So, why exactly ARE Americans so autistic with guns?
Whenever I try to ask them they literally just go "Because it's FREEDOM!!!!!" and the discussion just doesn't go anywhere. It's like they have no real understanding of life anywhere else in the world.
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Related question: why is it that Americans take Ayn Rand seriously? Because they are really the only nation that does to a significant degree.
Trying this hard
I really genuinely am not baiting here.
Because unlike Canada, whose constitution grants "life, liberty and Security of the Person" vs the US which guarantees "life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness".
If you think we should all be utilitarian and defer to the majority, go ahead, but some people value individual rights more. Even stupid ones. Who are you to criticize?
TL, DR
Imagine half a billion tards screaming "fuck you I wont do what you tell me"
>Who are you to criticize?
Because, a few hundred years later, it's resulted in a very odd, very insular and not particularly good society that, for the most part, barely even considers the possibility that it is not the best in the world.
It's weird and, unlike Japan, they're unaware of it for the most part.
I just want to know how.
There, you just described it. Imagine Nega-Japan. Loud, disrespectful, individual oriented society.
One is the world superpower, the other is filled with geriatrics and virgins.
Putting your society above yourself is not a sentiment followed by everyone.
Also, how about this: The US is a country in its Teenage Years. The UK is an old military vet getting robbed by his asian caretaker.
I forgot where I was going with this, but anyways. Cheers.
Why are Brits autistic with their monarchy?
The answer is the same: Tradition.
Yes, but at least Japan has the excuse of a 180 degree flip in its entire society TWICE in the last 150 years.
Australia's a young country, Canada's a young country but they're nowhere near a weird as the US.
But we're not in the slightest.
They are in the Northern Ireland but that's the result of insane British nationalism and the Troubles.
Canada is 100 years younger than the US.
How's that relevant?
Then why not just abolish it if it has no use anymore? It seems quite archaic.
That's 5 generations to change and ingrain things in society.
Canada as a concept is also much younger than the US, which was born out of a culmination of enlightenment ideals over 2 centuries.
More hassle then it's worth, really. But it'll probably go after Elizabeth die.
Most people are just kinda apathetic toward the monarchy. But A LOT Americans are insane with supporting gun ownership. Really, really genuinely emotionally involved.
I don't see how that changes the fact that American society is very peculiar to America.
>Because, a few hundred years later, it's resulted in a very odd, very insular and not particularly good society
As opposed to yours, right?
Fuck off m8
Yanks are basically retards. They think America is literally center of the world.
Some people think America is most greatful country. But it is made by a few immigrants. Most yanks are as retard as sandniggas.
>But it'll probably go after Elizabeth die.
I highly doubt it desu
>But a LOT of Americans are insane with supporting gun ownership.
Not really, gun nuts are a small, but vocal minority of gun owners. Most people don't care either way if you have a gun. They do believe that you should have the right to own one for the purpose of self defense.
You guys have a horrible quality of life for the working class. And none of the working class seem to be particularly upset over this fact.
Plus the insane religiousness.
Actually, us being nega-japan kinda explains a weird longstanding fascination that our countries have had with each other.
>Plus the insane religiousness.
>this fucking meme
End yourself
>They think America is literally center of the world.
It actually is though you stupid nip.
The entire world economy is based on America as the center.
SHALL
Keeps the King of England off our backs.
If you really want to know, ask /k/.
t. English teacher in japan
t. enlightened individual
>I highly doubt it desu
Well, more like public opinion will start to shift after she dies.
>They do believe that you should have the right to own one for the purpose of self defense.
See, the fact you don't even recognise the prevalence of that opinion being very peculiar to the US and still quite supportive of guns just illustrates my point.
not the only one, unfortunately
Because it was explicitly built off the ideal of personal freedom and individual responsibility that didn't exist in other countries at the time.
Horrible compared to Scandinavia sure. Don't kid yourself into thinking being working class in the UK is much better m8.
>Most people don't care either way if you have a gun. They do believe that you should have the right to own one for the purpose of self defense.
This. /thread
As to why we're so adamant on that right, however, is our history with things like the American Revolution and the Wild West cementing guns as a necessary means of defense in the public consciousness. Some leftists argue that we should repeal the 2nd amendment, but only a few people take that seriously.
>You guys have a horrible quality of life for the working class
Again, as opposed to you?
America really the only place in the world, other than Saharan Africa, where charismatic Christianity has any kind of following.
And even then, that's only because Americans exported it to Africa.
*cuts steak with fork*
>it's resulted in a very odd, very insular and not particularly good society
That's the fault of the Fair Housing Act, not guns
You must also take into account that we're the dominant power of our continent, with only two, irrelevant, land neighbors. This geographical isolation results in such peculiarities as religion, guns, sports, etc.
>The entire world economy is based on America as the center.
Meh, It's ok.
Yanks are retards is unchangeable fact though.
>The entire world economy is based on America as the center
>See, the fact you don't even recognise the prevalence of that opinion being very peculiar to the US and still quite supportive of guns just illustrates my point.
The fact that you don't recognize that not accepting that self-defence is a fundamental right is highly peculiar
Except that you're full of shit
>global trade doesn't depend on the US using carrier battlegroups to keep shipping lanes open
Retard
How is that peculiar? It's something that's an extremely important idea even among Marxists. You do know in the UK it used to be required to train with and own a longbow right?
>Because it was explicitly built off the ideal of personal freedom and individual responsibility that didn't exist in other countries at the time.
Except I'm talking about current American society today.
France, Germany, Britain they all massive reforms in the 1800s built around the Enlightenment and none of them ended up like the US today.
>Don't kid yourself into thinking being working class in the UK is much better m8.
Right now, yeah, but that's mainly because the Tories are in power.
The working class has had a shit time of it in the US for decades. I want to say maybe since the 60s? Or maybe since Nixon got in.
You mean evangelical Christians? Those exist everywhere m8. Go outside.
lol
>The working class has had a shit time of it in the US for decades. I want to say maybe since the 60s? Or maybe since Nixon got in
And I want to say that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
Yes.
We have a functioning healthcare system, despite the Tory's best efforts. We are entitled to at least two weeks paid vacation every year. We don't regard the Welfare system with fear and mistrust. We don't have shootings every other week.
>The fact that you don't recognize that not accepting that self-defence is a fundamental right is highly peculiar
It just so happens the vast majority of people in the vast majority of civilised societies agree with me.
>Except that you're full of shit
Hmm, yes you've totally convinced me lad.
I think frog had not better piss anyone off. It emphasizes on how pathetic you all are.
>We don't regard the Welfare system with fear and mistrust.
That's a BIG mistake.
>How is that peculiar?
Peculiar in that you don't really get this being the mainstream opinion anywhere else in the world.
>You do know in the UK it used to be required to train with and own a longbow right?
Key phrase being "used to". We also used to have feudalism.
In small numbers, sure, but they're far more prevalent in the US.
In fact, most other evangelical Christians outside the US were converted by Americans. Mormons, for example.
>Canada
>irrelevant
You also "used" to be a superpower
>We have a functioning healthcare system
So do we. Because the working class gets insurance through their company. The poor get healthcare through their state. The people who don't have insurance are the people who are too stupid to look for it. You're a retard if you think that everyone is going bankrupt because they go to the hospital for a broken toe
>We don't regard the Welfare system with fear and mistrust
That's why London is being overrun by Pakis who refuse to work
>we don't have shootings every other week
>independent.co.uk
Right, you just have mass stabbings
As said before ITT, geographical insularity leads to cultural insularity, leading to such cultural peculiarities as these.
>And I want to say that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
mmm, yes, very convincing lad, very strong argument. You clearly know your rhetoric.
He has such a friendly demeanor for a leader, but he's a SJW retard unfortunately.
>It just so happens the vast majority of people in the vast majority of civilised societies agree with me.
It just so happens that this is why the Jews couldn't defend themselves against the state
>Hmm, yes you've totally convinced me lad.
No u. Provide evidence or shut the fuck up
Well I guess that works as an explanation. You could also apply it to Japan.
>The US is a country in its Teenage Years. The UK is an old military vet getting robbed by his asian caretaker.
Analogy doesn't make any sense.
UK: created in 1707
USA: created in 1776
yeah man let's get technical
Firearms won't defend Americans against the State. The State's forces are much better armed, if they want to arrest you then you're fucked
>So do we.
You really, really don't. Pic related.
Your other points aren't really worth a response.
Indeed; I'm not necessarily defending a couple of these quirks, but it's what happens when you have an entire continent virtually all to yourselves.
Technically, the UK was formed in 1801. But in any case England and Scotland each go back to the Middle Ages, and the US is just now in its age of power.
>yeah man let's get technical
It's not a technicality. If the USA is in its "teenage years" then the UK is a "20-something"
>Technically, the UK was formed in 1801.
No, it was 1707
>It just so happens that this is why the Jews couldn't defend themselves against the state
Daily reminder Hitler actually loosened gun control in Germany.
>France, Germany, Britain they all massive reforms in the 1800s built around the Enlightenment and none of them ended up like the US today.
That's because the old ideals of centralized power never fully disappeared. Hell, much of the ruling class in European countries is the same as it's always been. David Cameron is descend from nobility for example. The US hasn't ever felt a need to change those ideals.
>We have a functioning healthcare system, despite the Tory's best efforts
The NHS is better than our system but that's not saying much. There's still massive inefficiencies and waste, as well as corruption regarding who gets care first.
>We are entitled to at least two weeks paid vacation every year.
Vacation time in the US varies by state.
>We don't regard the Welfare system with fear and mistrust
"Working class" people shouldn't be on welfare to survive. We have the same problem in the US where people who need a job also need welfare to supplement their income.
You're also ignoring the fact that a lot of industries in the UK that were destroyed following Thatchers reforms have led to generational poverty and alcoholism in many towns. Some municipalities in Scotland have a life expectancy of 63 years.
None of that has anything to do with the OP btw, if you want to jerk your country off at least do it in a way that makes it obvious you're shitposting.
>The State's forces are much better armed
There are three million members of the armed forces and somewhere around 100 million gun owners in the US. I'll take those odds
>muh meme picture
Right, because it's not as though I have to deal with this shit every day. I'll go ahead and trust a Brit to tell me about my country
Japanon has some nerve even after double nuke
>de.wikipedia.org
>From 1933, the Weimar Arms Act and the data collected for its implementation were directly from the Nazis used to the disarming Jews . Their reliability was deprived regional, their weapons acquisition certificates were confiscated, their homes searched, seized the weapons. Suspected unauthorized possession of arms led to raids.
>There are three million members of the armed forces and somewhere around 100 million gun owners in the US. I'll take those odds
What makes you think the 100 million gun owners would be allowed to act as a collective? If a movement started then the State would go in hard and arrest the leaders. The USA's police are much more heavily armed than any European country, with military grade stuff in some cases. The US armed forces wouldn't even be necessary
You have a child-like and naive idea of what resistance against the State would be like.
>"Working class" people shouldn't be on welfare to survive.
Nobody elsewhere in the world says they should. Most people in the UK on unemployment benefits are off them again in less than 6 months.
>None of that has anything to do with the OP btw, if you want to jerk your country off at least do it in a way that makes it obvious you're shitposting.
I'm not jerking off my country, I think Britain is a shithole. I'm just trying to show you that you've been jerking off over your own country for so hard and so long you don't even realise you're doing it anymore.
Why should someones right be taken away just because the ability to exercise it successfully is unlikely? Should we all just let the government break down our doors and rape us then?
>Should we all just let the government break down our doors and rape us then?
Why are you so sure they want to?
Keep on begging in the outside. Or you can't eat any foods. I heard from your mom.
I don't give a shit about whether your rights should be taken away or not. I never suggested you should change your gun laws. Strawmen don't make you clever.
My reply was to a post that implied firearms are necessary because they allow you to defend yourself against the State. They don't. That's a fantasy.
It's perfectly valid for you to want to own firearms, but don't use those stupid arguments to make the point because it's dumb as hell
>What makes you think the 100 million gun owners would be allowed to act as a collective?
Why would they have to? All it takes is one of every 100 gun owners to kill a soldier and that's already a third of them gone. Not to mention that only 20% of those 3 million soldiers are actually combatants, the rest are in support roles and wouldn't be the ones going house to house in order to take people's guns
Were you trying to be retarded, or do you actually not know what armed resistance is
Was praising your courage actually, burgers should all die. But i can understand if you get triggered by nuking jokes.
Americans ITT.
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I'm not jerking it off at all actually, I'm trying to explain why guns are so important with making it seem like some inane belief.
I don't own a gun, probably never will. I think some people aren't fit to own a weapon and that guns in inner cities need to be controlled. I still don't think normal people should be disarmed.
Because they've done it in the past? There's a very fine line between order and totalitarian oppression and we're precariously close to crossing it.
Protecting yourself against the state can mean many things, not just the army.
>US armed forces
>can't even beat barefoot Vietnam peasants or Iraqi durkas in a guerilla-type war
>will totally crush 100 million armed Americans though!!!
I basically hate gypsy. Knahmean?
Brit, I'm going to give it to you straight. Don't bother arguing with American gun owners. There is just a culture of gun fetishisation and worship that developed out of the colonial and wild west dependency on them.
I wouldn't even mind people allowed to own guns, but Americans are so autistic about them, it's not even funny.
BECAUSE IT'S FREEDOM.
PEPSI IS FOR COMMIES.
COCA COLA IS FOR REAL RED-BLOODED AMERICANS.
Fuck yeah.
*spits in a bucket and pumps shotgun*
Armed resistance is only successful when you have external professional military forces supporting you and putting pressure on the State you're fighting.
>All it takes is one of every 100 gun owners to kill a soldier and that's already a third of them gone.
You're a fucking idiot. Soldiers wouldn't even need to go near civilian gun-owners. If for some reason your police couldn't handle it they could just use drones.
Go watch some videos on YouTube and see what drones are doing to ISIS in Syria and Iraq. That's what your insurrection against the State would look like.
>I'm not jerking it off at all actually
You are a bit. But Americans as a whole absolutely are.
American society has had a dildo massaging its prostate so hard for so long it's forgotten life without it.
>There's a very fine line between order and totalitarian oppression and we're precariously close to crossing it.
When on earth has this happened in the US? How on earth do you believe it's happening now?
You are 100% percent a functioning democracy. Just because you don't like the people in power, it's not the result of sinister illegal kabal, it's because of political apathy and a very strong bipartisanship.
>Pepsi
>red, white and blue
>Coca-Cola
>red
???
The police aren't trained to deal with an organized resistance. They are only effective against disorganized and poorly armed criminals that they can respond to with overwhelming force.
Just look at what two mooks with body armor and AKs did in the North Hollywood shootout. The police barely fucking handled that.
They barely managed to get a foothold in Waco and ended up blundering the whole thing, and that's after they called in the FBI's heavy hitters. Officers still ended up dying as crazed cultists sprayed and prayed.
An organized militia of about platoon size would have zilch problem making an absolute joke out of America's police force. And there is nothing stopping an organized resistance from using chemical weapons and other nasty shit, seeing as it's not like any country is going to have the balls to support it until they look like the winner.
You have a child-like and naive idea of how effective those heavily armed police officers actually are.
>When on earth has this happened in the US? How on earth do you believe it's happening now?
Every nation has some national founding myth. The USA's national myth is that armed resistance of the American people delivered them freedom from tyranny. What actually happened is that one elite ruling class replaced another, only a small fraction of society got any freedom, and the armed resistance was heavily dependent on a powerful European coalition of France, Spain and the Netherlands.
But that is irrelevant because people believe the myth and the national myth is what shapes American society and the attitude of the people. The effect is that Americans are deeply sceptical of government and will happily hand power to other interest groups (like big corporations) rather than see the government have it. The gun and 2nd amendment is a symbolic of freedom via the national myth I just described, so there's an almost religious zeal to keep firearms easily available for everyone.
Too much Hollywood fantasies
>50s westerns
>60s cop movies
>70s vigilantes
>80s rambo crap
>90s gang crap
>00s wasteland and apocalypse
...
this
non-americans see american police using mraps and tacticool uniforms and think "oh wow they look super professional" but don't know jack shit about the training they receive.
for fucks sakes, their radio is stupidly easy to break. P25 is extremely susceptible to brute force intrusions, and american police ONLY use P25 for some stupid reason. Civilians have access to better radio encryption than our police do. Any retard with any knowledge of radios and some basic equipment can cut police communications extremely easily.
You do that and you've already crippled them heavily because they don't have a backup radio system. Emergency Services all use the same radios so its not like they can borrow other shit.
I also lol'd @ the idea of "arresting the leaders" to stop the movement.
You really have to ignore what is freedom to think like that. You also have to forget that freedom, of the armed kind, is the founding idea of America itself.
If civilian gun-owners manage to form an "organised resistance" then the militia becomes an enemy of the state and the federal government will smash it. What the hell are you going to do if some Reapers come by? You can't do anything.
It's not 1776, there will be no foreign help for your armed militia against the US government.
except most the commanders were american and most of the soldiers who died in america fighting you were also american
I think the implication is that America went full North Korea. Still, people have no idea how insane it is to fight a guerilla war. "Arresting the Leaders" is a fucking fantasy when the police are too scared to move on trap houses, let alone a pissed off militia with nothing to lose.
lol foreign entities would get involved in a heartbeat if civil insurrection on that scale happened in the us
>When on earth has this happened in the US?
Several times actually. Waco siege, Pinkertons, Battle of Blair Mountain...
>How on earth do you believe it's happening now?
Look at how the ATF has been reacting to potential terror threats and how Obama has passed legislation suspending the need for a warrant if the suspect is a "terrorist". Of which, btw, is a term they intentionally keep vague.
>Reapers
Because firing hellfire missiles into their own crowded cities is going to win them the war. You're a fucking idiot, a guerilla war is as much a war of the hearts and minds as it is a war of attrition. You start killing innocent first worlders like you do innocent third worlders, the EU and the East are going to start throwing sanctions at you faster than that missile hit the ground.
(Ignoring how fucking useless and easily counterable drones are to an educated populace with access to radios)
Also this. Oppressed Russian Minority(tm) Freedom Fighters would waste no time getting involved.
Uh huh. What about their supplies? Their training? French. Why couldn't the Royal Navy send reinforcements to North America? The Spanish and Dutch were sending an Armada to attack Great Britain and lots of the Navy had to stay home. The French further stretched British forces by attacking Brits in India at the same time. What about the funding for the rebels? Came from Europe. France bankrupted itself and it wasn't exactly a poor country.
All of that shit is why the American resistance succeeded. The professional military always wins unless there are other professional militaries working against it.
Sorry, no one's going to war against the US military to save some "armed militia" playing fantasy freedoms. Get a fucking grip, seriously.
>why do all X do Y?