What's the big deal over her?

what's the big deal over her?

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She's a meme that's it

Grimes:
>singer
>songwriter
>producer
>sound engineer
>lyricist
>live performer
>visual artist
>music video director
>poet
>musical artist
>musician
>music maker
>lyrist
>lyricswriter
>songbird
>songsinger
>troubadour
>music player
>player
>actor
>actress
>painter
>artist
>music writer
>melodist
>composer
>artiste
>dancer
>danseur
>model
>hoofer
>virtuoso

Pretty much the complete artist.

Probably this: I guess people are paid somehow to shill. We haven't had a jazz thread for a while now and when we do, it dies it the same day. Good thing that Grimes and Kpop threads are up and running every single day and with 200+ replies.

I don't care about kpop, but Grimes is way more interesting than those insufferable jazz threads. Jazz is boring and soulless, deal with it. People find Grimes relatable, that's why they talk so much about her.

Waifufags are just pathetic weeaboos.

And another one: I think you understand now.

Anyone can call themselves all of those things and half ass it like she's doing. In this day in age, being a multi-instrumentalist and artist isn't a big deal because things have become easier to create.

And more importantly - mediocrity has become prevalent. Doesn't seem to concern many people though.

Visions is pretty decent and has two great singles. that's it.

>being a multi-instrumentalist and artist isn't a big deal because things have become easier to create.
Grimes is also a producer, a music video director, a dancer, a visual artist.

>things have become easier to create
Only apparently. But actually the instruments are almost the same as before. And to properly use a DAW like Ableton Live isn't exactly a walk in the park. You need to learn a lot in order to make good music. Millions of artists but few good enough and very few amazing artists.

(You)

The whole album is great. You should listen to it more than once.

if you make a single MV you're already a producer, a mv director and a visual artist

just move your body during it and you're also an actor/dancer

so tough

Almost every single pop ''artist'' isn't and artist in a true sense and the music is mediocre. I don't consider making drum loops on a PC a virtue or a redeeming quality of a musician.

>ignorant about some respected jobs
If you think it's that easy, why don't you make a MV? Let's see what you got.

>Director

"I want you to go over there and do this shit. Oh and you, I want you to go over there and do that shit."

>Editor

Buy FinalCut and splice scenes together. I had one class in college, shit is easy including syncing video with sound.

>Art Direction

"I want to have these people dancing and shit."

>Additional animator

Basically standing behind the ACTUAL animator and saying she likes it.

Is she was DoP, that be a different story. But she's not because that actually takes skill and knowledge. She took the parts where she just guides people and tells them what to do.

i do enjoy it and have listened to it a bunch. it's a solid 7, just not worth spamming her mug all day everyday for.

Give me the budget 4AD is giving Grimes and I'd be up for it. The thing is, the MV isn't even that spectacular. None of her videos are. They are shrouded by weird design, fashion and effects just to make it look more complex.

Go watch some Michel Gondry.

>If you think it's that easy, why don't you make a MV?
it is
i can literally record the wall of my living room and call it a MV (or even a movie - see Wavelength). then i would also be a respected artist because it would be so deep

you're not living in 1967 anymore pal. anyone can be a photographer. anyone can be a director. anyone can be a musician. there's nothing impressive about being those things. you know what's impressive? being a GOOD musician, being a GOOD director, being a GOOD artist. none of those things apply to grimeth though.

Music isn't a visual art. When people tried making it visual or pictorial, we all know what happened.

Lmao you're literally just grasping at straws

>grimesfags are this stupid

David Lynch. Brilliant films, gorgeous artist, and his albums, while they aren't too good, they actually have some merit. He has even exhibited numerous paintings and artpieces.

Now that's an artist.

I can guarantee you that it's more than a 7.

She never had the big bugdets of Michel Gondry. Have some perspective.

Brilliant example. But hey, guess who you're talking to? Probably to people that think Transformers is the greatest movie ever made.

she's pretty cute in her nardwuar interview

i dont think grimes fans would like transformers

they probably think blue is the warmest colour is a masterpiece though

No. You're mad because he's pissing on your favorite genre, jazz. Admit it, jazz = pointless notes.

I know what you want:
(You)

>I can guarantee you that it's more than a 7
>thinking his personal opinion of his waifu's album is the objective rating

>Admit it, jazz = pointless notes.
you're only proving my point further. Just stop posting. Or at least fuck off to your containment thread

I wouldn't know what her fans would like. I was making a comparison. They're not able to differentiate between a mediocre and a great musician.

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You say that like she can take a music video like this and have the patience and vision to painstakingly capture multiple frames of a digital clip and stack them onto each other...and that's only for one second of a shot.

No way could she have the skill and eye to do that. Have some perspective on the creativity aspect of the craft.

Jazz sucks. You know that. Almost no one listens to that boring shit. Only pretentious jerks.

Oh boy, you really want all the:
(You)'s

Unfortunately, I think he was born during of after '96 and actually holds that opinion.

check

i wish death upon myself

I honestly think her fans are just suffering from mad cognitive dissonance and denial. For whatever reason they find her attractive and they've bought into the celebrity worship meme that the majority of the population has been suckered into. Because they love her as a person so much, they subconsciously convince themselves (against their better judgement) that her music is some masterpiece, despite its obvious medeocrity

You know nothing about music and you shouldn't be allowed to shit up this board by trying to discuss it here

im so sorry for your loss

>Because they love her as a person so much, they subconsciously convince themselves (against their better judgement) that her music is some masterpiece, despite its obvious medeocrity
Are you're trolling bro? The "medeocrity" is in your brain, NOT A FACT. What if I question your favorite artists (I'd say you don't really like their music), how would you feel, jerk?

Jazz is boring music for boring people.

I don't worship my favorite artists as people. I separate art from the artist because I actually care about music, not shallow celebrity culture

(You)

Some people think she is cute, she is basically American K - Pop

The Grimes fans worship her music, appearance and personality. All of these things. They love her music (which sounds really amazing) and they relate to her personality.

Just watch this video and you'll see why they love her so much: youtube.com/watch?v=YSWwVYuqsVM

Please tell me more how hard it is making drum loops on a PC. And what about live performances of contemporary music? Contemporary pop and other genres of mainstream music are not possible to be fully performed live. If you go to a concert of your favorite pop star - you're going to hear the same version of a song that you've heard on the album. And what's so bad about that? Let's hear:
youtu.be/JshARrVS_Q4?t=2m29s

There are no more record companies, but what he said is more relevant now then it has been ever before:
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Based zappa

>Please tell me more how hard it is making drum loops on a PC.
It's hard to make INTERESTING drum loops. Did you know what for her song Kill V. Maim she used over 50 drum tracks? Do you think that's easy? Also do you think she's making only drum loops? Her songs contain multiple layers of synth pads, synth riffs, basslines, backing vocals, vocals, guitars, all kinds of effects. Way more complex than your boring favorite acoustic or rock music.

>Contemporary pop and other genres of mainstream music are not possible to be fully performed live.
So fucking what? Do you go to concerts to have a good time or to analyse live performances? On Grimes' live performances, she sings, dances, plays the samplers (she triggers and manipulates samples), plays some synth melodies, plays some guitar, modifys various settings of her mixer, effects board and vocal pedal. This is a pretty complex process for just one person.

Actually, nevermind. You're the Frank Zappa obsessed guy. It's impossible to argue with a narrow minded prick like you.

(You)
How am I obsessed with Frank Zappa? His arguments are valid and you didn't refute any of them. You're just making ad hominem attacks instead of real arguments. If you bothered to watch this video: youtube.com/watch?v=zgVUei2853A , you would understand why I don't respect contemporary artists. I'm going to assume that you're not a musician. You know, those weird people who are actually good at what they do and don't use PC as their instrument of choice. If you were, you would be ashamed of what you're saying.

And are you the same guy that claimed he was a classical musician that went to a conservatory and praised mainstream pop music?

>you would understand why I don't respect contemporary artists
You sound like a grumpy old man: the new music sucks and music used to be better when I was young. This is bullshit. Grow up and open your mind.

Music changes. It's your fault if you're behind it.

I never said that.

I'm looking for great contemporary music and I've found it. I just don't think Nicki Minaj, Justin Bieber and Grimes are on that list.

>putting Grimes on the same list with those 2 hacks
Really? Try harder.

All three are mediocre or just plain bad, but you won't accept that.

>INTERESTING
>implying 4 chord verse-chorus pop songs are interesting

>All three are mediocre or just plain bad
I don't care about the other 2, but according to whom Grimes is mediocre or just plain bad? Because according to critics and most listeners of her music, she's at least good. So, where's your proof?

>implying Grimes made only 4 chord verse-chorus pop songs
>implying you can't make interesting music within this format
>implying you're not a snob

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PC generated drum beats... So revolutionary...

I've listened to pretty much all of her singles and all of art Angels. Every single one was a formulaic pop song

she's pretty meh. will be forgotten as a musician very quickly. if she wasn't an IRL version of a waifu to people on this board you wouldn't see any threads of her

Listeners of mainstream pop music actually like the music they're listening to, no matter how bland and unoriginal it sounds? Gee, who would've thought...

Grimes sounds like no one else

(You)

Grimes is nothing more than a product of her image. The way that she looks is the only reason why she's in the position that she's in now. Her music will ALWAYS be secondary to her appearance. Look how many music videos and photoshoots she's done. That's the only reason why people care about her. Just like any other pop star

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>Every single one was a formulaic pop song
Ha ha ha. Then name some similar songs, dude. Let's see if they're formulaic or not.

And on a side note, you didn't listen exactly to her weirder music. Something like:
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You Grimes haters are fucking pathetic. You say shit about her but you can't prove literally anything.

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Just fast forward this video and compare. It's all formulaic and for a reason, without you acknowledging it.

>You Grimes haters are fucking pathetic

A waifufag nitpicking three tracks from a girl who even claimed herself she doesn't know how to play music says people who recognize that a monkey can make the music she plays are pathetic.

She's an incredibly talented musician/polymath with a taste for creating highly subversive pop-accessible art. People like that don't come around very often.

(You)

>Her music will ALWAYS be secondary to her appearance.
Ha ha ha. There are MILLIONS of beautiful girls in the world (many, more beautiful than Grimes), but who's paying attention to them? Beauty doesn't bring you great music reviews. People are listening to music, not images. Also you haters criticized heavily EXACTLY her appearance, and now you're saying that her appearance > her music? What a bunch of deluded hypocrites. I spit on your faces.

>Look how many music videos and photoshoots she's done.
Grimes needs to put some food on her table, like anyone else. With so much music piracy she needs to make some money. Touring isn't as profitable as it seems for indie artists like her.

You're confused. Stop consuming drugs. For your own good.

You don't understand that there's music outside your comfortable she'll of ignorance. Like I said before, all of her songs follow a cookie cutter verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus pop formula. They're all 3-5 minutes long, they never deviate from a basic major or natural minor key, they all follow a steady 4/4 kick-snare rhythm, and they all recycle the same 3 or four chord progressions. Literally every song on the radio does these things.

Agree.

Don't mean to bash you, but you sound completely ignorant.

She's making money from shows, probably more than the photoshoots and fashion promotion. Touring is EXACTLY how you make money as a musician, especially when her label pays some expense.

And you really think her beauty or lack thereof isn't recognized because "there are millions of [other] beautiful girls in the world"? Dude, the girl looks unique, it's not her beauty that attracts the attention, it's her weird image and "different" looks that make people interested in her, especially Tumblr.

Implying anyone who isn't a musician would even know what chords and chord progressions are and how they relate to music. It's really sad to see, who are we ''arguing'' with.

To see how wrong you are:
>Be a Body starts with a jarringly disconnected IV - V - III progression wherein the III is actually a momentary dip into the relative major key's I (aka a I of III) thereby falsely leading the listener to believe that the song is in a major key (an effect further emphasized by spelling the III(I) chord in 1st inversion putting the incalcitrant major third of the chord at the bottom ). It's only when the true bass line comes in that the true Eb minor base of the rest of the song is revealed.

Someone analyzed her song Be a Body. This is clearly not your standard pop song. I think you didn't even listen to her discography. You also seem to hate the whole pop music genre. Are you a jazz fan (more notes > less notes)? Also what do you think about the simplistic Kraftwerk (pretty similar to Grimes in terms of rhythm and melodies)?

You just proved his point. You listen to music - you don't watch it. There are other mainstream pop stars that look better than her for some people. Does that make them good musicians? Does the number of 14 year old girls liking your music actually make your music good? I know people are obsessed with her: youtube.com/watch?v=WA4iX5D9Z64, but is she any better than Grimes? Her songs are also formulaic, she's also playing it safe with three chords and that's about it. It's all about the image and looks and not about art and music.

>Don't mean to bash you, but you sound completely ignorant.
You are.

>She's making money from shows, probably more than the photoshoots and fashion promotion. Touring is EXACTLY how you make money as a musician, especially when her label pays some expense.
I said "Touring isn't AS profitable as it SEEMS for indie artists like her". I didn't say she doesn't make any money from touring. Read again, ffs. She adds more money from photoshoots.

>And you really think her beauty or lack thereof isn't recognized because "there are millions of [other] beautiful girls in the world"? Dude, the girl looks unique, it's not her beauty that attracts the attention, it's her weird image and "different" looks that make people interested in her, especially Tumblr.
I meant that no one cares about millions of other beautiful girls because they don't have the Grimes' talent in art. You must create something special and unique to gain REAL attention. No one would care about Grimes if her music would be bad. Period.

You are literally retarded. I said her image, not her beauty. People don't like her because she's the most beautiful, they like her because she's the quirky tumblr-core artsy fashionista. She dresses and acts in an aesthetically pleasing way and that's what people like about her
>hurr she has purple hair she's so artistic
And stop falling back on the music critic argument. I know just as many critics who dislike her as do like her. Plus either way music critics are not reliable, and the fact that you're basing your taste on what they say only proves that you don't know enough about music to form your own opinions. Pitchfork especially is laughably bad and corrupt

Pic related

>The video’s craziest formal experiment is its play with aspect ratios and visual frames. It’s a similar experiment that we saw in Beyonce’s Lemonade, but the Boucher siblings bump up the experiment to a psychedelic extreme. The video flickers through different aspect ratios, beat by beat, and the music video’s visual climax shows one shot couched in four other shots, like Russian dolls, and each one of the shots is rich with color and movement. It’s visual anarchy.
>This music video just has too many cinematic ideas to absorb in one viewing. They’re like quarters spilling out of a slot machine. But Claire Boucher is a girl who exudes such powerful confidence in herself that she doesn’t even care if you notice the thousands of ideas that are whirring in her head. She doesn’t need that kind of validation. She just cares about having fun with her medium.
dailycal.org/2016/05/11/grimes-new-music-video-is-top-notch-experimental-cinema/

Wow, one song from her discography doesn't follow the same, safe I-IV-V chord progression? Why didn't she continue not playing it safe?

>Parroting what other people say even when you have no clue what you're talking about
Even if that one song has an unusual chord progression, it still follows every single other criterion I used to describe her music (and all other pop)

You know what this review of yours reminds me of?
Patrick Bateman: Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as, uh, anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your ass. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and, uh, Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
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Nope - De Facto Classical Musician would be me, and fwiw I actually matriculated from two classical music conservatories - one in the U.S. and one in central Europe.

The writer sounds inexperienced and makes it sound more glamorized technicality wise than it really is.

You think the author was talking about a video like this: youtube.com/watch?v=LIazGRvkkHw Where the music video is actually in-sync with the music rather than just randomly using multi-shot framing and transitions everywhere.

I just watched the video, the only thing that is "visual anarchy" is the set design, which she didn't design herself..

>After all, if Grimes’ video for “California” is any sort of prophetic vision, then maybe the most exciting cinematic innovations will no longer be made in feature films.

Please...please tell me his kidding. Please tell me this is a joke...

>arguing about music videos and appearance
Who cares? this is a music board and her music is generic trash

>>actor
>>actress
Kek'd

You are a retarded faggot.

You said before:
>The way that she looks is the only reason why she's in the position that she's in now.
This is incredibly ignorant and stupid.

>People don't like her because she's the most beautiful, they like her because she's the quirky tumblr-core artsy fashionista. She dresses and acts in an aesthetically pleasing way and that's what people like about her
Are you implying that people (I mean most people) care more about "tumblr-core artsy fashionista" than her music? Are you a retard? Is she a musician or a model? Also don't you think that image AND beauty are strongly linked?

>And stop falling back on the music critic argument. I know just as many critics who dislike her as do like her. Plus either way music critics are not reliable, and the fact that you're basing your taste on what they say only proves that you don't know enough about music to form your own opinions. Pitchfork especially is laughably bad and corrupt
It's the consensus, you idiot. It's not about a music critic that loves Grimes, it's about MOST music critics that love Grimes. Check out her reviews if you don't believe me. Their opinion matter, not yours or mine. I could say that Grimes is the best musician ever, but how could I prove that? That's why I relied on external factors: music critics. By the way, I would say that Grimes is great even if all critics would hate her.

>Are you implying that people (I mean most people) care more about "tumblr-core artsy fashionista" than her music? Are you a retard? Is she a musician or a model
>Their opinion matter, not yours or mine.
Is this post satirical?

Original author of that bit of harmonic analysis reporting in - there is absolutely nothing groundbreakingly 'unusual' about the chord progressions in 'Be A Body' - which is the whole point. The genius in a song like 'Be A Body' is how it takes 'regular' sounding musical elements from different families (in this case, modally related keys) and juxtaposes them against each other to create interest. Unlike writing something in two completely unrelated keys to ape the impression of sonic interest (hello, Charles Ives - my favorite 20th century composer btw) to get the same effect with two friendly keys takes real skill.

>Is she a musician or a model?
Look at any media coverage that she has ever received over the entire course of her career, and answer that question yourself.

I hope you're being satirical. How can a person like Charles Ives and mainstream mediocre Top 40 pop stars?

Quit being an egotistical twat and tell me why it's still in 4/4 with a metronomic tempo, a generic kick snare drum beat, a verse-chorus structure, a 3-5 minute duration, and the use of only 4 chords. If she's such a genius composer then why is she following the same boring formula as every other pop musician?