberts
Compositions for this feel?
Alexander Powell
this
and fricsay's 9th
Camden Mitchell
they dont mention Sup Forums or /classical/ at all in that thread though, and no one is even denouncing classical music.
Angel King
>this new
Thomas Butler
Some composers played their own pieces and left recordings: Kurt Weill, Benjamin Britten, John Adams, etc. Some older pieces have specific recordings that are considered the best of the best like Beethoven's 9th by Furtwangler. You just have to browse and try to get a feeling for what is good and what is bad.
Levi Scott
Oh no. A bunch of college age commies are laughing at us. Whatever will we do?
Caleb Roberts
Usually when someone posts that image and that text, the thread is at least making fun of Sup Forumss taste. I've been here for a couple years and that usually the case.
Really an unecessary usage of the crying feelguy image
Nicholas Lopez
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Tyler Jones
>млк he's not a communist
Brayden Walker
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Nicholas Cruz
name the composer most beloved by plebs
Zachary Reed
schnittke
Hunter Cooper
>Is this really a problem? Or, is it that there really isn't that much leeway in how a piece is played and I can not worry about it too much?
There is a fucking TON of leeway for performing pieces, I have been turned off of pieces many times by listening to bad recordings the first time I listened to them,
although I have developed the ability to detect whether the piece or the performance is bad generally.
Carter Flores
chopin
Andrew Barnes
post musicians with great facial aesthetics
Brandon Walker
Van Beethoven
Mozart
no
Blake Ramirez
this
Ian Jackson
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Jaxon Murphy
Chopin
Hunter Bennett
Hans Zimmer, Ennio Morricone, Rachmaninoff, Philip Glass et cetera.
They can't love beethoven or chopin simply because they can't understand them and their context properly.
Christian Campbell
Classical is gay and dead grandma.
Charles Scott
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Christopher Reyes
>mostly made by and enjoyed by straight normies
>still alive and kicking, many new works being written and recorded every year
You opinion makes you look pretty stupid friendo
Dominic Allen
nah plebs can love chopin and beethoven plenty. Maybe not late beethoven, but early and middle period is literally radioclassical.
Jonathan Mitchell
Pleb detected
Josiah Jones
>radioclassical
RYM pls go.
Threadly reminder that Chopin is a master of counterpoint and underrated.
Chase Wright
Chopin is shit, deal with it
Nolan Cook
The only thing shit here is your taste.
Luke Roberts
What do you guys think about Gorecki?
Also I'd be really thankful whether any kind user has a link for his 3rd symphony.
Owen Brown
Nvm the archive's up for some reason and I picked it up there
Also what's your opinion on Colin Stetson's "reimagining"?
Michael Perez
>Van Beethoven
Beethoven was Belgian? I never knew that.
Julian Turner
>name the composer most beloved by plebs
tchaikovsky and rachmaninov.
Asher Kelly
his father or grandfather was flemish i think.
Charles Howard
Beethoven was actually of African decent.
Aaron Cooper
It's your fault, user
Asher Moore
> Beethoven was actually of African decent.
True
Jackson Rivera
When I first learned about John Cage I thought he was like Duchamp but the more I learn about him the more I think he was just fucking around
Is he really trying to have a substantial message about art/music/etc or was he just a meme master
Cameron Hall
He was actually pretty good besides that cringey 4'33".
Sebastian Jenkins
I have no musical training or expertise of any kind. In fact I can say with honesty that I know less about music than anyone in the world.
With that in mind I can't properly articulate in any defined terms what it is I like about Iannis Xenakis. Someone wanna help me out?
Luke Reyes
He was simply shit
>He was actually pretty good
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Brody Campbell
Meh. I like some of his stuff. To each his own.
Jordan Sanders
>tfw you wonder how many great works languish in obscurity because they lack attribution
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Leo Young
Fuck you
Owen Perez
>tfw Karajan was a bottom
Aaron Turner
How was the fist night lads? I thought it's pretty gud
Nathan Lopez
I need more MEGA links, drop em here lads
Noah Jackson
stupid nazi fuck
Landon Lopez
B*ch
Jeremiah Sanchez
Actually of swampian descent.
Joshua Wilson
chopin
Jason Jackson
hello phams
does anyone know who was that director that never waived his arms and barely made any body movements or facial expressions? It looked as if he was trying to direct the orchestra by using his mind powers.
What was his name?
Camden Watson
Karajan?
Andrew Gutierrez
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Ryan Green
How do I look like this?
Ryder Lewis
Brody Scott
cage is amazing even though his music isn't the best. What it means that it exists is a lot more important than what it sounds like!
Listen to his conversations with morton feldman on youtube
Connor Hill
Get more absurd, fool.
Jayden Wright
his music is incredibly mathematical. He uses statistics, stochastics(randomness), sieve patterns, golden section relationships etc...so if are attracted to that sort of thing maybe that's why!
Brody Johnson
>le rong generation
Jose Bennett
Tonal harmony has a higher place in your parametric hierarchy, therefor it's difficult for you to enjoy a piece of music that is about other things such as intervalic relationships, timbral shifts, rhythmic development etc...
Kevin Martin
Handel
Kevin Bennett
I think you may be on to something here
Oliver Reed
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Wyatt Roberts
think about it for a second.
what i'm saying is that what he did for music is a lot more important than the fact I don't like to listen to his music that often. Some of my favorite composers were super influenced by him, myself included.
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Ethan Evans
>implying pre-contemporary era didn't have atonal music
>implying atonal music wasn't already prominent in the Baroque
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Ayden Flores
Haha yeah and that's why Bartok is so good right because he used golden ratio in his music? Haha DAE smarter than everyone else because you understand the irrelevant and unnecessary mathematical references that the composers made in a vain attempt to make their music seem more sophisticated than it actually is?
Adrian Jackson
The concepts that I mentioned are not "references" they are literally the material he used to compose his pieces. I only mentioned it because he asked "I like Xenakis but I don't know why." I'm not saying that's the only reason to like a piece of music.
Like music for what ever reason you want, but someone who likes math/architecture specifically will probably like Xenakis more than someone who doesn't.
Wyatt Peterson
>i myself am among my favorite composers
lol classicalfags
Jack Lopez
it's a troll, don't bother
Robert Bell
Fucking retard.
Cameron Johnson
No, I meant I'm influenced by cage not that I'm my favorite composer. Sorry for the unclear grammar.
Ryder Green
I listened to it and liked it a lot
but I think it finished way too long after the end
Aaron Turner
Bump
Austin Watson
>Atonal
>Clearly has a key center
>"in B minor"
>"in D major"
maybe you should learn what atonal actually means